Given our conventional defenses would be overwhelmed in literal minutes against an american invasion I really question the idea of a national drone strategy the author seems so fond of. I can’t see a single drone surviving the first strike the americans would unleash on us in a case of actual war whats the point?
almisami on
I’m sorry to say but the only deterrent we could have against the USA would be weapons of mass casualty like bacteriological agents that would give the USA a valid reason to invade us in the first place.
CzechUsOut on
We just need to tow the line with American policies and aspirations for the hemisphere. There is nothing we can do and the world is being carved up into three spheres of influence. Atleast it’s the best of the spheres to be subjected to.
THAAAT-AINT-FALCO on
This conversation keeps coming up, realistically our asymmetric options are limited to WMDs.Â
If things ever hit that point, asking France to join their nuclear umbrella seems the least bad option. Indeed, the Tourville tour this year seems to indicate they think so too.
suprmario on
We need to do everything we can as a country to both military prepare for this previously unthinkable scenario and economically prepare to insulate ourselves as much as we possibly can if the US goes full economic war against us (likely would come before any military action, if they ever went that far).
We need to coordinate and develop a drone program with Ukraine for starters. Even if this worst-case scenario doesn’t ever play out (I hope to hell it never does), we would still be positioning ourselves as a military production and innovation hub, which at the very least would boost our economy and help prepare us against any other future threats.
mwyvr on
More correctly, we need to buttress our military *and* military alliances with like-minded countries that believe in multilateralism and the rule of law. And those countries, along with Canada, need to minimize our economic dependence on the USA.
Guess what: this is the stated policy of the current government of Canada, in addition to ramping up our spending on the military to 5% of GDP and quickly so.
1) Cancel the gun buyback program and instead plow the savings into training into proper use of guns, and training a citizen militia. 2) Rapidly acquire tactical nukes and resolve to use them if necessary. 3) acquire a fleet of at least 100 Saab Gripens, and disperse them across the country in the far north. They are designed for that. Acquire nuclear subs for arctic sovereignty. Just a few ideas… but we’d better get started tout de suite.
lazlomass on
We need a couple of nuke subs and few ICBMs and we’re fine. For the life of me I am not sure why we never invested in this considering the exposure we have in the Arctic.
ninjplus on
I think the only hope at this point is to keep things on good terms and pray the big macs do their thing and hopefully whoever takes over has better plans than taking our country. There’s literally nothing that can be done in such a short amount of time to stop the US from annexing our country if that’s their goal. If we come out of this nightmare intact, hopefully some lessons are learned to prevent a similar scenario 10+ years from now.
IAmMyEnemyInEveryWay on
Sadly, we need our own nuclear weapons, but no political party will admit that and start an independent, domestic nuclear weapons programme.
Not disarming our populace would also be great.
Saberen on
“We’ll have an insurgency!” With what guns exactly? We voted for a government to remove them from law-abiding civilians.
Tanstaafl2100 on
All I will say is that we really don’t want to have a fight with our neighbour. But if it’s going to happen it’s better that it takes place in their house than in ours, just in case the drunk neighbour drops his cigarette and ends up burning the house down.
Trump loves a low price for gas. The U.S. also loves their moonshine in mason jars. BIC lighters are cheap. I’m sure that someone will figure out the rest.
PresenceThick on
Lmao, truth is half the people who have come to Canada wish they were American, and half the military aged Canadian born are so disenfranchised with the country and government they’d probably say fuck it what am I even defending?Â
The only people with anything to lose are the boomers and fringe groups living off the government.Â
Do I want to be American? No but let’s not kid ourselves that we have a chance in hell of defending ourselves.Â
hardk7 on
Given we can’t covertly develop our own nukes, a guarantee of defense from a nuclear armed ally (Britain or France) would likely be needed. But would Britain or France truly defend Canada’s sovereignty from the most powerful military in history? I don’t know anymore.
ABob71 on
Might be time to reconsider American access to the Whiskey Golf range. Letting the U.S. test torpedoes they might use against us could be counterproductive
Ga_Manche on
Thankfully, we have a prime minister whose poop demonstrates more understanding of strategic thinking and critical thinking skills than Cheetos Jesus. Putin has played Trump for the last year, it’s now our turn to play Trump like the circus clown that he is. As a Canadian, I for one am tired of the tariff shenanigans by Trump. Hopefully we can learn a lesson on diversification from these chaotic times.
Outside-Clock2940 on
It’s going to happen since our government is an extension of the CCP. Trump is going after China and their influence.
operatorfoxtrot on
This is just fear mongering by the media, don’t fall for it. Americans aren’t going to invade Canada in a conventional military sense. Another American civil war is more likely, (imo).
Canada has obvious improvements it needs to make to its military and needs a much larger budget.
mtldt on
The only thing canada can meaningfully develop in terms of deterrence is AI powered drone swarms with the capability to target broad scale critical infrastructure.
Having a nuke is cassus beli for any American gov, not even just this one, and also requires the will to use, which is so unappealing to any real Canadian that its a moot issue.
What we do need is something that can cause hundreds of billions in infrastructure damage making the cost too high to ever be palatable.
