Ok, so he’s going to ban usury? Cancel all debts after seven years? Is he going to be solicitous towards refugees, the poor the sick?
All of these are actually pronouncements from his Jesus who also said that the only way to get into heaven is to follow HIS teachings. So no Paul, no Mark, no John just Mathew.
I bet he knows less about living as a Christian than I do and I’m an atheist.
Min_sora on
“Asked by Farron, who is also a Christian, whether his aim was to “Christianize” Britain, Kruger stopped short, arguing that such language “raises unhelpful questions.” However, he added, “I would love us to be a more confidently Christian country that acknowledges its Christian heritage. A society aligned more closely with the teachings of Jesus would be a happier one.””
Yes, he’s right, that society would be happier, but it’s not a society Reform is going to make.
Krabsandwich on
“Confidently Christian” clearly he doesn’t know that the established church is the Church of England where belief god is pretty much an optional extra. He really needs to dump the MAGA nonsense and get out more clearly he forgets he is an MP and thinks he is a Congressman.
antlered-god on
Christian??? Doesn’t he know that means not spreading hate?
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potpan0 on
I’m not quite sure what Kruger’s brand of *confident Christianity* has to offer outside of telling women they can’t have bodily autonomy, telling gay people they aren’t allowed to marry who they love, and all the while continuing the massive growth of economic inequality in our society.
His Christianity is entirely hollow, which I guess isn’t all too surprising seeing that he only converted because his wife wanted him to, and only seems to have embraced this more *hardcore* styling of Christianity since jumping ship from the Tories to Reform. This is the same feller who, as speechwriter for the Tories, helped define Cameron’s so-called (and equally hollow) ‘compassionate conservative’. He certainly knows how to follow the wind.
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Upstairs-Passenger28 on
He’s going to struggle with that as 55% of the UK have no religious beliefs but crack on make a fool of yourself
Heuchelei on
I agree. Let‘s have the real Christianity back. Let’s abide by Jesus‘ teachings. Loving thy neighbour, caring for the sick and vulnerable. Turning the other cheek. Abandoning pursuit of excessive wealth. Not the Reform Christianity which says love your neighbour except if they’re foreign.
ClassicFlavour on
He’s a true Christian who:
Consistently voted against improving air quality
Consistently voted against improving biodiversity
Consistently voted against improving environmental water quality
Consistently voted against higher taxes on banks
Consistently voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
Consistently voted against stronger fire safety measures
Consistently voted against landlords paying for the costs of building safety works
Consistently voted against more rights for tenants and regulation on landlords
I’m confidently Quaker, British, European…I don’t feel the need to engage in exclusionary rhetoric to express any facet of my identity.
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ItsSuperDefective on
I think these people are seriously misjudging how exciting the general British public is about Christianity.
fujoshimoder on
Jesus was a brown Palestinian man, I can’t exactly see your average Reform MP being welcoming to him if he was alive today.
ImageRevolutionary43 on
And what about the economy? Inflation? Youth unemployment? You know, things that actually matter.
Boo_Hoo_8258 on
These Reform Christian pushers can go and fuck off to America, I’ve had enough of all these so called Religious assholes trying to dictate how every person in the country should act or live.
unyieldingnoodle on
Does anyone know what proportion of the population are actually _practicing_ Christians?
I know the census identifies people as Christian, but I feel like that’s more culturally, as in they went to a CofE school, for example, rather than going to church every week?
karpet_muncher on
I wonder how many reform supporters actually go to church on a weekly basis
Nights_Harvest on
An attempt at social wars, there are more important things to talk about, like:
Taxing wealth
ArchdukeToes on
So…which denomination of Christianity are we thinking, here? Quakers? Episcopalian? Or some kind of warped mega church / charismatic evangelical variant that’s metastasised out of the US?
paolog on
Is that Christian as in loving thy neighbour, helping those in need and welcoming in strangers, Mr Kruger?
BobbyNotches on
humility, compassion, charity, tending to the needy and the rejected, avoiding the public performative look-how-holy-I-am Pharisee thing.
Yes, I can absolutely see the prominent Reform members modelling all of those things. Absolutely. Bless ’em, each and every one.
Due-Resort-2699 on
Why?
