Poilievre still doesn’t have his security clearance that would let him have access to sensitive, classified information like foreign interference reports, classified intelligence briefings, and Five Eyes information sharing. He doesn’t have a foreign policy plan because he refuses to fully understand what’s going on.
aesoth on
I am waiting for any plan from Poilievre, not just foreign policy. I have only seen him spew vitriol and discent.
Even the CPC’s plan they put out during the last election was a big PP picture book. The other parties had very few pictures and pages of text.
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ragnaroksunset on
He needs more than that.
He’s literally still nothing more than “Prime Minister BAD”.
I’m sorry but the Westminster system wasn’t designed to tell us that. Most people can figure that out on their own.
It’s not as bad here as in America but the flaws in how our system was designed are really showing.
ACoderGirl on
I mean, if he’s sticking around, sure. But really the thing he needs to do the most is get out of politics. He’s been nothing but divisive in a time where we most need unity. His divisiveness squandered what seemed like a sure majority. He just doesn’t have what it takes to lead.
It says bad things about the CPC if they keep him on and it says bad things about Poilievre’s own judgement that he hasn’t long since resigned. Having a foreign policy plan isn’t going to fix this and it’s like asking a leopard to change its spots.
JauntyTGD on
I feel as though we keep talking about Poilievre as if we don’t know who he is and what he believes by now. He is not a serious candidate, and he will not magically get the work needed done to make himself relevant. Even if he recognized it as a necessity, which has in no way been communicated, how long would it take him to produce an policy idea of any actual substance?
Routine_Soup2022 on
The reason he doesn’t have much of a foreign policy plan is on the podium placard: Canada First. Unfortunately, putting “Canada First” requires having a foreign policy because Canada does not exist in a bubble.
He appeared rudderless on this a year ago when we first got into the discussion on Trump and tariffs. He’s just as weak on this file now. It’s one of his biggest weaknesses as leader.
I’m not saying that Mark Carney exactly has a powerful, clearly stated foreign policy however I would argue that Carney is the one truly applying “Common Sense” and truly putting “Canada First” by building relationships for Canada in the world we have, not the world we want to have.
Councillor_Troy on
Would have been nice if more savvy sophisticated pundits at The Hub and many other outlets had acknowledged Poilievre had no foreign policy or much policy at all beyond owning the Libs and Axing the Tax before last year’s election, but better late than never I guess.
jello_sweaters on
It’s ridiculous and unfair to ask Pierre Poilievre to waste his time thinking about something as frivolous as Canada’s place in the world during a time of great strategic and economic turmoil.
Like any great leader, he’s laser-focused on issues that REALLY matter, like which deciding hard-blue, can’t-possibly-lose Conservative riding he’s going to parachute into THIS time,
Champagne_of_piss on
Poilievre is willfully ignorant and unwilling to get his security clearance. How anyone could take him seriously in matters of foreign policy is beyond me.
How anyone could take him seriously in any matter is beyond me.
Ciserus on
The day Carney left for China, I was listening to a radio news piece about his visit. They talked about the sticking points, Carney’s objectives, potential strategy, the tradeoffs he might have to make.
Then they ended with the obligatory perspective from the other side. It was basically: “Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre said the trade mission is a stupid waste of time and that Mark Carney is a dumb idiot.”
That aged about as well as expected. I feel bad for the reporters who have to treat this guy as if he’s a serious person and for all of us who have to listen to him.
(To be fair to Poilievre, I looked up his actual statement, which was “This latest trip is another opportunity for Carney to burn ‘thousands of litres of jet fuel to hobnob with his wealthy friends around the world while achieving nothing for Canadians,'” and that “Carney should stay home.” You decide if that’s better or worse than my “stupid waste of time” paraphrase).
Nate33322 on
He’s stuck between a rock and a hard place with foreign policy the right wing of his party is all in on being pro-american, and/or being hyper isolationist. While the centre-right and old guard neoconservatives are far more pro-Nato, and internationalist.
So Poilievre doesn’t have a plan cause he’s trying not to piss off either side of the party. He just picks a side whenever he has to comment. This is just a symptom of how disunified the CPC is. A Frankenstein of 3-5 smaller political groups smashed into one party.
CptCoatrack on
First, I know The Hub’s in denial but he clearly does have a foreign policy plan: Lick. The. Boot. While maintaining a pretense of sovereignty.
Second, even if he doesn’t, he’s never really had a plan for anything and it’s worked out alright for him. He could go into the next election not having changed a thing, and outlets like The Hub (which exists merely to put a serious face on Nat-Po style conservatism and make it seem like it has the weight of ideas behind it) would endorse him anyway. There’d be an article with some vague half-hearted “concerns” about lack of specifics but hopeful he’ll shape up to the role once he’s won and how Canada can’t afford another Liberal term. Worst comes to worst they’ll pull a G&M and endorse the CPC without PP.
