Lads,
Can we talk about the fact that this is no longer a competition for kids but really their adult parents or guides using this as a way to win something?
The current winner is 15 year old and her submission was "GlioScope: Multi-task Deep Learning and Causal AI for Glioma & Glioblastoma Profiling" can we get ta fuck with trying to believe a 15 year old came up with and completed this?
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Posted by lifeandtimes89
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It’s actually not BT anymore it’s Stripe, like the one Homer used to make the nuclear power plant look pretty sharp
BT Young Scientist, not BT Young Innovator.
It is to encourage interest in science in schools. The kids are doing science. Mission accomplished. Even great science discoveries are built on foundations provided by others/those who went before.
There are serious young coders out there, cop on
Just because you were thick as a ditch at 15 doesn’t mean everyone is
Yeah, its all done by their parents, which is why a former winner who turned their parents project into a successful business presented the award.
Just because these kids are smarter than you doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get an award.
Given that I know teenagers who would give that a shot I can absolutely believe that.
It’s not BT now, it’s Stripe, you know, the company which made it’s two founders, now worth multiple billions each, and the Collison brothers, who previously won the BTYSE and went on from their project on cryptography for payments to become what they are now.
Do you think they coffee their project too?
You understand there’s tonnes or scientists who are judges and grill the winners constantly over the week to quiz them on their methods?
Was shortlisted in the 80s. I built a laser. All by ourselves. Only needed parents money. The rest was pretty much my doing.
It’s supposed to be a power plant not Aunt Beulahs bordello!!
Tell me you don’t know any teenagers with an interest and aptitude for science without telling me
I’m waiting to hear what biomedical company her parents work at??? Fair play to them but it couldn’t be a 15 year old coming up with this?
I don’t agree – know a few people who were in it back in the day and they certainly were not their parents’ projects.
Honestly think sneering at kids doing their best in a science and technology event is a bit low.
If someone created a machine which converted the misery of r/Ireland into a useable energy source they would win the BT Young Scientist
Im guessing you didnt actually read what it was that she created, beyond the headline. It was essentially a model trained on recognising what glioblastomas look like vs. benign tumors. Plenty of teens are coding these days and can easily train a model. This girl was bright enough to have the skills, the idea and the work ethic
OP there were some actual ground breaking projects this year and every year. There might be a handful of clangers but at least they’re trying their best to achieve something.
It’s not for the winners, per se, a lot of exhibits are just projects on a subject, rather than an innovation.
Scientific literacy is always a good thing. This promotes that.
That and doing history and critical thinking are way more useful than a lot of the shit inflicted on kids to get a good leaving cert….
You’re telling on yourself here. There are plenty of very gifted 15 year olds with a passion for science/computer science.
Just because you can’t imagine your 15 year old self being capable of this doesn’t mean it’s impossible.
Last year at 14 she won a section award with “Neurovision” AI . Her da owns a company called Daly innovations out of university of Limerick so you can see where her interests come from.
wish her well.
Science is iterative.
As a researcher, I add the next few percent to something. The majority of any project I ever work on will have been long figured out by someone in the past. Maybe a supervisor of mine, or maybe we just read a paper by them that we liked and then added to it.
In future someone will take my research and add on to it.
That’s the reality of science. Everyone is building on top of everyone else, and it’s how we keep pushing forward.
It’s just labelling data and feeding it into a neural network to generate a model. Anyone could do it if they were bothered.
Of our kids, one has zero interest. Even if I did it all for her she’d have no interest. So fair play to that girl for taking an interest 🙌🙌🙌
I’m a teacher who had an intermediate student in the competition. He devised the project all by himself. Collected and tabulated the data all by himself. Wrote the report, with citations, proper structure and layout, by himself. It was in a topic I had 0 clue about until I sat down and was explained the nature of it **by him**. He was passionate about it to a fault when he walked away with nothing tonight.
Just because you weren’t interested to a point of cynicism at 15 doesn’t mean every 15 year old is. A lot of these kids put their heart and soul into this and because you can’t imagine putting 1/4 as much work into anything in your life, “it must be the parents/teachers doing it for them”. Says more about how you must deal with your problems than about them.
Is it a rule on this sub that every post has to start with the word ‘lads’ or ‘ah lads’
This is a little funny to read. Me and my friends all did different BT young scientist projects back in the day. My boyfriend won his category even. There are smart kids all over this country. CTYI does great work.
There are lots of young people who take part in this and present research completed all by themselves but I get where the OP is coming from.
There are lots of examples from the YSE where it’s obvious that the help they’ve gotten has gone well beyond mentoring. The scientist parent with a speciality in X has a child winner also in X, come on.
It actually does a disservice to the young people who do not have access to that kind of resource and attempt the projects with the aid of interested teachers that mentor and not do.
In all fairness, at least they are using the advantages of having parents who are either in those fields or wealthy to good use.
Who was that lad from Cork that won a few years ago and his entire project was found in a paper his Ma had published in her role as a professor at UCC, I remember he used the university-level lab of her collaborator for his ‘research’. There is an awful bang of advanced help from a lot of projects, it is a real shame.
I’m mates with someone who was in this yolk and I’m sorry to tell ya that yes indeed children are smarter than you, just because you weren’t smart enough to be involved doesn’t mean their parents helped. I couldn’t even begin to describe whatever nonsense project my mate did but I guarantee you after I met his dad I knew for a fact he didn’t have help. It’s the kind of little Einsteins that’ll get perfect scores in the leaving cert and still be meeting up with you every weekend leading up to them
Guy in my school came third in the BT young scientist he went to Cambridge to do physics, there are plenty of geniuses in the country, like it isn’t a school project where a parent just does it for the kid and they win the parents would need to be geniuses themselves to make a winning project for them
In this thread: baseless attacks on OP, very few living in reality
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Stripe young scientist!
Nice of Micheál Martin to pop in to do the judging…
Preach OP. When I was 15, all of us, nay the best of us, were kicking rocks at each other for fun. This was back before science was invented of course.
My favorite one was that girl a couple of years ago that conducted an experiment related to “big Irish heads”. It was ultimately inconclusive but did bring phrenology back for a brief moment.
Deep learning modelling is incredibly accessible these days. You can be up and running in like 10 minutes if you have a bit of prior programming experience. Beyond that, you just need a dataset, a research question and a bunch of time to play around with the parameters of the model, and bam, you have your project.
Good for hey sounds like she worked hard.
It’s always been this way, same with school projects. Teachers would always praise the student who had obvious help from a parent, award them the winner and scold the rest of us for not being up to the same standard. TBF, after I finished school, I quickly learned that all those who excelled in life were guided and encouraged by their parents throughout, while I was left alone without any encouragement or guidance, which hindered me throughout my years for obvious reasons. If I showed interest in anything, they didn’t even acknowledge it, let alone encourage it.
This post and comments capture the misery and elitism on this sub.
OP made a pretty miserable post but has some valid talking points but the comments in reponse to how he is drop out shows the elitism here and some of the comments are misery as well.
It seems the winner is very gifted but likely got alot of help and coaching.
Yes Young Scientist shows off the gifted kids but dont forget there are loads of good projects and hard work out there by non gifted students.
Also in life background does matter and if this winner parents are indeed from an AI company then she would have advantages.
OP is also entirely right about parents pushing and living throygh their kids, it is become frightenly common in alot of aspects of kids lives by parents. Ask any undrrage coach or teacher.
There’s a saying in education. ‘If you want to assess the parents, assign a project.’