It’s literally made up fairytale nonsense , same as all religions . Why would we want to go back to it?
Big-Panda-440 on
Sorry but this country without religion would be much better. And I was born in the uk
DaddyCaustic on
Just like Tommeh Robinson jumping on the christian nationalist bandwagon with his carol service. American grifting bullshit.
Nurgleschampion on
All religion should be practiced alone in your room. If you can’t hear the voice of God tough shit.
Sick of bowing down to anyone telling me their imaginary friends should dictate people lives.
MoffTanner on
Who knew Jesus was a nationalist!
I hate how empty these article are. Just a couple of empty quotes on such a potentially huge statement.
Old_Operation_5116 on
I’m atheist. I want a Christian state about as much as I want a sharia one.
katie-kaboom on
“You shall not oppress a sojourner. You know the heart of a sojourner, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.” (Exodus 23:9)
“You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.” (Deuteronomy 10:19)
“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.” (Leviticus 19:33-34)
“When they were few in number, of little account, and strangers in the land, wandering from nation to nation, from one kingdom to another people, he allowed no one to oppress them; he rebuked kings on their account, saying, ‘Do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm.’” (1 Chronicles 16:19-22)
“Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.” (Psalm 82:3)
And of course, “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others.” (Matthew 6:5)
I think Reform has some work to do before they can claim to be “confidently Christian”.
coffeewalnut08 on
So I wonder what they think of Jesus’ teachings on these:
*So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.* (Matthew 7:12) –
Hebrews 13:2: *Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.*
Galatians 3:28: *There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.*
Matthew 25:42-45: *For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not take me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit me. And they too will reply ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and di not minister to you?‘ Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.‘*
MrSierra125 on
U.K. should confidently call itself an atheist country
leavemeinpieces on
>”A society aligned more closely with the teachings of Jesus would be a happier one.”
No thanks. I’ll think for myself, I don’t need a spiritual being to figure out how I live my life. I just try to be a good person, work hard and take care of my family.
Religion and politics should remain fully separate, and influence from overseas pushing money into right wing grifter pockets here is bad news.
jenny_905 on
Yeah well that frog faced fascist piece of shit and his pretendy party can go fuck themselves.
Ordinary-Hat5379 on
Absolutely no to this Billsh*t. Politics in this country should be entirely secular so that we can’t be hijacked by religious extremism of any stripe.
OminOus_PancakeS on
Oh for Christ’s sake. At least that’s one part of the MAGA playbook that won’t work here.
Thefdt on
We should be confidently non religious. And remind those who follow religion that having a faith is fine but there is a limit to it, and it can’t get in the way of progress and modern values.
TheCharalampos on
Was wondering when they’d get desperate enough to go for religion. I reckon they’ve calculated badly, while the UK has been hammered by alot of USA Christian money I don’t think the populace will like it enough so it won’t backfire.
fsfaith on
Just like the Americans they want to use religion as a banner for control and use God’s name in vain.
somnamna2516 on
Let me guess the ‘Christianity’ he wants us to be confident in, is the American evangelical variety filled with plenty smiting aimed at perverts, liberals, abortionists, heathens and on and on ad infinitum
delicatedead on
Ah yes, the classic Christian teaching – love thy neighbor as thyself unless they’re foreign.
Visa5e on
You can’t be Christian and also support or represent Reform. They’re fundamentally incompatible.
Hellstorm901 on
I doubt many reformers have been in a church since their school forced them to take part in a nativity play
Authoritarians have always co-opt religion as it’s easy to justify evil when done in “God’s name” while rarely ever adhering to its teachings
The_WA_Remembers on
Well of course.
Being a Christian means you follow Christian morals and traditions etc
Being confidently Christian though? Well that’s just the same as being confident about any religion. You end up with a society that just massively ignores actual facts and logic because it “goes against god”
I don’t think I need to explain how wide open to abuse a society like that would be to the greedy power hungry fuckcunts that make up the reform party
GemoDorg on
Jesus healed the sick for free, he accepted and loved even sex workers, fed the homeless for nothing in return. I’m not a Christian myself, but I think I’m genuinely probably a better Christian than most people who consider themselves Christian, ironically enough.