We can pursue our own drone / delivery programs quietly, meet our military increase contributions, and have something which can truly make us indigestible.
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Given our conventional defenses would be overwhelmed in literal minutes against an american invasion I really question the idea of a national drone strategy the author seems so fond of. I can’t see a single drone surviving the first strike the americans would unleash on us in a case of actual war whats the point?
I’m sorry to say but the only deterrent we could have against the USA would be weapons of mass casualty like bacteriological agents that would give the USA a valid reason to invade us in the first place.
We just need to tow the line with American policies and aspirations for the hemisphere. There is nothing we can do and the world is being carved up into three spheres of influence. Atleast it’s the best of the spheres to be subjected to.
This conversation keeps coming up, realistically our asymmetric options are limited to WMDs.Â
If things ever hit that point, asking France to join their nuclear umbrella seems the least bad option. Indeed, the Tourville tour this year seems to indicate they think so too.
We need to do everything we can as a country to both military prepare for this previously unthinkable scenario and economically prepare to insulate ourselves as much as we possibly can if the US goes full economic war against us (likely would come before any military action, if they ever went that far).
We need to coordinate and develop a drone program with Ukraine for starters. Even if this worst-case scenario doesn’t ever play out (I hope to hell it never does), we would still be positioning ourselves as a military production and innovation hub, which at the very least would boost our economy and help prepare us against any other future threats.
More correctly, we need to buttress our military *and* military alliances with like-minded countries that believe in multilateralism and the rule of law. And those countries, along with Canada, need to minimize our economic dependence on the USA.
Guess what: this is the stated policy of the current government of Canada, in addition to ramping up our spending on the military to 5% of GDP and quickly so.
I’m no military strategist by a long shot. I imagine thé us plan would involve occupying Ottawa and the arctic. Then pressure our provinces to just join them. They wouldn’t want to charge in from the south and cause to much destruction, including a nuclear aggression. It’s too much.
1) Cancel the gun buyback program and instead plow the savings into training into proper use of guns, and training a citizen militia. 2) Rapidly acquire tactical nukes and resolve to use them if necessary. 3) acquire a fleet of at least 100 Saab Gripens, and disperse them across the country in the far north. They are designed for that. Acquire nuclear subs for arctic sovereignty. Just a few ideas… but we’d better get started tout de suite.
We need a couple of nuke subs and few ICBMs and we’re fine. For the life of me I am not sure why we never invested in this considering the exposure we have in the Arctic.
I think the only hope at this point is to keep things on good terms and pray the big macs do their thing and hopefully whoever takes over has better plans than taking our country. There’s literally nothing that can be done in such a short amount of time to stop the US from annexing our country if that’s their goal. If we come out of this nightmare intact, hopefully some lessons are learned to prevent a similar scenario 10+ years from now.
Sadly, we need our own nuclear weapons, but no political party will admit that and start an independent, domestic nuclear weapons programme.
Not disarming our populace would also be great.
“We’ll have an insurgency!” With what guns exactly? We voted for a government to remove them from law-abiding civilians.
All I will say is that we really don’t want to have a fight with our neighbour. But if it’s going to happen it’s better that it takes place in their house than in ours, just in case the drunk neighbour drops his cigarette and ends up burning the house down.
Trump loves a low price for gas. The U.S. also loves their moonshine in mason jars. BIC lighters are cheap. I’m sure that someone will figure out the rest.
Lmao, truth is half the people who have come to Canada wish they were American, and half the military aged Canadian born are so disenfranchised with the country and government they’d probably say fuck it what am I even defending?Â
The only people with anything to lose are the boomers and fringe groups living off the government.Â
Do I want to be American? No but let’s not kid ourselves that we have a chance in hell of defending ourselves.Â
Given we can’t covertly develop our own nukes, a guarantee of defense from a nuclear armed ally (Britain or France) would likely be needed. But would Britain or France truly defend Canada’s sovereignty from the most powerful military in history? I don’t know anymore.
Might be time to reconsider American access to the Whiskey Golf range. Letting the U.S. test torpedoes they might use against us could be counterproductive
Thankfully, we have a prime minister whose poop demonstrates more understanding of strategic thinking and critical thinking skills than Cheetos Jesus. Putin has played Trump for the last year, it’s now our turn to play Trump like the circus clown that he is. As a Canadian, I for one am tired of the tariff shenanigans by Trump. Hopefully we can learn a lesson on diversification from these chaotic times.
It’s going to happen since our government is an extension of the CCP. Trump is going after China and their influence.
This is just fear mongering by the media, don’t fall for it. Americans aren’t going to invade Canada in a conventional military sense. Another American civil war is more likely, (imo).
Canada has obvious improvements it needs to make to its military and needs a much larger budget.
The only thing canada can meaningfully develop in terms of deterrence is AI powered drone swarms with the capability to target broad scale critical infrastructure.
Having a nuke is cassus beli for any American gov, not even just this one, and also requires the will to use, which is so unappealing to any real Canadian that its a moot issue.
What we do need is something that can cause hundreds of billions in infrastructure damage making the cost too high to ever be palatable.
We can pursue our own drone / delivery programs quietly, meet our military increase contributions, and have something which can truly make us indigestible.