The path to separation was solidified with the passage of the Clarity Act in 2000. It was red meat to get a portion of the Quebec separatist vote. Don’t discount the idea of Alberta separatism because the term ‘Treaty rights’ gets shouted across the room at news conferences. There’s a legal argument that Alberta can separate and still uphold the treaties.
Until the Supreme Court of Canada states Alberta cannot separate, I’m talking this seriously.
RSMatticus on
Treason, as defined by Canada, is the attempt to overthrow the government by force/espionage.
Most of these separatists are backed by American money. America would annex Alberta the second it left Canada.
They’re not smart enough to understand they are being used.
-Mage-Knight- on
I think Ottawa just doesn’t want to escalate the situation. Right now these guys are seen as fringe nutjob clowns and the government is happy to keep it that way.
Brodney_Alebrand on
Time for Parliament to make it treason, then.
rTpure on
Meanwhile CSIS still refuses to admit that the US engages in foreign interference
shadrackandthemandem on
Maybe Spain is onto something with their approach to separatist movements.
Head_Crash on
If the movement to seperate is being stoked by a foreign power that seeks to annex Canadian territory then yes it’s treason.
This isn’t about Alberta wanting to be it’s own country this is about a very small minority who want Alberta to be a US state.
ComfortableWork1139 on
Just a reminder to everyone here that it was also “treason” for the 13 colonies to break away from the UK. That didn’t stop it.
Pleasant-Split-299 on
They are absolutely traitors. But they are to stupid to be treasonous right now and honestly if they left, Canada might have more leverage over them without them being a province. But if they let the American army in it would cause problems and at that point they would be treasonous.
ghostdeinithegreat on
Is it treason for alberta separatists to manoeuver with the USA government?
It’a paywalled but it’s a question asked by a UsA owned media so I’m going to assume their answer is no?
tjer7 on
The most basic democratic principle of the right to self-determination, at least philosophically, technically means that even a group as small as a neighbourhood could separate & form their own gov’t. (Of course these movements are nearly always squashed, powerful governments don’t usually care about Kant’s philosophy of moral autonomy).
Whether we like it or not, if more than 50% of Albertans want to be their own country – that’s within their right (again – philosophically, not legally).
This is literally how dozens upon dozens of countries on this planet came to be.
However you’re framing this in your mind – think about Ukraine-Russia.
In our defence of Ukraine’s independence from Russia, at least in the eastern provinces, our reasoning is simply “Well if they don’t want to be a part of Russia, they don’t have to”.
Don’t get me twisted I would hate having a huge block of our country gouged off the map. But our focus should be making them NOT want to leave.
tatonca_74 on
Not treason
Douche bagery
But not treason
Must_Reboot on
It’s traitorous, but it is not treason by definition of law.
MoreGaghPlease on
The Logan Act is stupid and not consistent with Canadian values on a free society. There’s a reason the US has basically ignored it too. If someone wants to talk to another government, go ahead, you don’t need Ottawa to bless it.
These Alberta separatists are a joke and we are making a mistake by treating them as serious political operators.
Weird_Rooster_4307 on
Yes because instead of moving to what they like they are acting like spy’s selling out their neighbour’s. If you don’t like where you live MOVE to where you think it’s better.
MegaCockInhaler on
Why would a Democratic vote be treason? Seems more like treason to try and block a democratic vote
Fun_Office5837 on
Initially I was not taking Trump’s 51st state comments very seriously, till I found how US took over parts of Mexico to expand its territory.”
gooberfishie on
Ottawa has good reasons for not calling it treason and prosecuting people, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t treason.
DwayneGretzky306 on
It may not fit the legal definition of treason but corrupt politicians meeting with foreign parties should be illegal and hopefully expand to encompass separation in general.
Would love to see losers in Alberta and Quebec simultaneously dealt a blow.
