Anyone know where he worked in the FC? I worked there around that time and his name rings a bell
Psychological-Plum10 on
Anyone taking on a ruthless company like amazon is going to have their work cut out for them.
Fingertoes1905 on
So he was upset because he tried to defraud Amazon and lost?
Anony_mouse202 on
I mean, this is completely normal, if you make a sizeable personal injury claim then it’s pretty standard for the entity that you’re claiming against to hire private investigators to check that you actually are injured and aren’t faking. The reason for that is because a lot of people (including this guy, evidently) either exaggerate or completely lie about the extent of their injuries to get a payday:
>He learned Amazon had hired surveillance operatives to follow and film him doing activities like shopping and taking part in a parkrun – footage that would prove catastrophic to his case.
NaiveBadgers on
*The 62-year-old, from Llangynwyd in Bridgend county, lost the case after Amazon sent private investigators to covertly film him going about his routine. In light of their footage the Swansea county court judge ruled Paul had exaggerated his injury and was “fundamentally dishonest” – a finding he vehemently rejects.
Judge H James not only threw out his £124,000 claim but ordered him to pay Amazon £75,000 for legal costs and return a £5,000 interim payment from when the case had looked to be going in his favour.*Â
Man claims injury, man sues employer, employer defends itself and wins.Â
Sending investigators is surely par for the course?
turbobiscuit2000 on
Stories like this are very common. You have a person who suffers a serious injury, but where the effects of that injury are surprisingly hard to pin down. They may be able to do some things, but not others, or they may have pain while doing things, or their ability to do things may vary over time. They may try and push through the pain, and then suffer for it afterwards. They are examined by medical experts, or they have solicitors take down witness statements, and what is quite fluid and subjective has to be put down in black and white. The nuance often ends up being lost. Worse, the injured person may even have been subconsciously exaggerating how bad things are to make sure that people take them seriously (and the law recognises that this can be a feature of an entirely honest witness). They are then put under surveillance, and there may be hours and hours of surveillance obtained, and hopefully the whole of the footage is sent over to be reviewed (but sometimes not, and there may be unscrupulous surveillance operatives who will retain footage). There will then be focus on (what is usually a very small) fraction of the footage which is unhelpful. The person bringing the claim is taken to court, they get a bad decision, and an honest person gets smashed with a finding of dishonesty. I can absolutely believe that someone like the man in the article was indeed telling the truth.
Which-House5837 on
“i sued amazon over a fake injury and then private investigators followed me to prove i had faked the injury”
iamezekiel1_14 on
I’m surprised that this is even a thing. I’ve only had one minor car accident about a decade ago, ended in a 50/50, under £5K in damages total. Both sides had loss adjusters involved and legal involved with the threat of it going to court. Company defends itself against a fraudulent claim and wins. Shock. If it’s going to affect the bottom line substantially, litigation is always involved.
T_raltixx on
I work in a solicitor’s post room. This is normal. I see packs of surveillance photos all the time.
SquirrelNo3822 on
Hiring private investigators is common practice when you have people claiming extremely high values for injuries. Most of the investigators charge around £500 a day, it’s a decent gig.
Most businesses / insurances companies refer to the claims bible for rough costs when looking at payments linked to an injury this is the book of anyone is interested – https://amzn.eu/d/dM3ZuzP it is the reference guide. When someone has injuries and their suffering goes beyond the expected time windows for recovery the business will look to establish if there are any false aspects of the claim by following them. You would be surprised how many people who can’t lift or move without support get caught in the supermarket.
People who genuinely are hurt and want to get back to work will accept private healthcare which is normally offered when there is fault. Most people who want to maximize the potential income will refuse and then extend the rehab cycle.
The business I use to work for self insured costs of up to £50k. So I got to learn a lot from the Claims team. I hope this helps.
In this case the guy has clearly been found to be dishonest by a judge.
T_raltixx on
They will also go through all your social media with a fine tooth comb if you have it public. I’ve photocopied big bundles of Facebook profiles printed out. I work for a solicitors.
dyedinthewoolScot on
You see it all the time on ‘Claimed and Shamed’. I love watching the fraudsters get done. The benefits agencies do the same thing. Covert surveillance if they suspect fraud.
Potential_Cover1206 on
Hang on. An orthopedic surgeon gave a statement that even considered amputation to manage pain yet the reports of 2 frankly imaginary ‘experts’ carried more weight ?
Really? What crack was the judge smoking?
-suspicious-badger on
‘I sued Amazon over an injury then men started following me’
Usual misleading by clickbait article. I have little sympathy or empathy for Amazon, but neither to I like the constant bullshit narratives like this, making out like some kind of shadowy conspiracy to bully a victim, that the media love so much.
Perhaps – ‘I tried to scam Amazon with a fraudulent injury claim, but they use me a legal and legitimate investigator to prove I was a liar’ would have been better.
RegionalHardman on
Reading the whole article, it seems like he’d have won if he didn’t exaggerate it.
Amazon admitted liability for the accident, they failed to repair some a safety barrier and light. He also said he couldn’t fish, swim or go to the gym anymore and the PIs didn’t get any photos of him doing those things, maybe because he can’t anymore. That’s a significant quality of life reduction if you can’t do the hobbies you love anymore.