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Poilievre still doesn’t have his security clearance that would let him have access to sensitive, classified information like foreign interference reports, classified intelligence briefings, and Five Eyes information sharing. He doesn’t have a foreign policy plan because he refuses to fully understand what’s going on.
I am waiting for any plan from Poilievre, not just foreign policy. I have only seen him spew vitriol and discent.
Even the CPC’s plan they put out during the last election was a big PP picture book. The other parties had very few pictures and pages of text.
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He needs more than that.
He’s literally still nothing more than “Prime Minister BAD”.
I’m sorry but the Westminster system wasn’t designed to tell us that. Most people can figure that out on their own.
It’s not as bad here as in America but the flaws in how our system was designed are really showing.
I mean, if he’s sticking around, sure. But really the thing he needs to do the most is get out of politics. He’s been nothing but divisive in a time where we most need unity. His divisiveness squandered what seemed like a sure majority. He just doesn’t have what it takes to lead.
It says bad things about the CPC if they keep him on and it says bad things about Poilievre’s own judgement that he hasn’t long since resigned. Having a foreign policy plan isn’t going to fix this and it’s like asking a leopard to change its spots.
I feel as though we keep talking about Poilievre as if we don’t know who he is and what he believes by now. He is not a serious candidate, and he will not magically get the work needed done to make himself relevant. Even if he recognized it as a necessity, which has in no way been communicated, how long would it take him to produce an policy idea of any actual substance?
The reason he doesn’t have much of a foreign policy plan is on the podium placard: Canada First. Unfortunately, putting “Canada First” requires having a foreign policy because Canada does not exist in a bubble.
He appeared rudderless on this a year ago when we first got into the discussion on Trump and tariffs. He’s just as weak on this file now. It’s one of his biggest weaknesses as leader.
I’m not saying that Mark Carney exactly has a powerful, clearly stated foreign policy however I would argue that Carney is the one truly applying “Common Sense” and truly putting “Canada First” by building relationships for Canada in the world we have, not the world we want to have.
Would have been nice if more savvy sophisticated pundits at The Hub and many other outlets had acknowledged Poilievre had no foreign policy or much policy at all beyond owning the Libs and Axing the Tax before last year’s election, but better late than never I guess.
It’s ridiculous and unfair to ask Pierre Poilievre to waste his time thinking about something as frivolous as Canada’s place in the world during a time of great strategic and economic turmoil.
Like any great leader, he’s laser-focused on issues that REALLY matter, like which deciding hard-blue, can’t-possibly-lose Conservative riding he’s going to parachute into THIS time,
Poilievre is willfully ignorant and unwilling to get his security clearance. How anyone could take him seriously in matters of foreign policy is beyond me.
How anyone could take him seriously in any matter is beyond me.
The day Carney left for China, I was listening to a radio news piece about his visit. They talked about the sticking points, Carney’s objectives, potential strategy, the tradeoffs he might have to make.
Then they ended with the obligatory perspective from the other side. It was basically: “Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre said the trade mission is a stupid waste of time and that Mark Carney is a dumb idiot.”
That aged about as well as expected. I feel bad for the reporters who have to treat this guy as if he’s a serious person and for all of us who have to listen to him.
(To be fair to Poilievre, I looked up his actual statement, which was “This latest trip is another opportunity for Carney to burn ‘thousands of litres of jet fuel to hobnob with his wealthy friends around the world while achieving nothing for Canadians,'” and that “Carney should stay home.” You decide if that’s better or worse than my “stupid waste of time” paraphrase).
He’s stuck between a rock and a hard place with foreign policy the right wing of his party is all in on being pro-american, and/or being hyper isolationist. While the centre-right and old guard neoconservatives are far more pro-Nato, and internationalist.
So Poilievre doesn’t have a plan cause he’s trying not to piss off either side of the party. He just picks a side whenever he has to comment. This is just a symptom of how disunified the CPC is. A Frankenstein of 3-5 smaller political groups smashed into one party.
First, I know The Hub’s in denial but he clearly does have a foreign policy plan: Lick. The. Boot. While maintaining a pretense of sovereignty.
Second, even if he doesn’t, he’s never really had a plan for anything and it’s worked out alright for him. He could go into the next election not having changed a thing, and outlets like The Hub (which exists merely to put a serious face on Nat-Po style conservatism and make it seem like it has the weight of ideas behind it) would endorse him anyway. There’d be an article with some vague half-hearted “concerns” about lack of specifics but hopeful he’ll shape up to the role once he’s won and how Canada can’t afford another Liberal term. Worst comes to worst they’ll pull a G&M and endorse the CPC without PP.