The DHS was created to solve a problem. The various intelligence agencies were not sharing information with each other and stuff was getting lost in the mix.
However, that does not require a department at NEARLY the scale as what DHS has become.
ICE needs to go, it was an immigrant wishlist snuck into an anti-terrorism bill, what few necessary functions it performed were taken from other organizations, but DHS just needs to be pruned with a chainsaw.
Orwells_Roses on
The behavior of Republicans and what they’ve done to our federal agencies has convinced me that police forces as we have them in the US aren’t necessary. Everything could be done with sending people tickets in the mail except for the most egregious offenses.
I never felt this way until 2020.
ic_Warthog on
there is still a polite norms and standards contingent within democrats, that believes this issue can be won with civility and turning down the temperature while maintaining status quo.
but look at ice recruitment ads, they are literally saying this is war. dhs has a goal to deport 100 million people. roughly 1/3rd of our population. that is why they are targeting legal immigrants who are just waiting upcoming hearings. that’s why they are doing show of force militant maneuvers, canvassing entire neighborhoods by going door to door harassing us citizens far more than actually dealing with any type of immigrants.
these are war tactics.
these people are in their hearts part of civil war 2.0. and their first focus is ethnic cleansing.
abolish ice is the floor. that is the bare minimum if we are ever going to get this country back.
TemptTigresss on
DHS was meant to fix intel sharing, but it’s ballooned out of control. ICE’s a mess, born from a ‘wish list’ tacked onto an anti-terror bill. Absolutely time for a major overhaul
Eridanosvoid on
It will be a hilarious inverse when the next Dem President dismantles the DHS and restores the Dept of Education.
RoosterMedical on
When the terrorists didn’t show up ICE should have been disbanded and wasn’t and is instead another component of the police state that has grown around the citizens.
BlushBunnayy on
Time to overhaul those inhumane bastards
manniesalado on
Exactly. These are all new police forces that seem to duplicate the mandates of ones that already existed. What does DHS do that the FBI could not?
Cheating_Data_Monkey on
ICE has a firearm death rate 10x the US average since Trump was re-elected.
It appears it’s past time to abolish them.
SiteTall on
ICE is just another word for “SS”, and it should not be accepted in the USA
MedSPAZ on
I was called a terrorist sympathizer for being against creating the DHS back in the early 2000s.
80sLegoDystopia on
Yep. 100%. Long overdue.
Apprehensive-hippos on
DHS was the biggest mistake of post 9/11. Instead of fixing the issues identified post those terrorist attacks, they conglomerated the issues by smooshing together disparate and different agencies under an already leaking umbrella, without explicitly identifying, and correcting, what did or did not lead to what happened that day.
StrongAroma on
Put the entirety of the Trump family and everyone even remotely connected to the heritage foundation in prison and throw away the key, while you’re at it.
FrostySquirrel820 on
ICE are a symptom of the problem.
There’s no way they will be abolished without changing the president and his Projected 2025 handlers.
ltalix on
I mean we probably have to hang on to some smaller sort of ICE successor, but hell yeah let’s get rid of DHS. I miss the pre-9/11 world. DHS was a doubious idea at the time. I think we can see it’s been a terrible mistake in reality.
AndyMagandy on
The whole Patriot act
alloutofchewingum on
It’s an administrative partial birth abortion that was misconceived from the beginning.
ListenToItMag on
I am a single issue voter going into 2026 and that issue is dismantling ICE and prosecuting every single employee and member of this administration.
ashewinter on
Throw in the DEA for good measure
gertiesgushingash on
trump should be removed from office. plain and simple.
Yosho2k on
Abolish ICE and DHS?
Trump:”No.”
Senate Republicans: “No.”
House Republicans: “No.”
Senate Democrats: “No.”
House Democrats: “No.”
Schumer and Pelosi have more in common with the Republicans than they do with us.
Both groups have done nothing but curtail our freedoms ever since 9/11, which was exactly what Bin Laden wanted us to do to ourselves the whole time. They need to go, and the entire system needs to be overhauled.
Twiyah on
All this admin is proving the Exec has too much power, perhaps being commander in chief and controlling power over all agencies without any form of oversight is a bit too much. DOJ needs to be its own thing another branch if you will.
NearbyChampionship90 on
> “If you’ve been watching reportage and viral videos of immigration raids over the last six months, you’ll remember that often there will be law enforcement officers or agents with uniforms that simply say “DHS Police.” Not Immigration and Customs Enforcement or Customs and Border Patrol, just “DHS Police.” As far as I know, there is no such agency under DHS. DHS employs some 80,000 law enforcement officers spread across nine agencies and offices. So I think that the uniforms just provide a general designation that these are law enforcement officers from within the Department of Homeland Security. That’s a vast amount of coercive power concentrated in this one department, notwithstanding the fact that most of these offices and agencies exist for fairly narrow areas of enforcement, administering points of entry into the U.S., inspecting persons and luggage getting on to commercial passenger jets, protecting federal officials and federal installations.
But what was clear from DHS’s creation was that that power could all be directed and concentrated toward some corrupt or illegitimate purpose. And that, among many other things, is what we’ve seen over the last year.”
Consistent-Top-2409 on
Abolish *Representative* Democracy.
I’m tired of voting for *People.* I wanna be able to vote for policy.
obligatorythr0waway on
Both agencies are less than 30 years old.
We got on fine without them before and they’ve exposed themselves as dangers to our communities, beholden not to our citizens but to a dictator and his sycophants at the drop of a hat.
It’s time.
Tamotefu on
And while we’re at it, Rescind the Patriot Act.
John_Quixote_407 on
Fuck the Secret /pol/ICE.
