‘You can be against Trump and celebrate that Maduro is gone’: Venezuelans protest in Dublin

There is no middle ground anymore it seems

For balance, there’s a significant portion of Venezuelans in Venezuela who support Maduro, but you won’t read about that in the Irish Times. See: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DTLipySilzd/?igsh=MWwxaDlzZjRvZjhsMw==

I wouldn’t piss on either if they were on fire.

but I do think its an incredibly dangerous precedent to set

Literally every bit of coverage I hear about Venezuela starts by saying “Maduro was a terrible person and no one is sad that he is gone but …”.

The problem is that the West will straight up lie or exagerate to justify what it does. Is Maduro as bad as the West says he is? Is he any worse than the American goverment for example? I have no way of knowing.

Also, he does have support in Venezula, as well as those opposed to him. He may very well be awful, but again I have no way of knowing as the West will happily villify its enemies, while for example pretending the Al Qaeda regime in Syria who are mudering Kurds right now are wonderful people and giving them millions.

I don’t get the hate for him. Under unbelievable trade sanctions he kept his country going, bad stuff happened there. Things just as bad happen here under zero trade sanctions.

Not so long ago we had a taoiseach that caused the needless deaths of multiple women and yet he had no repercussions what so ever

This was simply performative nonsense given the maduro administration at large is still operating full steam ahead. You can be against maduro and setting a precedent where a pedophile tyrant can kidnap any foreign leader they don’t like, whether they’re hated by their people or not.

This and how are we falling for Iraq war level propaganda again? You can cry “Venezuela is not the Middle East” until you’re blue in the face but that doesn’t change the history of us intervention in Iraq nor the litany of southern American countries thy have directly created multiple crises in .

It’s also important to note that Venezuelan migrants are targeted for deportation by ICE whether they’re legal immigrants or not; and this is covered by the highly censored 60 minutes coverage of CECOT you all need to watch .

Edit: I would like to point this out to people who don’t know how our elections work and why they’re generally dysfunctional; we are under the mob rule of racists who have worked very hard for a long time to suppress and oppress any and all opposition. Only 22% of the total American population voted for Trump. I did not vote for Trump, and 75 million people who turned out didn’t either. His margin for the win was only 1.5% of the votes. This is besides the fact that voter suppression is rampant, and ballots went missing. With everything that is known about this cheating, lying, rapist, who colludes so openly with Russia to meddle with our own elections; to paint all of us with the same brush like we chose this is just disgustingly ignorant. To assume, after events like January 6 where he openly and violently tried to overturn an election, that he could have ever won in an honest landslide is a total farce. I hate the fact that my country is a joke to the world. You would be sick of it too if it were you. And for those telling me to act individually and pull the trigger myself to be redeemed; nice try FedAss.

Shortsighted as you can get.

Then why are you counter-protesting?

Yeah, you can. And I have an issue with emigres from a place demanding things the people back at home have to live with. When Obama tried to normalise relations with Cuba somewhat, Cuban exiles sentimental because they wanted as much pressure as possible on the regime. But you know what? Those changes would’ve really helped their “fellow” Cubans In Cuba. But they didn’t give a toss about them. Right now things are slightly worse in Venezuela and it’s up in the air as to where things go next. Big words from leafy Dublin.

Yes, you can. Are you incapable of holding two thoughts simultaneously?

That 8 million who have been fleeing Venezuela since 2015 don’t know anything. Starving people? Nah, the Irish left know better.

“Do you condemn Hamas” has become “Do you condemn Maduro”.

Most people don’t give a shite about Maduro, clearly he was a crap leader who oversaw a wildly dysfunctional state. What people are concerned about is the increasing possibility of a dysfunctional *world* precipitated by the normalisation of obviously illegal interventions by the likes of the US. “Might Makes Right” Imperial politics is a greater risk to the world as a whole than anything that was going on in Venezuela.