Can’t wait for strategic sovereignty armed with brand new F-35 /s
WarrenRedBarr on
The only way to defend Europe against the americans.
[deleted] on
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mariuszmie on
China America India Russia – they are all at most competition if not open hostile nations
None of the eu countries have a chance unless united
A common unified army
A common unified spy agency
A common unified commission with executive powers over them and much more invested in actual hard power independent of America
Own internet infrastructure
Own social media platforms
Own banking infrastructure
Own credit card/credit rating infrastructure and companies
Own unified resource acquisition from arms to medicine
Own satellite and nuclear development and launch infrastructure
Basically expand French policy eu-wide plus add cash from all eu
American is not our friend – at most they tolerate Europe if Europe is their lapdog and customer
Eu is ignored as a hard power and a soft power equally
ResourceWorker on
OK but call it something else
Affectionate_Front86 on
Doomsday redditors everywhere lol
sibilina8 on
Finally. When the war in Ukraine started they should have done bold movements to gain EU sovereignity. And even before, during Trump’s first madate you could see that he was not some to trust as a international ally.
redditor1235711 on
Does anybody have a link to the actual manifesto?
NoGravitasForSure on
About time.
brano117 on
Nothing ever happens
DirectActuator2356 on
I just know there’s some political analyst who is being paid well above their respective median to monitor this situation.
Grouchy_Conclusion45 on
The problem is there’s too much variation within Europe, and a lot of European countries are on a wealth and innovation killing death spiral. Whilst that’s going on, military independence is hard because noone wants to do what needs to be done.
Look at Ukraine for example, we all know the only way that ends is troops into Ukraine, yet years later we’ve still not done it as there’s no will. If we can’t even get defense of the realm right, god help us on anything else
AmbitiousYam1047 on
The future of Europe lay in the civilization-state.
Just as tribes could never protect you from a national entity, nations cannot protect us from a civilizational entity.
ex1tiumi on
World really went to shit in 2026 huh? And it’s just the first week.
Ain’t no effing way Europeans can agree on anything in any meaningful time frame.
Too much US influence, if not that then Russian. Best case scenario is fractured Europe to three parts: Nordic, East and West.
Be3Al2Si6O18-Cr on
Greenland might end up being a testing ground
chrisosv on
Hear hear. Get. It. Done!
New_Needleworker994 on
“50 intellectuals”
Ah, so they finally consulted reddit.
davidesquarise74 on
When stop blah blah and doing something? When it’s too late?
pc0999 on
No matter if you want or not a federelized EU, that is an horrible name that will only make people dislike the idea even more.
mredko on
It doesn’t have to start with the full EU. The countries where the idea has a wide acceptance can move ahead and merge (bonus points if one or more of the “big ones” was part).
TheoryOfDevolution on
>The list of supporters includes heavyweights like Jacques Attali and former WTO chief Pascal Lamy. While Western European leaders dominate the list, Eastern Europe is represented by only four figures, including former Romanian PM Petre Roman and philosopher Slavoj Žižek.
Federation is mostly a Western European thing.
drugosrbijanac on
United Nations of Europe is a more fitting name than USE
TraditionalClub6337 on
Well they gotta be pretty fckin fast. Europe had years to prepare for Trump but didn’t do anything. And now year before u.s took Venezuela. U.S absolutely can take Greenland right now if it wants to.
Busy-Preference-4377 on
And when the far-right takes control of a federalised Union? Then what?
Academic_Dig_1567 on
The irony of this is the United States of Europe idea has been around since the end of WWII, and was then a response to the USSR, but today it is being revived in response to US betrayal of the trans-Atlantic alliance.
Turbulent_Pin7635 on
Please choose other name. We already have United States of Brasil and United States of America, no need of United States of Europe.
EU is far better then USE. Think in the memes.
Kapot_ei on
lose the name, UEF or EU is fine
teomees on
A rehash. We’re all sure that it won’t happen at all but will always be proposed. Next story…
mpanase on
it’s gonna have to happen
the alternative is just so much worse
TaskDirect5148 on
Nope
agumonkey on
things need to get moving fast, even if just as a signal to trump that this will require some and cost some
IWillDevourYourToes on
Just FYI: It is true. I am one of those great intellectuals and we did decide to call for the European US. Hear our enlightened voices and prepare yourselves
WhatWouldTheonDo on
Nah fuck that, don’t want Eastern Europeans sharing elections with us. Our right wingers would capture them on day 1 and set us back generations.
