“In a document published by the ECHR earlier this month, it states that Ms Begum is challenging the decision to revoke her British citizenship under Article 4 of the European Convention of Human Rights – prohibition of slavery and forced labour.
The four questions posed by judges in Strasbourg to the Home Office, include: “Did the Secretary of State have a positive obligation, by virtue of Article 4 of the Convention, to consider whether the applicant had been a victim of trafficking, and whether any duties or obligations to her flowed from that fact, before deciding to deprive her of her citizenship?”
Shadow home secretary Chris Philp said Ms Begum “chose to go and support the violent Islamist extremists”.
He added: “She has no place in the UK and our own Supreme Court found that depriving her of citizenship was lawful.
“It is deeply concerning the European Court of Human Rights is now looking at using the ECHR to make the UK take her back.”
Acrobatic_Yogurt_327 on
Good! We have enough extremists as it is. The government’s responsibility to the public must take priority over the wishes of someone who willingly joined a terrorist organisation that hates us and supported the Manchester terrorist attack
andrew0256 on
Whilst understandable the decision to remove her citizenship never sat easily with me. She was only 15 (?) at the time and had been groomed.
Due process would have seen her returned to face the music.
One-Cost835 on
Why this is still being given any thought just shows how far gone we are. No place for terrorists here. We have enough.
PelayoEnjoyer on
Woman still in Syria that committed crimes in Syria should face trial by the Syrians. Then they can sentence to whatever they like, and Bangladesh can pick up the diplomatic assistance if they so wish.
elon_musks_account on
There’s nothing to defend. Begum was stripped of her citizenship legally. Let it be a powerful lesson to terrоrists.
B0797S458W on
They have to defend it. Giving in to the ECHR on this would be handing Reform a huge win.
NoLove_NoHope on
Did they ever ascertain whether or not she truly held Bangladeshi citizenship? As someone who has the right to apply for other citizenships through descent but don’t actually hold them, this part of the whole case was deeply concerning to me.
Otherwise, a deeply unpopular opinion on here, I do think she should be allowed back to the UK so she can be jailed. The same way her husband was allowed to return to the Netherlands and was arrested.
Could you imagine the outrage if a foreign national came here, started engaging in terrorist activities and their government stripped their citizenship and left them here?
She is, unfortunately, our problem.
JackStrawWitchita on
Removing the citizenship of someone born and raised in Britain sets a dangerous precedence. No matter how you feel about this person or this case, this affects *you*.
Any future government can decide that they want to strip you of your citizenship and leave you stateless. Imagine a scenario where a right wing autocrat is in Downing St and decides that a certain journalist, or comedian, or musician is ‘anti-British’ and authorises the removal of that British born person’s citizenship…. this is what we are talking about here.
BoringView on
How come Bangladesh never gets any stick for denying their citizen citizenship? It’s always the UKs fault but she was legally eligible for Bangladeshi citizen.
Personal_Lab_484 on
What a genius idea. Every time we don’t like someone, let’s just strip them of citizenship and make them someone else’s problem.
I’m sure the UK would be delighted if a Syrian man—born in Syria, who had never even been to the UK—was suddenly dumped there because Syria stripped him of citizenship after he joined a terror group groomed in the UK.
Or is it only okay when we do it?
She’s British. Obviously British. She’s a cunt , but that’s what prisons are for.
BuffaloPancakes11 on
Can’t help but feel if this was a male, the views on allowing her to simply return and continue her life would be different
Any time there’s a thread on here where a teenage boy has committed a crime or been involved in something similar I don’t see any hints at forgiveness or pointing out all the other factors which could have led to their behaviour, which we should take into account to cut them some slack
Not to mention if any terror incident at all happened that could be connected to her or her return, the same people in government currently taking the flack for keeping her out would be the first to be blamed for allowing her back
Thestickleman on
Good.
She shouldn’t be allowed back in the country or get her citizenship back
DI-Try on
I like how with each appeal she is advised to dress a bit more western. With this new attempt, I’m half expecting a channel 4 interview where she is sat on a grey crushed velvet sofa next to a staffy, wearing an England t-shirt, whilst drinking tea out of a cup with the late queen on.
