Came across this poll and I don’t understand the 18-29 results given that I thought they voted for KO just a couple of years ago. Is this an outlier poll or did everyone get radicalized within like 2 years?
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Young people are getting dumber. Unironically that’s a fact – tiktok shortform content ruins their attention span, literacy is falling, ability to hold complex idea is basically nonexistent. The new generations are being raised to grow into a horrible disappointment that will piss away everything boomers and millenials have worked for.
I’d say that the reason why the youth support parties outside the PiS/PO two party system is because they lived through the many scandals of Pis and saw the Backtracking that Tusk and the Coalition did. This lack of faith in both parties is one of the reasons why Parties like Razem have gained so much support in recent times.
Social media as source of political information. Support based on memes and loud events – instead of actually understanding the policies and stances supported by the party they choose to support.
We live in era where cheap shots and ratio are more important than statesmanship and long term plans. Which means, for one – many more voters are “single issue voter”. And secondly – especially among the younger – a lot of voters are “fluid” and change who they are supporting very easily. Usually whoever makes most meme-able noise. Doesn’t matter if a politician is a total piece of shit – “I’ll vote for him because have you seen the video of him assaulting someone? Hilarious!”
In my opinion its due to a lot of right wing podcasts on the internet and generally the right wing politicians having more pronounced presence on the internet. A lot of people shrugged it off as just a phase, only for these kids to grow up and be able to vote now.
Another thing being a lot of young people seeing we are not in the best place in general, with rising unemployment, wages not rising to meet inflation etc. And these people just come up with “simple” solutions. Lowering taxes, banning foreign laborers, cutting public spending to lower the taxes. It gives people an outlet to be angry without questioning the establishment too much or aligning yourself with socialists who are portrayed as the devil in our collective unconcious due to generational trauma of living in poverty-stricken authoritarian regime using socialism as its slogan.
KO did nothing for 2 years and even then it was just ‘smaller evil’ 🤷♂️
It’s still very disappointing that so many support Konfa
The same thing that’s going on with youth in general it seems. The times are getting tough and barely anything is as good at giving simple answers for hard questions as the good old reactionary talking points.
I moved to Poland recently and I’m trying to understand what’s the political scene around here. Can someone give me a quick explanation of each of these parties and if I should be scared of one as an immigrant?
M23, We are extremely disappointed by the last 20 years of either PiS or PO ruling. Two parties listed in the top are two separate ways of hearing that disappointment.
No party represents the youth. Only old people.
Glad to see Razem at 2nd place, maybe there is at least a little bit of hope.
Both main parties have nothing to offer to young people. They’re full of old farts (I’m almost forty and I recognize all these faces from when I was watching TV as a kid) and all they ever talk about are problems of old people: retirements, health care. The solutions they have for problems of young people are laughable (like the gov subsidized housing loans that all they did was double price of homes, and they tried to do it second time).
Whatever you think of Konfa and/or Razem as parties, whatever you thing about their talking heads, they’re seen as the new alternative to the two parties that have been playing pingpong with polish politics since the end of PRL and young people see that it’s just a constant stagnation and corruption.
Are the new parties better? Probably not, but they’re at least aren’t the “same old” that’s been shitting on issues of the youth and catering to the elderly.
EDIT: Ok, I’m gonna repeat, because clearly this is going over the head of people: I’m describing why young people sway away from the current two party status quo and lean towards the “new” for what’s seen as both left and right wing alternatives. This is neither endorsement nor condemnation of these parties, as their actual merit is kind of irrelevant in this particular discussion.
Young people experienced the slacking and incompetence from both major parties and lack the tribelike attachment to them present in older voters so parties directly presenting themselves as being outside the system such as razem and konfa are way more appealing to them
Korwin adjacent parties always had biggest support among youngest voters, but situation got worse. There are multiple causes, but in my opinion the most important is that konfederacja have the best reach in tik-tok style social media. Additionally their rhetoric is nicely boosted by russian propaganda, which aims into weakening EU. Their propaganda is really successful overall, but it have the easiest way to reach youngest voters, who can’t remember how shitty everything was before accession.
Old ones are so corrupt that youngsters don’t want them for another 20 years
Social media happened
Ale pokolenie wyrosło.
