Interesting how China and India are the only two civilizations to make it from 4000 years ago to now without pause.
Party-Currency-705 on
Can I get source? I can’t read it
mattivahtera on
Nice visual way of storytelling. A bit western/white point of view, but still nice.
SomewhatInept on
Had a copy as a kid. I think it would be a potentially interesting project to modernize it.
Remarkable-Ad-2967 on
I love this chart. I have it framed in my house super cool decor.
Sudija34 on
this belongs in r/propaganda
a_rabid_anti_dentite on
The eurocentrism is strong with this one. China, in particular, gets majorly shortchanged.
Short_Expression7748 on
Cool looking map but China gets the shaft in a major way (and for what it’s worth, I’m an Irish-American)
fernandomlicon on
South America -> Mexico
what?
also, mexico attacks the united states. i’m sorry bo, it was the other way around.
sheytanelkebir on
Why does it begin at 2000bc instead of 3500bc ? And why is Iraq split up across eras whilst other countries are showed as one throughout history ?
Creepy_Carry2247 on
That’s a piece of art
linkthesink on
R/civ
DoctorSox on
I’m not qualified to comment on much of this map, but as a Chinese historian, this chart is awful. Chinese power at many points in this history far surpassed anywhere else in the world, and Ming Dynasty China was even arguably the most powerful place in the history of the world until the British Empire.
GustavoistSoldier on
It’s an impressive chart, especially for 1931
CoconutBangerzBaller on
Interesting chart but this isn’t a map
SpideyWhiplash on
I’m impressed and want to Thank you.🫡 Your version is much clearer than the link version you included.
FireFangJ36 on
Rome and the Han Empire had nearly identical territories and influence, yet on this map, Rome appears to be several times wider than the Han.
Larry_McDorchester on
Love it. I used to have that hung in my classroom
mursemanmke on
Grossly Eurocentric. Check out Useful Charts on YouTube for better info
FireFangJ36 on
This image seems to suggest that the Mongols overthrew the Ming Dynasty, rather than the other way around.
Very interesting. Would sure love to find something like this to frame and mount.
UniqueNameTakenSad on
how is china so small here lol
i know i know it’s outdated but damn
Mrtayto115 on
bondsthatmakeusfree on
“World War of 1914-18”
r/agedlikemilk
ok-milk on
This is very much a post-colonial lens on history. South America, a whole ass continent filled with people for 20k years is vastly underrepresented.
The Mayan empire goes back as far as 2000 BC and it is thought that the Inca empire was as large if not larger than any contemporaneous empires at its peak. Charles Mann’s 1491 and 1493 are excellent books for anyone that wants an updated version of North and South American history.
240223e on
> relative power
how about a more objective metric like population.
GalacticEmperor10 on
This is not an objective depiction of world history. Rather, it reflects world history through the lens of a Western perspective.
The map entirely omits several major empires from the Deccan region of India, including the Satavahanas, Vakatakas, Rashtrakutas, Yadavas, and Marathas, without any mention of them. Additionally, the term Aryan invasion is inaccurate.
It was a migration in northwest India that had minimal impact on most of India. Genetic studies have demonstrated that Steppe ancestry is present at very low levels in the majority of the Indian population.
Finally, it is misleading to associate Hinduism exclusively with the Aryans a term that is itself a modern construct since the religion originated and evolved indigenously in India.
The vast majority of modern day Hindus possess Ancient Ancestral South Indian (AASI) ancestry, with roots tracing back approximately 60,000 years in the Indian subcontinent.
volitaiee1233 on
Have this on my wall
protonic_ranger on
India and China get quite shortchanged here. Both had at times, the most wealthy and powerful empires in the world
Background_Curve_526 on
I don’t like this map because in a way it overvalues many civilizations and leaves many others behind. Many of them were very powerful and are not even reflected on the map
ShoRevolutionary on
Very Eurocentric
hairlessing on
Persian/Iran was there for 4000 years, and we are not just a terrorist. I’m sad!
Madmaxman88 on
The Mongolians must be gearing up for wave 3 by this point!
Evol_extra on
Russia in 1100 is diabolical. Also funny how Moscow begin its rise under mongol rule, now they are very european and slavic state for themselves.
Rygel17 on
That’s incredible
heraticticboom93 on
Worth calling out that this doesn’t include Native American history. Most of which is destroyed and lost now. Such a shame. Would be beautiful to include them in an updated version.
sirmombo on
Hasn’t it already been proven that humans have been around for far longer than what this chart would lead you believe?
Dios94 on
“Aryans invade the primitive Dravidians and introduce tribal systems”
Was Indus Valley Civilization not discovered at that time?
den_bram on
What the hell is the width based on? Why is china so small despite its large population and geographic size?