TheeBlaccPantha on
Remains one of the most twisted stories I’ve ever heard
1. A British born Jihadist travels to another country.
2. That country discovers the jihadist and wants the jihadist gone.
3. Britain fucking washes their hands of the jihadists, and FORCES other countries to pay for the jihadist and absorb the risk of hosting the jihadist.
4. Britain says that Bangladesh should take the jihadist, Bangladesh understandably refuses to claim the jihadist and bear the burden of taking in a jihadist produced by Britain.
British people talk nonsense about how our taxes should not go to taking in a jihadist…yet We get to force other countries to absorb the cost and risk of our jihadists.
Imagine if a jihadist entered the UK and we were just forced to host them. Even the United States has repatriated ISIS brides.
SoggyWotsits on
If she came back, she’d be unemployable. She’d probably make a fortune from TV deals instead. Hardly the message to send out.
She’s rarely shown any remorse, quite the opposite in fact. The only time she’s shown a hint of it is when trying to convince everyone she deserves to returns
ReligiousGhoul on
It’s interesting how many comments here are declaring it only to be fair that she be tried, arrested and imprisoned here for crimes comitted in Syria?
Yet when this rhetoric is flipped onto foreign criminals comitting crimes in the UK, it’s seen as unjust and wrong for them to be deported back to face justice??
Once again, it seems the UK is being taken for a mug by the system everyone else seems to quite happily ignore.
phangtom on
It would be political suicide for the government to reverse the decision and it’s crazy how stupid people are to willing to put the whole country into jeopardy to defend a terrorist.
1) You’re basically admitting terrorists are welcome in the country and handing Reform a free win. Congrats on making every non-white person’s lives worse just so you can bring a terrorist back to the UK
2) It’s going to show how much of a joke the UK prison system is. She’s going to do zero time in prison and if she magically does, no doubt the people calling to bring her to the UK are going argue against any prison time.
All the while she still hates the UK because she’s openly a terrorist which feeds back into point 1.
AmpleApple9 on
That poor terrorist, won’t someone think of the terrorists!
Personal-Quantity528 on
Bring back the death penalty, Bangladesh has it for terrorism, hence her not venturing down that route.
It’s about time the UK stopped bending over for these sort for fear of causing offence, those who have been lucky enough to receive British citizenship must understand it’s a privilege and one many others would love.
Her being 15 at the time bares no relavenence when the majority that age know how to behave themselves. It’s about time people took responsibility for themselves and stopped looking to blame others, she’s an absolute dullard anyway and won’t make any meaningful contribution.
Minimum-Accident-821 on
I do think stripping citizenship is wrong, but people defend doing so because they have no faith in a proper sentence being handed out.
I’m of the opinion that people also believe citizenship is handed out far too easily, so they see less of a problem with it being revoked.
dick_piana on
Everyone talking about how you can only strip a person of their British citizenship if they have dual citizenship is mistaken:
“However, section 40(4A) of the BNA 1981, introduced by the Immigration Act 2014, provides for the deprivation of British citizenship on conducive grounds, even if it would render a person stateless, if they have conducted themselves in a manner seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the UK and if there are reasonable grounds for believing that the person is able to become a national of another country or territory.”
As always, “reasonable grounds” is left for interpretation.
Negative-Tennis1967 on
The amount of people wanting to bring a terrorist back into the country is crazy.
Dislexicpotato on
Scenarios like this make me realise I’m not as liberal as I thought.
CharmingCatastrophe on
I have no idea why English British people want her back..at 15 you are not a naive child you know right from wrong groomed or not she made a choice and not only did she make the choice she stood by it even till this day..she watched laughed and agreed with the violence she saw and probably took part in against many British people might I add and now she wants to come back here to get a taxpayer funded house and lifestyle and English British people want her back? She is literally a terrorist and a threat to decent people..having her back will result in a terror event mark my words.
_rememberwhen on
It was an idiotic decision by Javid at the time and it was entirely performative. It had absolutely nothing to do with national security.
There will have been several British citizens who went abroad to fight with terrorist organisations who were allowed to return home.
Begum became a high profile figure and a flagging government desperately tried to win some public approval by stripping her of her citizenship, effectively making her stateless.
It was a stupid thing to do, but we had a very stupid government, so it wasn’t too surprising.
