How far Nazi Germany went into the USSR(1941) compared to how much it went into Russia
It surprised me how little of Russia it actually took. I know the European part of Russia is where the population and all the important stuff is but still if we purely base it on land then it’s pretty cool.
The map with moscow labelled doesn’t make sense to me, what happened to the battle of moscow?
lesefant on
>”german advance”
>look inside
>finland
WesandlabeA on
fr they barely got past the front yard
AleksandrNevsky on
>It surprised me how little of Russia it actually took.
In spite of that they still managed to kill an estimated 26 million Soviets most of which were civilians.
Whyyyyyyy__ on
crazy how much land they grabbed before it all fell apart
stormspirit97 on
One wonders if the Soviet Union hadn’t built up a buffer zone in the west beforehand if they even would have survived. Certainly they would have likely been pushed back further into Russia.
StrongFaithlessness5 on
As you said most of Russia is in Europe so that’s actually a lot. Being able to conquer Moscow means conquering the entirety of Russia. It would’ve been game over. No wonder US, UK and France decided to help the Soviet Union despite it being a Nazis’ ally at the beginning of the war.
icancount192 on
This map is very inaccurate and leaves many nuisances aside that can’t be easily explained by just looking at a map.
The Nazis reached Lobnya just outside of Moscow, Voronezh and Utta just outside Astrakhan in the Caucasus. Around 20% to 25% of European Russia was occupied.
And the reason it didn’t go further is because the three prong attack stopped in 3 key cities – Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingrad which are just at the border of this 25%. If Moscow or Leningrad had fallen like Kiev did, then it would be closer to 30 or 40% of the map.
Asdas26 on
Sounds like you’re underestimating how big non-Russian part of European USSR was. It’s a lot of republics and Ukraine is pretty big.
FregomGorbom on
Pretty damn inaccurate map, and even if it were [accurate] that’s a bloody lot of Russia’s industrial and population centers at the time.
EmperorThorX on
Russia proper got it rather easy
Bal-lax on
Second map looks off
– they got close to the outskirts of Moscow
Moist-Dependent5241 on
Finland must have been shitting it when they pushed back.
Martybbz22 on
Whilst I’m not surprised they were pushed back due to the sheer man power the Soviets had along with allied support, I still find it slightly surprising that the Germans didn’t capture both Leningrad and Stalingrad first before the retreat and defeat.
GustavoistSoldier on
Thanks for differentiating between the USSR and Russia.
Far-Collection8595 on
Two maps contradict each other.Â
jockfist5000 on
This is insanely wrong, they got to a few miles from Moscow.
Deep_Head4645 on
And what does this mean?
I mean, they still took huge parts of soviet territory and USSR proper
sidestephen on
“Why does Russia think it needs a buffer zone?”
That’s why.
confidentlyfish on
These are not the borders of modern Russia. The map isn’t accurate either.
Bilaakili on
The map labels Finnish advanced as German.
Brave-Two372 on
A big part of the territory is just something that Soviets had annexed and occupied the year earlier and wasn’t as strongly fortified. There were no public support for the Soviets in these regions making it easier for Germans to capture these lands.
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The map with moscow labelled doesn’t make sense to me, what happened to the battle of moscow?
>”german advance”
>look inside
>finland
fr they barely got past the front yard
>It surprised me how little of Russia it actually took.
In spite of that they still managed to kill an estimated 26 million Soviets most of which were civilians.
crazy how much land they grabbed before it all fell apart
One wonders if the Soviet Union hadn’t built up a buffer zone in the west beforehand if they even would have survived. Certainly they would have likely been pushed back further into Russia.
As you said most of Russia is in Europe so that’s actually a lot. Being able to conquer Moscow means conquering the entirety of Russia. It would’ve been game over. No wonder US, UK and France decided to help the Soviet Union despite it being a Nazis’ ally at the beginning of the war.
This map is very inaccurate and leaves many nuisances aside that can’t be easily explained by just looking at a map.
The Nazis reached Lobnya just outside of Moscow, Voronezh and Utta just outside Astrakhan in the Caucasus. Around 20% to 25% of European Russia was occupied.
And the reason it didn’t go further is because the three prong attack stopped in 3 key cities – Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingrad which are just at the border of this 25%. If Moscow or Leningrad had fallen like Kiev did, then it would be closer to 30 or 40% of the map.
Sounds like you’re underestimating how big non-Russian part of European USSR was. It’s a lot of republics and Ukraine is pretty big.
Pretty damn inaccurate map, and even if it were [accurate] that’s a bloody lot of Russia’s industrial and population centers at the time.
Russia proper got it rather easy
Second map looks off
– they got close to the outskirts of Moscow
Finland must have been shitting it when they pushed back.
Whilst I’m not surprised they were pushed back due to the sheer man power the Soviets had along with allied support, I still find it slightly surprising that the Germans didn’t capture both Leningrad and Stalingrad first before the retreat and defeat.
Thanks for differentiating between the USSR and Russia.
Two maps contradict each other.Â
This is insanely wrong, they got to a few miles from Moscow.
And what does this mean?
I mean, they still took huge parts of soviet territory and USSR proper
“Why does Russia think it needs a buffer zone?”
That’s why.
These are not the borders of modern Russia. The map isn’t accurate either.
The map labels Finnish advanced as German.
A big part of the territory is just something that Soviets had annexed and occupied the year earlier and wasn’t as strongly fortified. There were no public support for the Soviets in these regions making it easier for Germans to capture these lands.