Equals-dukiman on
At least unlike other old ones it doesnt have adam and eve lol
jore-hir on
It should get revised with modern data about ancient economies and demographics.
Jedi_Master_Zer0 on
Its been 0 days since I thought about the Roman Empire.
Atarosek on
I would like to see one updated to 2025
Intelligent-Wing-752 on
Detailed but useless. You can’t fucking read any of it when you zoom in.
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Interesting how China and India are the only two civilizations to make it from 4000 years ago to now without pause.
Can I get source? I can’t read it
Nice visual way of storytelling. A bit western/white point of view, but still nice.
Had a copy as a kid. I think it would be a potentially interesting project to modernize it.
I love this chart. I have it framed in my house super cool decor.
this belongs in r/propaganda
The eurocentrism is strong with this one. China, in particular, gets majorly shortchanged.
Cool looking map but China gets the shaft in a major way (and for what it’s worth, I’m an Irish-American)
South America -> Mexico
what?
also, mexico attacks the united states. i’m sorry bo, it was the other way around.
Why does it begin at 2000bc instead of 3500bc ? And why is Iraq split up across eras whilst other countries are showed as one throughout history ?
That’s a piece of art
R/civ
I’m not qualified to comment on much of this map, but as a Chinese historian, this chart is awful. Chinese power at many points in this history far surpassed anywhere else in the world, and Ming Dynasty China was even arguably the most powerful place in the history of the world until the British Empire.
It’s an impressive chart, especially for 1931
Interesting chart but this isn’t a map
I’m impressed and want to Thank you.🫡 Your version is much clearer than the link version you included.
Rome and the Han Empire had nearly identical territories and influence, yet on this map, Rome appears to be several times wider than the Han.
Love it. I used to have that hung in my classroom
Grossly Eurocentric. Check out Useful Charts on YouTube for better info
This image seems to suggest that the Mongols overthrew the Ming Dynasty, rather than the other way around.
[https://www.thehistomap.com/](https://www.thehistomap.com/)
If you’d like to buy a copy
Very interesting. Would sure love to find something like this to frame and mount.
how is china so small here lol
i know i know it’s outdated but damn
“World War of 1914-18”
r/agedlikemilk
This is very much a post-colonial lens on history. South America, a whole ass continent filled with people for 20k years is vastly underrepresented.
The Mayan empire goes back as far as 2000 BC and it is thought that the Inca empire was as large if not larger than any contemporaneous empires at its peak. Charles Mann’s 1491 and 1493 are excellent books for anyone that wants an updated version of North and South American history.
> relative power
how about a more objective metric like population.
This is not an objective depiction of world history. Rather, it reflects world history through the lens of a Western perspective.
The map entirely omits several major empires from the Deccan region of India, including the Satavahanas, Vakatakas, Rashtrakutas, Yadavas, and Marathas, without any mention of them. Additionally, the term Aryan invasion is inaccurate.
It was a migration in northwest India that had minimal impact on most of India. Genetic studies have demonstrated that Steppe ancestry is present at very low levels in the majority of the Indian population.
Finally, it is misleading to associate Hinduism exclusively with the Aryans a term that is itself a modern construct since the religion originated and evolved indigenously in India.
The vast majority of modern day Hindus possess Ancient Ancestral South Indian (AASI) ancestry, with roots tracing back approximately 60,000 years in the Indian subcontinent.
Have this on my wall
India and China get quite shortchanged here. Both had at times, the most wealthy and powerful empires in the world
I don’t like this map because in a way it overvalues many civilizations and leaves many others behind. Many of them were very powerful and are not even reflected on the map
Very Eurocentric
Persian/Iran was there for 4000 years, and we are not just a terrorist. I’m sad!
The Mongolians must be gearing up for wave 3 by this point!
Russia in 1100 is diabolical. Also funny how Moscow begin its rise under mongol rule, now they are very european and slavic state for themselves.
That’s incredible
Worth calling out that this doesn’t include Native American history. Most of which is destroyed and lost now. Such a shame. Would be beautiful to include them in an updated version.
Hasn’t it already been proven that humans have been around for far longer than what this chart would lead you believe?
“Aryans invade the primitive Dravidians and introduce tribal systems”
Was Indus Valley Civilization not discovered at that time?
What the hell is the width based on? Why is china so small despite its large population and geographic size?
At least unlike other old ones it doesnt have adam and eve lol
It should get revised with modern data about ancient economies and demographics.
Its been 0 days since I thought about the Roman Empire.
I would like to see one updated to 2025
Detailed but useless. You can’t fucking read any of it when you zoom in.