Will they? Probably not. Should they? Absolutely, or else it should jeopardize their chances of PR at all. It was refreshing to read an article on the topic from a lawyer who laid out the essential privilege basis of citizenship. No one has an inherent right to anywhere. There are rules, processes, and discretion exercised by sovereign nations as to who and how many get to come in through immigration avenues. It shouldn’t be a big cognitive jump to realize that, yet in so many articles there’s this underlying sense of entitlement to PR success. I have to say, this was a refreshing read.
Jazzlike_770 on
Would they? Probably not.
Will they? Yes, if we ensure:
* no services are available to those without PR status (airtight checks)
* No mercy if any crime is committed ( over $5K)
Our system is lenient at an extreme.
sgtmattie on
The vast majority will leave on time. Another group will straggle and try to make staying undocumented work, but eventually also leave within a couple years because that life sucks. A smaller portion will stick around long term, but the longer they stay the harder it gets. Your life is basically on hold.
The problem isn’t going to fix itself, but the majority of temporary migrants coming to Canada would still have a better life back home than thy would be while undocumented here, because we make living without documentation extremely difficult, which is by design, because there are other ways to encourage departure beyond enforcement.
enki-42 on
This is a frustrating article. At no point does it attempt to quantify the percentage of temporary residents who overstay their visas, outside of a very rough overall number that is impossible to tie back to the overall population. It makes some claims about asylum applicants, who are a very different population than temporary workers or students.
The headline frankly feels like fear mongering – to the effect of “4 million Canadians own guns. How many are going to murder people?” – there’s no effort to link the overall population to the likelihood of the thing the article is speculating about.
BuvantduPotatoSpirit on
I’ve lived in three other countries on work permits, and each time left when they expired.
Why? It’s a much less attractive situation being an illegal immigrant. No doubt a few will try to stay, but much, much worse employment prospects, much lousier access to services, probably not much for social networks to support you through it; the obviously better choice is going where you can get decent or good work, have good access to services, family support networks, etc.
vodka7tall on
Why should I care if someone overstays their visa? It’s not like they’ll have access to social services without a valid SIN. Their presence here affects me in now way whatsoever.
Fifty-Mission-Cap_ on
I feel like we could address this fairly easily by automatically declining the permanent residency applications of people who cannot reasonably demonstrate they exited the country when their visas lapsed.
In other words; if you want to stay – show us you actually followed the conditions of entry. People applying on lapsed visas would be declined and their deportations expedited.
I think the only people who are overstaying their visas are those looking for alternative ways of staying for good.
“I want to be a Canadian but couldn’t bother to follow the rules you’ve set out for me” isn’t exactly a compelling case for permanent residency.
Worldgonecrazylately on
They will stay. As shitty as their lives will be here living on the sly, it’s still better than where many of them came from. You would have to travel to S Asia to understand.
This will promote under the table work, which could lead to abuse by the employer. What about health and safety at the workplace? What happens if they get hurt? No, we need to get them out for their own good too. Too many employers would exploit them if they knew they could get away with it.
The thing I know is if there is no enforcement there is no law. That said I DO NOT want any sort of ICE thing happening in Canada. I’d rather them stay as illegals than that, but I’m sure we can make it hard for them to live here. Things like cracking down on employers who hire them with heafty fines.
DaOffensiveChicken on
Wew imagine what’s gonna happen to housing prices when theres like a million more dwellings available to rent or buy
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Will they? Probably not. Should they? Absolutely, or else it should jeopardize their chances of PR at all. It was refreshing to read an article on the topic from a lawyer who laid out the essential privilege basis of citizenship. No one has an inherent right to anywhere. There are rules, processes, and discretion exercised by sovereign nations as to who and how many get to come in through immigration avenues. It shouldn’t be a big cognitive jump to realize that, yet in so many articles there’s this underlying sense of entitlement to PR success. I have to say, this was a refreshing read.
Would they? Probably not.
Will they? Yes, if we ensure:
* no services are available to those without PR status (airtight checks)
* No mercy if any crime is committed ( over $5K)
Our system is lenient at an extreme.
The vast majority will leave on time. Another group will straggle and try to make staying undocumented work, but eventually also leave within a couple years because that life sucks. A smaller portion will stick around long term, but the longer they stay the harder it gets. Your life is basically on hold.
The problem isn’t going to fix itself, but the majority of temporary migrants coming to Canada would still have a better life back home than thy would be while undocumented here, because we make living without documentation extremely difficult, which is by design, because there are other ways to encourage departure beyond enforcement.
This is a frustrating article. At no point does it attempt to quantify the percentage of temporary residents who overstay their visas, outside of a very rough overall number that is impossible to tie back to the overall population. It makes some claims about asylum applicants, who are a very different population than temporary workers or students.
The headline frankly feels like fear mongering – to the effect of “4 million Canadians own guns. How many are going to murder people?” – there’s no effort to link the overall population to the likelihood of the thing the article is speculating about.
I’ve lived in three other countries on work permits, and each time left when they expired.
Why? It’s a much less attractive situation being an illegal immigrant. No doubt a few will try to stay, but much, much worse employment prospects, much lousier access to services, probably not much for social networks to support you through it; the obviously better choice is going where you can get decent or good work, have good access to services, family support networks, etc.
Why should I care if someone overstays their visa? It’s not like they’ll have access to social services without a valid SIN. Their presence here affects me in now way whatsoever.
I feel like we could address this fairly easily by automatically declining the permanent residency applications of people who cannot reasonably demonstrate they exited the country when their visas lapsed.
In other words; if you want to stay – show us you actually followed the conditions of entry. People applying on lapsed visas would be declined and their deportations expedited.
I think the only people who are overstaying their visas are those looking for alternative ways of staying for good.
“I want to be a Canadian but couldn’t bother to follow the rules you’ve set out for me” isn’t exactly a compelling case for permanent residency.
They will stay. As shitty as their lives will be here living on the sly, it’s still better than where many of them came from. You would have to travel to S Asia to understand.
This will promote under the table work, which could lead to abuse by the employer. What about health and safety at the workplace? What happens if they get hurt? No, we need to get them out for their own good too. Too many employers would exploit them if they knew they could get away with it.
Relevant i think , [France24 documentary they](https://youtu.be/MEbOq0u-bu8?si=-QBRyYv9kX5ZidMK) interview an undocumented immigrant at the end. They do exist in Canada.
The thing I know is if there is no enforcement there is no law. That said I DO NOT want any sort of ICE thing happening in Canada. I’d rather them stay as illegals than that, but I’m sure we can make it hard for them to live here. Things like cracking down on employers who hire them with heafty fines.
Wew imagine what’s gonna happen to housing prices when theres like a million more dwellings available to rent or buy
Prices could drop like 30 or 40%