NavalProgrammer on
> Unlike the U.S. Logan Act, Canada has no law on the books stopping citizens from meeting with foreign governments
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The path to separation was solidified with the passage of the Clarity Act in 2000. It was red meat to get a portion of the Quebec separatist vote. Don’t discount the idea of Alberta separatism because the term ‘Treaty rights’ gets shouted across the room at news conferences. There’s a legal argument that Alberta can separate and still uphold the treaties.
Until the Supreme Court of Canada states Alberta cannot separate, I’m talking this seriously.
Treason, as defined by Canada, is the attempt to overthrow the government by force/espionage.
Most of these separatists are backed by American money. America would annex Alberta the second it left Canada.
They’re not smart enough to understand they are being used.
I think Ottawa just doesn’t want to escalate the situation. Right now these guys are seen as fringe nutjob clowns and the government is happy to keep it that way.
Time for Parliament to make it treason, then.
Meanwhile CSIS still refuses to admit that the US engages in foreign interference
Maybe Spain is onto something with their approach to separatist movements.
If the movement to seperate is being stoked by a foreign power that seeks to annex Canadian territory then yes it’s treason.
This isn’t about Alberta wanting to be it’s own country this is about a very small minority who want Alberta to be a US state.
Just a reminder to everyone here that it was also “treason” for the 13 colonies to break away from the UK. That didn’t stop it.
They are absolutely traitors. But they are to stupid to be treasonous right now and honestly if they left, Canada might have more leverage over them without them being a province. But if they let the American army in it would cause problems and at that point they would be treasonous.
Is it treason for alberta separatists to manoeuver with the USA government?
It’a paywalled but it’s a question asked by a UsA owned media so I’m going to assume their answer is no?
The most basic democratic principle of the right to self-determination, at least philosophically, technically means that even a group as small as a neighbourhood could separate & form their own gov’t. (Of course these movements are nearly always squashed, powerful governments don’t usually care about Kant’s philosophy of moral autonomy).
Whether we like it or not, if more than 50% of Albertans want to be their own country – that’s within their right (again – philosophically, not legally).
This is literally how dozens upon dozens of countries on this planet came to be.
However you’re framing this in your mind – think about Ukraine-Russia.
In our defence of Ukraine’s independence from Russia, at least in the eastern provinces, our reasoning is simply “Well if they don’t want to be a part of Russia, they don’t have to”.
Don’t get me twisted I would hate having a huge block of our country gouged off the map. But our focus should be making them NOT want to leave.
Not treason
Douche bagery
But not treason
It’s traitorous, but it is not treason by definition of law.
The Logan Act is stupid and not consistent with Canadian values on a free society. There’s a reason the US has basically ignored it too. If someone wants to talk to another government, go ahead, you don’t need Ottawa to bless it.
These Alberta separatists are a joke and we are making a mistake by treating them as serious political operators.
Yes because instead of moving to what they like they are acting like spy’s selling out their neighbour’s. If you don’t like where you live MOVE to where you think it’s better.
Why would a Democratic vote be treason? Seems more like treason to try and block a democratic vote
Initially I was not taking Trump’s 51st state comments very seriously, till I found how US took over parts of Mexico to expand its territory.”
Ottawa has good reasons for not calling it treason and prosecuting people, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t treason.
It may not fit the legal definition of treason but corrupt politicians meeting with foreign parties should be illegal and hopefully expand to encompass separation in general.
Would love to see losers in Alberta and Quebec simultaneously dealt a blow.
> Unlike the U.S. Logan Act, Canada has no law on the books stopping citizens from meeting with foreign governments
Wow. Can we PLEASE get some action on this?
Sigh, time to email my MP again
https://www.ourcommons.ca/en/contact-us
It probably depends on the content of the conversations
It should be considered sedition.
How about they just subtly release who these people are in contact with.
Flood Facebook with pictures of Danielle and trump.
The rest of Canada says yes I suspect.
Clarification: Treasonous? Yes. Legally treason? No.
YES