All of this winning by strongman Trump is so exciting
dannysleepwalker on
USA doing their best to push all of their closest allies straight to the China’s arms.
markitwon on
As a Canadian, this sucks. I wish America didn’t go rogue
ThatOtherOtherGuy3 on
What is happening? Is the new Axis really going to be Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel, Russia, and the US? I’m not a geopolitical expert, but I have played Risk, and that doesn’t work.
Castrol-5w30 on
Diversification is the key to survival these days.
DetectiveDonBrodka on
Finally, a stable trading partner whose populace isn’t dumb as a box of rocks
okiioppai on
All thanks to Trump
GeneralOrder24 on
It’s ironic that America was basically the greatest land deal in history and it’s being destroyed by a real estate developer.
nvmenotfound on
china isn’t going to waste this opportunity with the dumbest admin in our history to take advantage of it.Â
TheMoorNextDoor on
NAFTA to USMCA to Nothing.
ZynaxNeon on
Another step towards isolating the US from the rest of the world. Once they are gone we can prosper.
imnotcreative635 on
As long as we can get those cheaper EVs (and their better EVs) I’m all for it
Regular_Jim081 on
I guess between a country that kidnaps A Couple of Canadian citizens, versus a country that wants to kidnap the entire country, I guess it’s the lesser evil.
ihatemyworkplace1 on
We have resources that China needs, and they have green technology that they can share with us. If this partnership can help Canada further its goals towards a greener future, I’m all for it. Fuck Trump and his oil obsession, let him burn his country to the ground.
theoreoman on
This is a jab to the Americans in their oncoming negotiations. Basically Americans think they have unlimited leverage on Canadian economy so Canadians are showing they aren’t going to wait to get bent over by Americans
CraftFormaldehyde on
Nothing like encouraging Canada to become a larger Cuba and grow closer with potential geopolitical rivals to make American great again, I suppose.
To be clear, I don’t blame Canadians for any of this.
Several-Opposite-746 on
USA became a meth addict and becomes an abusive partner and tells Canada we don’t need you so F-off. Canada’s quite attractive and there’s no shortage of other suitors who would like to partner up.
raki016 on
I think everyone is saying one thing and doing something else. Everyones essentially taking cue from the Donald
And in the end the same alliances still applies but they’re just more stressed
archboy1971 on
Canada would still beat China in hockey though…
Far_Car430 on
This will definitely Make America Great Again! /s
mygrownupalt on
The Beaverton put it perfectly, Canada chooses lawful evil over chaotic evil (paraphrasing)
Gbrown546 on
More and more of USA’s allies will do this. Screw them over and they’re turning to China
orobsky on
It will be interesting to see if the USA and trump ‘lets’ this happen. He is very interested in keeping China out of the western hemisphere, as seen with Venezuela 2 weeks ago
t1tanium on
Ah yes. The country Carney labeled as the biggest threat to Canada during the election.
Necessary_Craft_8937 on
bye bye pax americana
hello pax sinica
the future is truly f*cked
lifeisahighway2023 on
There is another factor which I think is not often discussed.
Canada has one of the largest populations of Chinese ethnicity in the world (top 5 or 6 to my recollection). People of Chinese ethnicity are the largest non-Caucasian group in Canada, surpassing both black and indigenous. While there have been many waves of Chinese immigration to Canada the oldest goes right back to the 1870’s so their presence is long, long established in Canada.
Canada is perceived as “Chinese friendly”. While here in America a typical corporate ad might feature couples of Caucasian & Black or Caucasian & Latino in Canada it is most likely going to be Caucasian & Chinese. Everywhere I have ever been to in Canada on my many trips to visit family, bank machines were in English, French & Chinese language options and sometimes only English & Chinese.
China has been pushing its weight around throughout the world using money as its main tool. But that has not necessarily translated to they being welcome, just they being a means to an end. But in Canada people of Chinese ethnicity do not normally have that fear or concern – they are accepted as a completely normal deeply integrated part of the social fabric. Really this is the exception, not the rule worldwide.
Separately I think there is genuine respect of the Canadian Prime Minister along with the Canadian Foreign Minister by Chinese officials. Carney and Anand are 2 of the most accomplished people in the leading echelon of govt anywhere. They are intelligent, well spoken bringing superlative credentials to the table along alongside their management & diplomatic experience. In contrast to the American meetings, all the pictures I observed in the last 2 days showed many Chinese official clearly in pleasant form. But most of all I think Xi Jinping suffers fools badly and when I have observed he and Carney together Jinping is comfortable even to the point of smiling which is very rare for him. I shudder to even guess what Jinping is thinking when interacting with Trump but it can’t be good.
Canada and China have been at loggerheads for awhile. Mostly but not completely instigated by Trump. Now they are taking formative steps to repairing the trade relationship. But Canadians do not hate Chinese, and Chinese generally have a very favorable impression of Canada and Canadians (it even comes up in cdramas from time to time). And the Chinese govt certainly knows all of this and it certainly factors into their decision making calculus.