He lied about not being able to do things like drive properly, do up his clothes etc which was dumb.
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Anyone know where he worked in the FC? I worked there around that time and his name rings a bell
Anyone taking on a ruthless company like amazon is going to have their work cut out for them.
So he was upset because he tried to defraud Amazon and lost?
I mean, this is completely normal, if you make a sizeable personal injury claim then it’s pretty standard for the entity that you’re claiming against to hire private investigators to check that you actually are injured and aren’t faking. The reason for that is because a lot of people (including this guy, evidently) either exaggerate or completely lie about the extent of their injuries to get a payday:
>He learned Amazon had hired surveillance operatives to follow and film him doing activities like shopping and taking part in a parkrun – footage that would prove catastrophic to his case.
*The 62-year-old, from Llangynwyd in Bridgend county, lost the case after Amazon sent private investigators to covertly film him going about his routine. In light of their footage the Swansea county court judge ruled Paul had exaggerated his injury and was “fundamentally dishonest” – a finding he vehemently rejects.
Judge H James not only threw out his £124,000 claim but ordered him to pay Amazon £75,000 for legal costs and return a £5,000 interim payment from when the case had looked to be going in his favour.*Â
Man claims injury, man sues employer, employer defends itself and wins.Â
Sending investigators is surely par for the course?
Stories like this are very common. You have a person who suffers a serious injury, but where the effects of that injury are surprisingly hard to pin down. They may be able to do some things, but not others, or they may have pain while doing things, or their ability to do things may vary over time. They may try and push through the pain, and then suffer for it afterwards. They are examined by medical experts, or they have solicitors take down witness statements, and what is quite fluid and subjective has to be put down in black and white. The nuance often ends up being lost. Worse, the injured person may even have been subconsciously exaggerating how bad things are to make sure that people take them seriously (and the law recognises that this can be a feature of an entirely honest witness). They are then put under surveillance, and there may be hours and hours of surveillance obtained, and hopefully the whole of the footage is sent over to be reviewed (but sometimes not, and there may be unscrupulous surveillance operatives who will retain footage). There will then be focus on (what is usually a very small) fraction of the footage which is unhelpful. The person bringing the claim is taken to court, they get a bad decision, and an honest person gets smashed with a finding of dishonesty. I can absolutely believe that someone like the man in the article was indeed telling the truth.
“i sued amazon over a fake injury and then private investigators followed me to prove i had faked the injury”
I’m surprised that this is even a thing. I’ve only had one minor car accident about a decade ago, ended in a 50/50, under £5K in damages total. Both sides had loss adjusters involved and legal involved with the threat of it going to court. Company defends itself against a fraudulent claim and wins. Shock. If it’s going to affect the bottom line substantially, litigation is always involved.
I work in a solicitor’s post room. This is normal. I see packs of surveillance photos all the time.
Hiring private investigators is common practice when you have people claiming extremely high values for injuries. Most of the investigators charge around £500 a day, it’s a decent gig.
Most businesses / insurances companies refer to the claims bible for rough costs when looking at payments linked to an injury this is the book of anyone is interested – https://amzn.eu/d/dM3ZuzP it is the reference guide. When someone has injuries and their suffering goes beyond the expected time windows for recovery the business will look to establish if there are any false aspects of the claim by following them. You would be surprised how many people who can’t lift or move without support get caught in the supermarket.
People who genuinely are hurt and want to get back to work will accept private healthcare which is normally offered when there is fault. Most people who want to maximize the potential income will refuse and then extend the rehab cycle.
The business I use to work for self insured costs of up to £50k. So I got to learn a lot from the Claims team. I hope this helps.
In this case the guy has clearly been found to be dishonest by a judge.
They will also go through all your social media with a fine tooth comb if you have it public. I’ve photocopied big bundles of Facebook profiles printed out. I work for a solicitors.
You see it all the time on ‘Claimed and Shamed’. I love watching the fraudsters get done. The benefits agencies do the same thing. Covert surveillance if they suspect fraud.
Hang on. An orthopedic surgeon gave a statement that even considered amputation to manage pain yet the reports of 2 frankly imaginary ‘experts’ carried more weight ?
Really? What crack was the judge smoking?
‘I sued Amazon over an injury then men started following me’
Usual misleading by clickbait article. I have little sympathy or empathy for Amazon, but neither to I like the constant bullshit narratives like this, making out like some kind of shadowy conspiracy to bully a victim, that the media love so much.
Perhaps – ‘I tried to scam Amazon with a fraudulent injury claim, but they use me a legal and legitimate investigator to prove I was a liar’ would have been better.
Reading the whole article, it seems like he’d have won if he didn’t exaggerate it.
Amazon admitted liability for the accident, they failed to repair some a safety barrier and light. He also said he couldn’t fish, swim or go to the gym anymore and the PIs didn’t get any photos of him doing those things, maybe because he can’t anymore. That’s a significant quality of life reduction if you can’t do the hobbies you love anymore.
He lied about not being able to do things like drive properly, do up his clothes etc which was dumb.