That being said, none of these cunts are real Christians, they’re just using it to legitimise their political ambitions to turn people against each other and to control people less educated and more guillable than themselves. Don’t be a sheep.
squeakstar on
Danny Kruger can get fucked along with his nationalist view of subservience under God bullshit.
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Ok, so he’s going to ban usury? Cancel all debts after seven years? Is he going to be solicitous towards refugees, the poor the sick?
All of these are actually pronouncements from his Jesus who also said that the only way to get into heaven is to follow HIS teachings. So no Paul, no Mark, no John just Mathew.
I bet he knows less about living as a Christian than I do and I’m an atheist.
“Asked by Farron, who is also a Christian, whether his aim was to “Christianize” Britain, Kruger stopped short, arguing that such language “raises unhelpful questions.” However, he added, “I would love us to be a more confidently Christian country that acknowledges its Christian heritage. A society aligned more closely with the teachings of Jesus would be a happier one.””
Yes, he’s right, that society would be happier, but it’s not a society Reform is going to make.
“Confidently Christian” clearly he doesn’t know that the established church is the Church of England where belief god is pretty much an optional extra. He really needs to dump the MAGA nonsense and get out more clearly he forgets he is an MP and thinks he is a Congressman.
Christian??? Doesn’t he know that means not spreading hate?
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I’m not quite sure what Kruger’s brand of *confident Christianity* has to offer outside of telling women they can’t have bodily autonomy, telling gay people they aren’t allowed to marry who they love, and all the while continuing the massive growth of economic inequality in our society.
His Christianity is entirely hollow, which I guess isn’t all too surprising seeing that he only converted because his wife wanted him to, and only seems to have embraced this more *hardcore* styling of Christianity since jumping ship from the Tories to Reform. This is the same feller who, as speechwriter for the Tories, helped define Cameron’s so-called (and equally hollow) ‘compassionate conservative’. He certainly knows how to follow the wind.
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He’s going to struggle with that as 55% of the UK have no religious beliefs but crack on make a fool of yourself
I agree. Let‘s have the real Christianity back. Let’s abide by Jesus‘ teachings. Loving thy neighbour, caring for the sick and vulnerable. Turning the other cheek. Abandoning pursuit of excessive wealth. Not the Reform Christianity which says love your neighbour except if they’re foreign.
He’s a true Christian who:
Consistently voted against improving air quality
Consistently voted against improving biodiversity
Consistently voted against improving environmental water quality
Consistently voted against higher taxes on banks
Consistently voted against laws to promote equality and human rights
Consistently voted against stronger fire safety measures
Consistently voted against landlords paying for the costs of building safety works
Consistently voted against more rights for tenants and regulation on landlords
Edit: He’s also [Prue Leith’s](https://www.google.com/search?q=Prue+Leith&rlz=1C1CHBF_en-GBGB766GB766&oq=Prue+Leith&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQRRg80gEHNjkzajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8) son. That’s not a criticism. Just a oh..
I’m confidently Quaker, British, European…I don’t feel the need to engage in exclusionary rhetoric to express any facet of my identity.
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I think these people are seriously misjudging how exciting the general British public is about Christianity.
Jesus was a brown Palestinian man, I can’t exactly see your average Reform MP being welcoming to him if he was alive today.
And what about the economy? Inflation? Youth unemployment? You know, things that actually matter.
These Reform Christian pushers can go and fuck off to America, I’ve had enough of all these so called Religious assholes trying to dictate how every person in the country should act or live.
Does anyone know what proportion of the population are actually _practicing_ Christians?
I know the census identifies people as Christian, but I feel like that’s more culturally, as in they went to a CofE school, for example, rather than going to church every week?
I wonder how many reform supporters actually go to church on a weekly basis
An attempt at social wars, there are more important things to talk about, like:
Taxing wealth
So…which denomination of Christianity are we thinking, here? Quakers? Episcopalian? Or some kind of warped mega church / charismatic evangelical variant that’s metastasised out of the US?
Is that Christian as in loving thy neighbour, helping those in need and welcoming in strangers, Mr Kruger?
humility, compassion, charity, tending to the needy and the rejected, avoiding the public performative look-how-holy-I-am Pharisee thing.