So they are not enemies. Nor even are they friendemies. The relationship in the past has been better. I think both believe it can be better again in both the short term an long term. It is not going to be all apple pie and ice cream going forward but I suspect it will move to guarded neutral tending positive, and trade avenues will grow with time. Right now Canada and China are agreeing to agree, and papering the way to the next stages of repair. Probably that will not be fast enough for some but many baby steps still amount to a great deal of forward progress.
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Atleast this trade partner will be consistant.Â
All of this winning by strongman Trump is so exciting
USA doing their best to push all of their closest allies straight to the China’s arms.
As a Canadian, this sucks. I wish America didn’t go rogue
What is happening? Is the new Axis really going to be Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel, Russia, and the US? I’m not a geopolitical expert, but I have played Risk, and that doesn’t work.
Diversification is the key to survival these days.
Finally, a stable trading partner whose populace isn’t dumb as a box of rocks
All thanks to Trump
It’s ironic that America was basically the greatest land deal in history and it’s being destroyed by a real estate developer.
china isn’t going to waste this opportunity with the dumbest admin in our history to take advantage of it.Â
NAFTA to USMCA to Nothing.
Another step towards isolating the US from the rest of the world. Once they are gone we can prosper.
As long as we can get those cheaper EVs (and their better EVs) I’m all for it
I guess between a country that kidnaps A Couple of Canadian citizens, versus a country that wants to kidnap the entire country, I guess it’s the lesser evil.
We have resources that China needs, and they have green technology that they can share with us. If this partnership can help Canada further its goals towards a greener future, I’m all for it. Fuck Trump and his oil obsession, let him burn his country to the ground.
This is a jab to the Americans in their oncoming negotiations. Basically Americans think they have unlimited leverage on Canadian economy so Canadians are showing they aren’t going to wait to get bent over by Americans
Nothing like encouraging Canada to become a larger Cuba and grow closer with potential geopolitical rivals to make American great again, I suppose.
To be clear, I don’t blame Canadians for any of this.
USA became a meth addict and becomes an abusive partner and tells Canada we don’t need you so F-off. Canada’s quite attractive and there’s no shortage of other suitors who would like to partner up.
I think everyone is saying one thing and doing something else. Everyones essentially taking cue from the Donald
And in the end the same alliances still applies but they’re just more stressed
Canada would still beat China in hockey though…
This will definitely Make America Great Again! /s
The Beaverton put it perfectly, Canada chooses lawful evil over chaotic evil (paraphrasing)
More and more of USA’s allies will do this. Screw them over and they’re turning to China
It will be interesting to see if the USA and trump ‘lets’ this happen. He is very interested in keeping China out of the western hemisphere, as seen with Venezuela 2 weeks ago
Ah yes. The country Carney labeled as the biggest threat to Canada during the election.
bye bye pax americana
hello pax sinica
the future is truly f*cked
There is another factor which I think is not often discussed.
Canada has one of the largest populations of Chinese ethnicity in the world (top 5 or 6 to my recollection). People of Chinese ethnicity are the largest non-Caucasian group in Canada, surpassing both black and indigenous. While there have been many waves of Chinese immigration to Canada the oldest goes right back to the 1870’s so their presence is long, long established in Canada.
Canada is perceived as “Chinese friendly”. While here in America a typical corporate ad might feature couples of Caucasian & Black or Caucasian & Latino in Canada it is most likely going to be Caucasian & Chinese. Everywhere I have ever been to in Canada on my many trips to visit family, bank machines were in English, French & Chinese language options and sometimes only English & Chinese.
China has been pushing its weight around throughout the world using money as its main tool. But that has not necessarily translated to they being welcome, just they being a means to an end. But in Canada people of Chinese ethnicity do not normally have that fear or concern – they are accepted as a completely normal deeply integrated part of the social fabric. Really this is the exception, not the rule worldwide.
Separately I think there is genuine respect of the Canadian Prime Minister along with the Canadian Foreign Minister by Chinese officials. Carney and Anand are 2 of the most accomplished people in the leading echelon of govt anywhere. They are intelligent, well spoken bringing superlative credentials to the table along alongside their management & diplomatic experience. In contrast to the American meetings, all the pictures I observed in the last 2 days showed many Chinese official clearly in pleasant form. But most of all I think Xi Jinping suffers fools badly and when I have observed he and Carney together Jinping is comfortable even to the point of smiling which is very rare for him. I shudder to even guess what Jinping is thinking when interacting with Trump but it can’t be good.
Canada and China have been at loggerheads for awhile. Mostly but not completely instigated by Trump. Now they are taking formative steps to repairing the trade relationship. But Canadians do not hate Chinese, and Chinese generally have a very favorable impression of Canada and Canadians (it even comes up in cdramas from time to time). And the Chinese govt certainly knows all of this and it certainly factors into their decision making calculus.
So they are not enemies. Nor even are they friendemies. The relationship in the past has been better. I think both believe it can be better again in both the short term an long term. It is not going to be all apple pie and ice cream going forward but I suspect it will move to guarded neutral tending positive, and trade avenues will grow with time. Right now Canada and China are agreeing to agree, and papering the way to the next stages of repair. Probably that will not be fast enough for some but many baby steps still amount to a great deal of forward progress.