GORKOfficial on
Europe doesn’t have the capacity.
Albekvol on
What happens to Europe’s relationship with Canada in this scenario?
What about Australia, the UK, New Zealand?
And what about people who are dual citizens of say an EU country (future federal EU) and Canada or Australia?
What about Switzerland and its forever neutrality, or the city states like San Marino, Monaco, The Vatican and Andorra?
What about the EU countries that refuse to be involved in our joined security like Austria and Ireland?
East-Profit-3754 on
This will never happen. Guys, you can’t even convince Swedes or Danes to adopt the Euro. Even small simple stuff is too much. Now you want to talk about a big European State? Lol.
InsignificantCookie on
I love watching people on reddit say “we have to do…” “we need to do…” As if they are important 😂
LTCM_15 on
Cool.
First step will be for France to give up control of their nukes and turn them over to Brussels, right?
Forsaken_Celery8197 on
United Countries of Europe
Small-Ad8992 on
Never.
VizzzyT on
The EU deserves to be the laughing stock it is. Giving up global dominance to become a camp follower to the US.
Lasershot-117 on
Necessity is the mother of innovation.
This needs to happen unfortunately. It’s a numbers game (territory, GDP, population, weapons, ressources,…).
Europe will either be Federated, or won’t be.
Either that, or Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland, Finland and Denmark should hurry up with getting their own Nukes and ICBMs.
ifuckinluvvmyboobs on
When the economic stability maintained through redistribution and production is sidelined by overt financialization and neoliberalism (and the EU is a neoliberal project) — which includes the utter lack of will for long-term planning — the picture I’m seeing for the future EU is rather a zombie neoliberal order. No actual European politician, even those who are against the establishment, speak about changing the core structural problems.
This lack of long-term planning and divorce from grand strategy (reminds me of WW1 and Germany in WW2) was not only painfully evident in the lead-up to the Ukrainian war, but now with China’s rise and Trump’s neo-mercantilism tearing apart the existing global world order, this strategic vacuum poses an even greater threat.
And no, the economic decline masked by renewed militarism and selective military industrial build-up is not the solution, when the structural issues are still there.
Film_Actors_Guide on
There isn’t enough innovation in Europe for it to defend itself against Russia, China or the US. Those countries are large, blessed with natural resources and have policies to grow their economies. There are obvious benefits to social democracies and welfare states compared to authoritarian regimes like Russia and China, but there are costs too, such as Europe’s brain drain to the United States, and more welfare means less for the military.
It’s unfortunate for Europe because after WW2 most countries probably assumed the US would always be an ally. But they have embraced policies that killed productivity and thus made them more reliant on a super power having their back. It seems like post-WW2 policies in Europe prioritized avoiding WW3 instead of being able to defend themselves if it happens.
There’s that quote along the lines of ‘those who don’t remember the past are doomed to repeat it.’ I think Europe remembers the past too well which, along with anti-growth polices, is why they’re in this predicament. Its strongest individual economies handicapped themselves to prevent intra-western European conflict, but did so at a cost to their individual military capabilities. It’s great that Germany won’t attack France, but not so great when neither of them can defend themselves.
Independent_Pitch598 on
So we are finally doing federalization? 🇪🇺
Ironvos on
Please don’t call it the united states, that term has been tainted for the next few centuries.
bebes_bewbs on
This is the only way for Europe to actually defend against a world where the US is completely unhinged. Otherwise it will be like “herding cats” when it tries to build up a coherent defense. Possibly worse when it comes to an actual conflict.
NoSignificance2377 on
A United States of Europe…. 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆
Sure…and I’ll be able to finally touch a woman….
cloud_t on
Every time I see these initiatives, they look like signaling Europe is weak.
It’s not.
Europe has never been stronger united as it is. Europe (not just the Union), including a strong Ukraine, is the reason Russia still hasn’t succeeded in Ukraine after THREE YEARS. Even the UK, despite Brexit, will stand alongside Europe before it stands with the US in the case of conflict. I am very positive of this. It’s in their best interest. Nuclear war is the only way any nation wins against Europe: Russia, US or China. Nuclear fallout of European soil will undoubtedly affect the UK. I’m not seeing UK people abandoning their country anytime soon.