FyreWulff on
We still need to repeat the Patriot Act in full, and everything connected to it.
Kardest on
No, We can keep them around.
We can have our cake and eat it too. The problem is they need to be held accountable for there actions.
It’s clear that immunity in any form is a mistake at this point.
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The DHS was created to solve a problem. The various intelligence agencies were not sharing information with each other and stuff was getting lost in the mix.
However, that does not require a department at NEARLY the scale as what DHS has become.
ICE needs to go, it was an immigrant wishlist snuck into an anti-terrorism bill, what few necessary functions it performed were taken from other organizations, but DHS just needs to be pruned with a chainsaw.
The behavior of Republicans and what they’ve done to our federal agencies has convinced me that police forces as we have them in the US aren’t necessary. Everything could be done with sending people tickets in the mail except for the most egregious offenses.
I never felt this way until 2020.
there is still a polite norms and standards contingent within democrats, that believes this issue can be won with civility and turning down the temperature while maintaining status quo.
but look at ice recruitment ads, they are literally saying this is war. dhs has a goal to deport 100 million people. roughly 1/3rd of our population. that is why they are targeting legal immigrants who are just waiting upcoming hearings. that’s why they are doing show of force militant maneuvers, canvassing entire neighborhoods by going door to door harassing us citizens far more than actually dealing with any type of immigrants.
these are war tactics.
these people are in their hearts part of civil war 2.0. and their first focus is ethnic cleansing.
abolish ice is the floor. that is the bare minimum if we are ever going to get this country back.
DHS was meant to fix intel sharing, but it’s ballooned out of control. ICE’s a mess, born from a ‘wish list’ tacked onto an anti-terror bill. Absolutely time for a major overhaul
It will be a hilarious inverse when the next Dem President dismantles the DHS and restores the Dept of Education.
When the terrorists didn’t show up ICE should have been disbanded and wasn’t and is instead another component of the police state that has grown around the citizens.
Time to overhaul those inhumane bastards
Exactly. These are all new police forces that seem to duplicate the mandates of ones that already existed. What does DHS do that the FBI could not?
ICE has a firearm death rate 10x the US average since Trump was re-elected.
It appears it’s past time to abolish them.
ICE is just another word for “SS”, and it should not be accepted in the USA
I was called a terrorist sympathizer for being against creating the DHS back in the early 2000s.
Yep. 100%. Long overdue.
DHS was the biggest mistake of post 9/11. Instead of fixing the issues identified post those terrorist attacks, they conglomerated the issues by smooshing together disparate and different agencies under an already leaking umbrella, without explicitly identifying, and correcting, what did or did not lead to what happened that day.
Put the entirety of the Trump family and everyone even remotely connected to the heritage foundation in prison and throw away the key, while you’re at it.
ICE are a symptom of the problem.
There’s no way they will be abolished without changing the president and his Projected 2025 handlers.
I mean we probably have to hang on to some smaller sort of ICE successor, but hell yeah let’s get rid of DHS. I miss the pre-9/11 world. DHS was a doubious idea at the time. I think we can see it’s been a terrible mistake in reality.
The whole Patriot act
It’s an administrative partial birth abortion that was misconceived from the beginning.
I am a single issue voter going into 2026 and that issue is dismantling ICE and prosecuting every single employee and member of this administration.
Throw in the DEA for good measure
trump should be removed from office. plain and simple.
Abolish ICE and DHS?
Trump:”No.”
Senate Republicans: “No.”
House Republicans: “No.”
Senate Democrats: “No.”
House Democrats: “No.”
Schumer and Pelosi have more in common with the Republicans than they do with us.
https://www.cnn.com/2026/01/08/politics/ice-minneapolis-shooting-funding-democrats-shutdown
Both groups have done nothing but curtail our freedoms ever since 9/11, which was exactly what Bin Laden wanted us to do to ourselves the whole time. They need to go, and the entire system needs to be overhauled.
All this admin is proving the Exec has too much power, perhaps being commander in chief and controlling power over all agencies without any form of oversight is a bit too much. DOJ needs to be its own thing another branch if you will.
> “If you’ve been watching reportage and viral videos of immigration raids over the last six months, you’ll remember that often there will be law enforcement officers or agents with uniforms that simply say “DHS Police.” Not Immigration and Customs Enforcement or Customs and Border Patrol, just “DHS Police.” As far as I know, there is no such agency under DHS. DHS employs some 80,000 law enforcement officers spread across nine agencies and offices. So I think that the uniforms just provide a general designation that these are law enforcement officers from within the Department of Homeland Security. That’s a vast amount of coercive power concentrated in this one department, notwithstanding the fact that most of these offices and agencies exist for fairly narrow areas of enforcement, administering points of entry into the U.S., inspecting persons and luggage getting on to commercial passenger jets, protecting federal officials and federal installations.
But what was clear from DHS’s creation was that that power could all be directed and concentrated toward some corrupt or illegitimate purpose. And that, among many other things, is what we’ve seen over the last year.”
Abolish *Representative* Democracy.
I’m tired of voting for *People.* I wanna be able to vote for policy.
Both agencies are less than 30 years old.
We got on fine without them before and they’ve exposed themselves as dangers to our communities, beholden not to our citizens but to a dictator and his sycophants at the drop of a hat.
It’s time.
And while we’re at it, Rescind the Patriot Act.
Fuck the Secret /pol/ICE.
We still need to repeat the Patriot Act in full, and everything connected to it.
No, We can keep them around.
We can have our cake and eat it too. The problem is they need to be held accountable for there actions.
It’s clear that immunity in any form is a mistake at this point.