Albo faszyści albo lewaczki
People are tired of PiS and PO. PiS is just PiS. PO promised a lot to young people and did almost nothing. “We got 30% of votes…”
Wasn’t konfederacja always popular among youth?
Because we are back to oral culture and populists are the masters of that. Virality, conflicts, quick wits, short memorable sophistry became more influential than careful analysis
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Who would have guessed that exploiting the young and giving them slim chances to improve their lives would turn them desperate enough to listen to populists slinging false promises to solve their issues.
**/s**
Its good to be conservative. Don’t push poland to woke…
Simple minds like simple solutions. They believe if they remove immigrants and gays, salaries rocket up, everyone get free home and nobody has to die ever.
I’m 26 and have no fucking clue. Possibly we are just stupid. Also 9% for Braun? Holy fucking shit.
I dunno cuz I’m a pole ( tho slightly under the voting threshold) and I don’t support konfederacja at all, tho po/ko and pis ain’t high up too
People are sick of pis and po
Brainwashing in social media, that’s what’s going on
Propaganda thru memes works well
Keep them polarised and radicalised
it’s called growing up and seeing the top 2 parties, both in their own ways, brought the country to shit (in my opinion po more than pis, but still, pis isn’t holy). people are starting to look for alternatives
Szykuje się nowy duopol
1.People from several years ago doesn’t fit this category anymore lol
2. KO had its chance, PiS had its chance, both parties are more fit for old people, young people try new alternatives (Konf over PiS and Razem over KO)
Seems to me like the regular “younger people tend to have more radical views” kind of situation
Firstly: youth is always most radicalized and lean into one of the “far” options; they are also always most anti-establishment
Secondly: surveys are worth shit, especially that far away from any elections
Thirdly: youth mostly don’t vote
Why suprise, young people has enough of KO-PIS quarrel, wasting money and not solving real problems.
Even with increase of minimal pay, Poland is around 26th place in purchasing power in Europe. Meaning if young people get his/her pay and pay rent, food and etc.(which costs are rising), they are not able to saving anything for future.
They are not able to purchase the new house/flat, if they don’t pay they won’t even see a doctor.
If you were a young person, do you think you would be happy.
Too much time spent in social media. Especially insta, tik-tok, twitter. It literally fries brain by amount of political propaganda.
PiS failed everyone, Tusk failed everyone. Can’t be surprised, really.
We are mad. I voted for KO. Got nothing good out of it. NOTHING. Gay marriage? Nope. Abortion? Nope. Better economy? Don’t notice it, don’t show me any stats, everything still feels expensive, still no prospects gmfor buying my apartment any time. Sure I could vote for Razem, as I did in the Presidential campaign, but now they have 2% so that’s of the list. I am not touching nowa lewica, they sold their ideals for well paid positions and did nothing good at all. I just want some change at this point. Any change
I’d say it’s the same mechanism as in the USA: a lot of young people got radicalized over the last few years
It’s pretty obvious that youth want to break the duopoly, also they tend to be more extremist so voting for either konfederacja or razem is to be expected
As somebody who is 17 and speaking out of my experience, I think that we’ve been pretty much raised around the scandals of both pis and po hence why neither of those 2 parties have a lot of support among teenagers. Out of the teenagers I know and some teenagers that I overheard when dining out I think we don’t really care much about politics.
Most of our decisions seem to be „per vibe”. Our views are still forming, we don’t really know what do we want but we scroll through social media, where really most of the videos are based on some form of criticizing other political parties and giving out simple solutions without really giving the ideas on how to execute those solutions.
In my opinion this is exactly why konfederacja has such high support among teens and young adults, their leader executes the whole social media spam perfectly, that you feel that weird relation with the leader
Another reason for that could be that politics became a taboo topic, something you should never be talking about, which limits our ability to learn some more about the very core thing that touches all of us.
The media also being very one-sided and all about scandals and sensations. One time with my friend we came across an article that mentioned how terrible president Nawrocki is and how he rejected the life-changing policies. So we were curious on what did he actually approve and not reject. It took us lots of google pages and guess what, we didn’t find a single article that would thoroughly explain policies approved by president Nawrocki.
they are not inside a reddit bubble lol
TikTok brainwashing generally. We need a new political party that will be an alternative to PoPiS, but that is actually normal, and not like Konfa – that would make their voters switch.
Konfederacja at the top 💔