Tai_Shar_Manetheren on
This is going to be brilliant ammunition for Farage and his argument of leaving the ECHR
Do_You_Pineapple_Bro on
Fucking hell is she still moaning?
Its just a hopeless case of crocodile tears and excuses because she’s being denied all the luxuries of living in a First World nation, that she’s essentially said she wants to see razed to the ground.
She just wants to have her cake and eat it.
jackiesear on
Many people of both sexes who went to join Isis have returned or been returned quietly to the UK – some served sentences, others not – no fuss in the media. Ms Begum’s problem is that she became the poster girl in the UK for Isis, so the media are all over her story and many of the public would be incensed at her return. About 360 known “fighters” have returned from t he estimated 900 who went out there. 20% were killed in action and about 100 have had their citizenshhip revoked So, Begum is not the only one. She could also become a “magnet” for extremism or perhaps she would end on I’m a celebrity… I’m not saying it is right that others returned to no publicity or opprobrium. They are all vile terrorists. Her alledged involvment with the enslaving, torture and rape of yazidi women is particularly awful.
Deadliftdeadlife on
This issue kinda points out why reform are doing so well
She became a terrorist and committed crimes in Syria and is now currently in a detention camp in Syria
To many people that sounds like the end of it, yet here we are, the government is having to defend its right to not house a terrorist that’s committed crimes in other countries.
I’m not a fan of reform or their ideas about leaving the ECHR.
But I can absolutely see why people are a fan of it.
Lonely-Contract-7659 on
As a fellow British Muslim I also say she should not be allowed back into the uk. She made her bed and should lie on it till her dying day.
She wasn’t some stupid silly kid, she knew exactly what she was doing when she went there to be with ISIS.
panguy87 on
Well of course they’ll defend it. Just because the ECHR has been approached by Ms Begums legal champions to attempt to get the court to shoehorn her back into the country doesn’t mean it will be successful. But the court has to proceed, where a case is brought to them they can’t arbitrarily dismiss it without doing investigations and holding hearings on the matter.
If the government of its day did their job correctly, then there should be no legal loophole found but the checks and balances in our society mean these processes have to be gone through even though we think they’re preposterous.
Acrobatic_Yogurt_327 on
Reminder to those who have forgotten that she only decided to “reject” (or say she did) ISIS ideology after they lost power and she suddenly needed a friendly host country to look after her.
hlvd on
Let her rot in whatever shithole country she’s currently living in.
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“In a document published by the ECHR earlier this month, it states that Ms Begum is challenging the decision to revoke her British citizenship under Article 4 of the European Convention of Human Rights – prohibition of slavery and forced labour.
The four questions posed by judges in Strasbourg to the Home Office, include: “Did the Secretary of State have a positive obligation, by virtue of Article 4 of the Convention, to consider whether the applicant had been a victim of trafficking, and whether any duties or obligations to her flowed from that fact, before deciding to deprive her of her citizenship?”
Shadow home secretary Chris Philp said Ms Begum “chose to go and support the violent Islamist extremists”.
He added: “She has no place in the UK and our own Supreme Court found that depriving her of citizenship was lawful.
“It is deeply concerning the European Court of Human Rights is now looking at using the ECHR to make the UK take her back.”
Good! We have enough extremists as it is. The government’s responsibility to the public must take priority over the wishes of someone who willingly joined a terrorist organisation that hates us and supported the Manchester terrorist attack
Whilst understandable the decision to remove her citizenship never sat easily with me. She was only 15 (?) at the time and had been groomed.
Due process would have seen her returned to face the music.
Why this is still being given any thought just shows how far gone we are. No place for terrorists here. We have enough.
Woman still in Syria that committed crimes in Syria should face trial by the Syrians. Then they can sentence to whatever they like, and Bangladesh can pick up the diplomatic assistance if they so wish.
There’s nothing to defend. Begum was stripped of her citizenship legally. Let it be a powerful lesson to terrоrists.
They have to defend it. Giving in to the ECHR on this would be handing Reform a huge win.
Did they ever ascertain whether or not she truly held Bangladeshi citizenship? As someone who has the right to apply for other citizenships through descent but don’t actually hold them, this part of the whole case was deeply concerning to me.