Yes, I can absolutely see the prominent Reform members modelling all of those things. Absolutely. Bless ’em, each and every one.
Why?
It’s literally made up fairytale nonsense , same as all religions . Why would we want to go back to it?
Sorry but this country without religion would be much better. And I was born in the uk
Just like Tommeh Robinson jumping on the christian nationalist bandwagon with his carol service. American grifting bullshit.
All religion should be practiced alone in your room. If you can’t hear the voice of God tough shit.
Sick of bowing down to anyone telling me their imaginary friends should dictate people lives.
Who knew Jesus was a nationalist!
I hate how empty these article are. Just a couple of empty quotes on such a potentially huge statement.
I’m atheist. I want a Christian state about as much as I want a sharia one.
“You shall not oppress a sojourner. You know the heart of a sojourner, for you were sojourners in the land of Egypt.” (Exodus 23:9)
“You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.” (Deuteronomy 10:19)
“When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.” (Leviticus 19:33-34)
“When they were few in number, of little account, and strangers in the land, wandering from nation to nation, from one kingdom to another people, he allowed no one to oppress them; he rebuked kings on their account, saying, ‘Do not touch my anointed ones; do my prophets no harm.’” (1 Chronicles 16:19-22)
“Defend the weak and the fatherless; uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.” (Psalm 82:3)
And of course, “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others.” (Matthew 6:5)
I think Reform has some work to do before they can claim to be “confidently Christian”.
So I wonder what they think of Jesus’ teachings on these:
*So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.* (Matthew 7:12) –
Hebrews 13:2: *Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.*
Galatians 3:28: *There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.*
Matthew 25:42-45: *For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not take me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit me. And they too will reply ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and di not minister to you?‘ Then the King will answer, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for Me.‘*
U.K. should confidently call itself an atheist country
>”A society aligned more closely with the teachings of Jesus would be a happier one.”
No thanks. I’ll think for myself, I don’t need a spiritual being to figure out how I live my life. I just try to be a good person, work hard and take care of my family.
Religion and politics should remain fully separate, and influence from overseas pushing money into right wing grifter pockets here is bad news.
Yeah well that frog faced fascist piece of shit and his pretendy party can go fuck themselves.
Absolutely no to this Billsh*t. Politics in this country should be entirely secular so that we can’t be hijacked by religious extremism of any stripe.
Oh for Christ’s sake. At least that’s one part of the MAGA playbook that won’t work here.
We should be confidently non religious. And remind those who follow religion that having a faith is fine but there is a limit to it, and it can’t get in the way of progress and modern values.
Was wondering when they’d get desperate enough to go for religion. I reckon they’ve calculated badly, while the UK has been hammered by alot of USA Christian money I don’t think the populace will like it enough so it won’t backfire.
Just like the Americans they want to use religion as a banner for control and use God’s name in vain.
Let me guess the ‘Christianity’ he wants us to be confident in, is the American evangelical variety filled with plenty smiting aimed at perverts, liberals, abortionists, heathens and on and on ad infinitum
Ah yes, the classic Christian teaching – love thy neighbor as thyself unless they’re foreign.
You can’t be Christian and also support or represent Reform. They’re fundamentally incompatible.
I doubt many reformers have been in a church since their school forced them to take part in a nativity play
Authoritarians have always co-opt religion as it’s easy to justify evil when done in “God’s name” while rarely ever adhering to its teachings
Well of course.
Being a Christian means you follow Christian morals and traditions etc
Being confidently Christian though? Well that’s just the same as being confident about any religion. You end up with a society that just massively ignores actual facts and logic because it “goes against god”
I don’t think I need to explain how wide open to abuse a society like that would be to the greedy power hungry fuckcunts that make up the reform party
Jesus healed the sick for free, he accepted and loved even sex workers, fed the homeless for nothing in return. I’m not a Christian myself, but I think I’m genuinely probably a better Christian than most people who consider themselves Christian, ironically enough.
That being said, none of these cunts are real Christians, they’re just using it to legitimise their political ambitions to turn people against each other and to control people less educated and more guillable than themselves. Don’t be a sheep.
Danny Kruger can get fucked along with his nationalist view of subservience under God bullshit.