What Europe needs is to stop relying so much on US, Russia and China. This is our main issue: everyone else is, in the event of war, pretty much self-sufficient on the basics – tech, defense, energy and overall economic dynamics. Europe has always relied on, trusted in, and made policy on the assumption of a peaceful, stable world. The world is far from stable.
…and we can achieve this with no need for federation or similar. What people chanting for this forced, “necessary” unification fail to understand is that what it will ultimately achieve is to divide us further. The EU and larger definition of Europe (now sans Russia, and somewhat abject of Turkey too) works as it does because we manage to do so with our differences respected between members and neighbors. The moment we force member states on things that federations usually do, is the moment member states will seek exit, and neighbors will lean on to the (other) big powers.
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Can’t wait for strategic sovereignty armed with brand new F-35 /s
The only way to defend Europe against the americans.
[removed]
China America India Russia – they are all at most competition if not open hostile nations
None of the eu countries have a chance unless united
A common unified army
A common unified spy agency
A common unified commission with executive powers over them and much more invested in actual hard power independent of America
Own internet infrastructure
Own social media platforms
Own banking infrastructure
Own credit card/credit rating infrastructure and companies
Own unified resource acquisition from arms to medicine
Own satellite and nuclear development and launch infrastructure
Basically expand French policy eu-wide plus add cash from all eu
American is not our friend – at most they tolerate Europe if Europe is their lapdog and customer
Eu is ignored as a hard power and a soft power equally
OK but call it something else
Doomsday redditors everywhere lol
Finally. When the war in Ukraine started they should have done bold movements to gain EU sovereignity. And even before, during Trump’s first madate you could see that he was not some to trust as a international ally.
Does anybody have a link to the actual manifesto?
About time.
Nothing ever happens
I just know there’s some political analyst who is being paid well above their respective median to monitor this situation.
The problem is there’s too much variation within Europe, and a lot of European countries are on a wealth and innovation killing death spiral. Whilst that’s going on, military independence is hard because noone wants to do what needs to be done.
Look at Ukraine for example, we all know the only way that ends is troops into Ukraine, yet years later we’ve still not done it as there’s no will. If we can’t even get defense of the realm right, god help us on anything else
The future of Europe lay in the civilization-state.
Just as tribes could never protect you from a national entity, nations cannot protect us from a civilizational entity.
World really went to shit in 2026 huh? And it’s just the first week.
Ain’t no effing way Europeans can agree on anything in any meaningful time frame.
Too much US influence, if not that then Russian. Best case scenario is fractured Europe to three parts: Nordic, East and West.
Greenland might end up being a testing ground
Hear hear. Get. It. Done!
“50 intellectuals”
Ah, so they finally consulted reddit.
When stop blah blah and doing something? When it’s too late?
No matter if you want or not a federelized EU, that is an horrible name that will only make people dislike the idea even more.
It doesn’t have to start with the full EU. The countries where the idea has a wide acceptance can move ahead and merge (bonus points if one or more of the “big ones” was part).
>The list of supporters includes heavyweights like Jacques Attali and former WTO chief Pascal Lamy. While Western European leaders dominate the list, Eastern Europe is represented by only four figures, including former Romanian PM Petre Roman and philosopher Slavoj Žižek.
Federation is mostly a Western European thing.
United Nations of Europe is a more fitting name than USE
Well they gotta be pretty fckin fast. Europe had years to prepare for Trump but didn’t do anything. And now year before u.s took Venezuela. U.S absolutely can take Greenland right now if it wants to.
And when the far-right takes control of a federalised Union? Then what?
The irony of this is the United States of Europe idea has been around since the end of WWII, and was then a response to the USSR, but today it is being revived in response to US betrayal of the trans-Atlantic alliance.
Please choose other name. We already have United States of Brasil and United States of America, no need of United States of Europe.
EU is far better then USE. Think in the memes.
lose the name, UEF or EU is fine
A rehash. We’re all sure that it won’t happen at all but will always be proposed. Next story…
it’s gonna have to happen
the alternative is just so much worse
Nope
things need to get moving fast, even if just as a signal to trump that this will require some and cost some
Just FYI: It is true. I am one of those great intellectuals and we did decide to call for the European US. Hear our enlightened voices and prepare yourselves
Nah fuck that, don’t want Eastern Europeans sharing elections with us. Our right wingers would capture them on day 1 and set us back generations.
Europe doesn’t have the capacity.
What happens to Europe’s relationship with Canada in this scenario?
What about Australia, the UK, New Zealand?