Otherwise, a deeply unpopular opinion on here, I do think she should be allowed back to the UK so she can be jailed. The same way her husband was allowed to return to the Netherlands and was arrested.
Could you imagine the outrage if a foreign national came here, started engaging in terrorist activities and their government stripped their citizenship and left them here?
She is, unfortunately, our problem.
Removing the citizenship of someone born and raised in Britain sets a dangerous precedence. No matter how you feel about this person or this case, this affects *you*.
Any future government can decide that they want to strip you of your citizenship and leave you stateless. Imagine a scenario where a right wing autocrat is in Downing St and decides that a certain journalist, or comedian, or musician is ‘anti-British’ and authorises the removal of that British born person’s citizenship…. this is what we are talking about here.
How come Bangladesh never gets any stick for denying their citizen citizenship? It’s always the UKs fault but she was legally eligible for Bangladeshi citizen.
What a genius idea. Every time we don’t like someone, let’s just strip them of citizenship and make them someone else’s problem.
I’m sure the UK would be delighted if a Syrian man—born in Syria, who had never even been to the UK—was suddenly dumped there because Syria stripped him of citizenship after he joined a terror group groomed in the UK.
Or is it only okay when we do it?
She’s British. Obviously British. She’s a cunt , but that’s what prisons are for.
Can’t help but feel if this was a male, the views on allowing her to simply return and continue her life would be different
Any time there’s a thread on here where a teenage boy has committed a crime or been involved in something similar I don’t see any hints at forgiveness or pointing out all the other factors which could have led to their behaviour, which we should take into account to cut them some slack
Not to mention if any terror incident at all happened that could be connected to her or her return, the same people in government currently taking the flack for keeping her out would be the first to be blamed for allowing her back
Good.
She shouldn’t be allowed back in the country or get her citizenship back
I like how with each appeal she is advised to dress a bit more western. With this new attempt, I’m half expecting a channel 4 interview where she is sat on a grey crushed velvet sofa next to a staffy, wearing an England t-shirt, whilst drinking tea out of a cup with the late queen on.
Remains one of the most twisted stories I’ve ever heard
1. A British born Jihadist travels to another country.
2. That country discovers the jihadist and wants the jihadist gone.
3. Britain fucking washes their hands of the jihadists, and FORCES other countries to pay for the jihadist and absorb the risk of hosting the jihadist.
4. Britain says that Bangladesh should take the jihadist, Bangladesh understandably refuses to claim the jihadist and bear the burden of taking in a jihadist produced by Britain.
British people talk nonsense about how our taxes should not go to taking in a jihadist…yet We get to force other countries to absorb the cost and risk of our jihadists.
Imagine if a jihadist entered the UK and we were just forced to host them. Even the United States has repatriated ISIS brides.
If she came back, she’d be unemployable. She’d probably make a fortune from TV deals instead. Hardly the message to send out.
She’s rarely shown any remorse, quite the opposite in fact. The only time she’s shown a hint of it is when trying to convince everyone she deserves to returns
It’s interesting how many comments here are declaring it only to be fair that she be tried, arrested and imprisoned here for crimes comitted in Syria?
Yet when this rhetoric is flipped onto foreign criminals comitting crimes in the UK, it’s seen as unjust and wrong for them to be deported back to face justice??
Once again, it seems the UK is being taken for a mug by the system everyone else seems to quite happily ignore.
It would be political suicide for the government to reverse the decision and it’s crazy how stupid people are to willing to put the whole country into jeopardy to defend a terrorist.
1) You’re basically admitting terrorists are welcome in the country and handing Reform a free win. Congrats on making every non-white person’s lives worse just so you can bring a terrorist back to the UK
2) It’s going to show how much of a joke the UK prison system is. She’s going to do zero time in prison and if she magically does, no doubt the people calling to bring her to the UK are going argue against any prison time.
All the while she still hates the UK because she’s openly a terrorist which feeds back into point 1.
That poor terrorist, won’t someone think of the terrorists!
Bring back the death penalty, Bangladesh has it for terrorism, hence her not venturing down that route.
It’s about time the UK stopped bending over for these sort for fear of causing offence, those who have been lucky enough to receive British citizenship must understand it’s a privilege and one many others would love.
Her being 15 at the time bares no relavenence when the majority that age know how to behave themselves. It’s about time people took responsibility for themselves and stopped looking to blame others, she’s an absolute dullard anyway and won’t make any meaningful contribution.
I do think stripping citizenship is wrong, but people defend doing so because they have no faith in a proper sentence being handed out.
I’m of the opinion that people also believe citizenship is handed out far too easily, so they see less of a problem with it being revoked.
Everyone talking about how you can only strip a person of their British citizenship if they have dual citizenship is mistaken:
“However, section 40(4A) of the BNA 1981, introduced by the Immigration Act 2014, provides for the deprivation of British citizenship on conducive grounds, even if it would render a person stateless, if they have conducted themselves in a manner seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the UK and if there are reasonable grounds for believing that the person is able to become a national of another country or territory.”
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/deprivation-of-british-citizenship-caseworker-guidance/deprivation-of-british-citizenship-accessible-version
As always, “reasonable grounds” is left for interpretation.
The amount of people wanting to bring a terrorist back into the country is crazy.
Scenarios like this make me realise I’m not as liberal as I thought.
I have no idea why English British people want her back..at 15 you are not a naive child you know right from wrong groomed or not she made a choice and not only did she make the choice she stood by it even till this day..she watched laughed and agreed with the violence she saw and probably took part in against many British people might I add and now she wants to come back here to get a taxpayer funded house and lifestyle and English British people want her back? She is literally a terrorist and a threat to decent people..having her back will result in a terror event mark my words.
It was an idiotic decision by Javid at the time and it was entirely performative. It had absolutely nothing to do with national security.
There will have been several British citizens who went abroad to fight with terrorist organisations who were allowed to return home.
Begum became a high profile figure and a flagging government desperately tried to win some public approval by stripping her of her citizenship, effectively making her stateless.
It was a stupid thing to do, but we had a very stupid government, so it wasn’t too surprising.
This is going to be brilliant ammunition for Farage and his argument of leaving the ECHR
Fucking hell is she still moaning?
Its just a hopeless case of crocodile tears and excuses because she’s being denied all the luxuries of living in a First World nation, that she’s essentially said she wants to see razed to the ground.
She just wants to have her cake and eat it.
Many people of both sexes who went to join Isis have returned or been returned quietly to the UK – some served sentences, others not – no fuss in the media. Ms Begum’s problem is that she became the poster girl in the UK for Isis, so the media are all over her story and many of the public would be incensed at her return. About 360 known “fighters” have returned from t he estimated 900 who went out there. 20% were killed in action and about 100 have had their citizenshhip revoked So, Begum is not the only one. She could also become a “magnet” for extremism or perhaps she would end on I’m a celebrity… I’m not saying it is right that others returned to no publicity or opprobrium. They are all vile terrorists. Her alledged involvment with the enslaving, torture and rape of yazidi women is particularly awful.
This issue kinda points out why reform are doing so well
She became a terrorist and committed crimes in Syria and is now currently in a detention camp in Syria
To many people that sounds like the end of it, yet here we are, the government is having to defend its right to not house a terrorist that’s committed crimes in other countries.
I’m not a fan of reform or their ideas about leaving the ECHR.
But I can absolutely see why people are a fan of it.
As a fellow British Muslim I also say she should not be allowed back into the uk. She made her bed and should lie on it till her dying day.
She wasn’t some stupid silly kid, she knew exactly what she was doing when she went there to be with ISIS.
Well of course they’ll defend it. Just because the ECHR has been approached by Ms Begums legal champions to attempt to get the court to shoehorn her back into the country doesn’t mean it will be successful. But the court has to proceed, where a case is brought to them they can’t arbitrarily dismiss it without doing investigations and holding hearings on the matter.
If the government of its day did their job correctly, then there should be no legal loophole found but the checks and balances in our society mean these processes have to be gone through even though we think they’re preposterous.
Reminder to those who have forgotten that she only decided to “reject” (or say she did) ISIS ideology after they lost power and she suddenly needed a friendly host country to look after her.
Let her rot in whatever shithole country she’s currently living in.
If they can take her citizenship, guess what?
They can take yours too.
She’s never going to work a day in her life.
Why are we importing a jihadi that costs money