And what about people who are dual citizens of say an EU country (future federal EU) and Canada or Australia?
What about Switzerland and its forever neutrality, or the city states like San Marino, Monaco, The Vatican and Andorra?
What about the EU countries that refuse to be involved in our joined security like Austria and Ireland?
This will never happen. Guys, you can’t even convince Swedes or Danes to adopt the Euro. Even small simple stuff is too much. Now you want to talk about a big European State? Lol.
I love watching people on reddit say “we have to do…” “we need to do…” As if they are important 😂
Cool.
First step will be for France to give up control of their nukes and turn them over to Brussels, right?
United Countries of Europe
Never.
The EU deserves to be the laughing stock it is. Giving up global dominance to become a camp follower to the US.
Necessity is the mother of innovation.
This needs to happen unfortunately. It’s a numbers game (territory, GDP, population, weapons, ressources,…).
Europe will either be Federated, or won’t be.
Either that, or Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland, Finland and Denmark should hurry up with getting their own Nukes and ICBMs.
When the economic stability maintained through redistribution and production is sidelined by overt financialization and neoliberalism (and the EU is a neoliberal project) — which includes the utter lack of will for long-term planning — the picture I’m seeing for the future EU is rather a zombie neoliberal order. No actual European politician, even those who are against the establishment, speak about changing the core structural problems.
This lack of long-term planning and divorce from grand strategy (reminds me of WW1 and Germany in WW2) was not only painfully evident in the lead-up to the Ukrainian war, but now with China’s rise and Trump’s neo-mercantilism tearing apart the existing global world order, this strategic vacuum poses an even greater threat.
And no, the economic decline masked by renewed militarism and selective military industrial build-up is not the solution, when the structural issues are still there.
There isn’t enough innovation in Europe for it to defend itself against Russia, China or the US. Those countries are large, blessed with natural resources and have policies to grow their economies. There are obvious benefits to social democracies and welfare states compared to authoritarian regimes like Russia and China, but there are costs too, such as Europe’s brain drain to the United States, and more welfare means less for the military.
It’s unfortunate for Europe because after WW2 most countries probably assumed the US would always be an ally. But they have embraced policies that killed productivity and thus made them more reliant on a super power having their back. It seems like post-WW2 policies in Europe prioritized avoiding WW3 instead of being able to defend themselves if it happens.
There’s that quote along the lines of ‘those who don’t remember the past are doomed to repeat it.’ I think Europe remembers the past too well which, along with anti-growth polices, is why they’re in this predicament. Its strongest individual economies handicapped themselves to prevent intra-western European conflict, but did so at a cost to their individual military capabilities. It’s great that Germany won’t attack France, but not so great when neither of them can defend themselves.
So we are finally doing federalization? 🇪🇺
Please don’t call it the united states, that term has been tainted for the next few centuries.
This is the only way for Europe to actually defend against a world where the US is completely unhinged. Otherwise it will be like “herding cats” when it tries to build up a coherent defense. Possibly worse when it comes to an actual conflict.
A United States of Europe…. 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆
Sure…and I’ll be able to finally touch a woman….
Every time I see these initiatives, they look like signaling Europe is weak.
It’s not.
Europe has never been stronger united as it is. Europe (not just the Union), including a strong Ukraine, is the reason Russia still hasn’t succeeded in Ukraine after THREE YEARS. Even the UK, despite Brexit, will stand alongside Europe before it stands with the US in the case of conflict. I am very positive of this. It’s in their best interest. Nuclear war is the only way any nation wins against Europe: Russia, US or China. Nuclear fallout of European soil will undoubtedly affect the UK. I’m not seeing UK people abandoning their country anytime soon.
What Europe needs is to stop relying so much on US, Russia and China. This is our main issue: everyone else is, in the event of war, pretty much self-sufficient on the basics – tech, defense, energy and overall economic dynamics. Europe has always relied on, trusted in, and made policy on the assumption of a peaceful, stable world. The world is far from stable.
…and we can achieve this with no need for federation or similar. What people chanting for this forced, “necessary” unification fail to understand is that what it will ultimately achieve is to divide us further. The EU and larger definition of Europe (now sans Russia, and somewhat abject of Turkey too) works as it does because we manage to do so with our differences respected between members and neighbors. The moment we force member states on things that federations usually do, is the moment member states will seek exit, and neighbors will lean on to the (other) big powers.