So Carney and Starmer are both going to China…well done Donald
JackStrawWitchita on
I’m usually highly critical of Starmer but this is something I 100% endorse. This is a great way of subtly putting two fingers up to Trump, especially in light of recent events.
Professional-Sea2875 on
I presume paedoprez will fill his nappy over this and threaten more tariffs?
BenathonWrigley on
Is China any worse than the US? I don’t see a problem with opening more trade and closer relationships with them if that’s what we’re doing. The stuff about spying, as if the US aren’t doing the same thing to everyone in the U.K. and harvesting data via apps and stuff.
Scaremongering about China is overblown.
PerceptionGreat2439 on
Does this mean my sweet and sour pork with special fried rice will go down in price?
New_7688 on
PLEASE can we get them to build our railway system omfg. They’d have HS2 done within a year.
UnlikelyRabbit4648 on
Good, let’s go, they make better stuff than the Americans anyway.
Ok-Western3626 on
The usual newspapers are dusting off their “kow towing” headlines in readiness, or as those bell ends would write, “red-iness”.
Belle_TainSummer on
Well he hasn’t much choice, I’d doubt he’ll get a good deal though since the world has us over a barrel at the moment. We’re not able to “go it alone” in the current global situation, we’re a middling post-colonial nation with poor relations with our neighbours and a deeply politically divided population. We need a larger ally. So here is the problem, the choices are: the EU, The United States, or China.
The stupidity, not to mention naked xenophobia and racism, of Brexit wrecked our relationship with Europe.
Starmer was betting the farm on getting a Blair-Clinton/Blair-Bush relationship with the United States, but…. Trump, just Trump.
That really leaves only China as the other major player in the game. We’re desperate, they know it. Maybe they’ll toss us something to save face with, but they have us over that barrel.
AlchemyAled on
Xi is cracking open champagne every ~20 minutes recently
SableSnail on
Good. If you don’t have an alternative then you have no leverage to negotiate and the ‘special relationship’ is totally one-sided.
FatFarter69 on
Trump pushing his allies into closer ties with America’s main rival is almost hilariously stupid.
Actual_Eggplant_8969 on
I’m expecting (and hoping) China will announce visa free travel for British citizens after this meeting like they did for Canada last week.
Caveman1214 on
I’d prefer china over the US.
Long term china isn’t a good idea but it’s better overall to move on from America
klydefrog89 on
We can’t complain about China and then buy a truck load of made in China products per household per year.
We have a working relationship with them and maybe we should distance ourselves from them and their economy going forward but we are a long way away from totally cutting off Chinese products
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maritimelight on
How many of these comments are Chinese agents doing pro-China PR, or just idiots who have been conned by said PR? The vast majority of academic fraud and IP theft comes from China, and has for decades. Even with its changes under Trump, the US has nothing resembling the Great Firewall or limitations on free speech China has. This goes on and on. You’re fucking idiots if you actually think empowering China in any way is an intelligent foreign policy. If China becomes the next hegemon, you will look back on even Trump’s America with nostalgia
DRMK2876 on
China is far from a perfect partner, but China hasn’t helped Israel bomb 5 different countries in the last 2 years, China hasnt hit countries with ridiculous tariffs, China isn’t alienating allies, China isn’t threatening world war 3. The UK has to do what’s best for itself, not keep the orange buffoon placated.
lupinle1 on
Not sure if Trump is a Russian asset or a Chinese asset.
Sea_Pomegranate8229 on
Excellent move. We live in a global trade world. Let us go to where people want to trade.
primax1uk on
Funny how China is rapidly taking the place of the US in the new world order, just by doing nothing.
“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake” – some Chinese guy who was good at war or something.
Eastern_Frosting126 on
China first and foremost is about business. Aiming to become the biggest superpower via business and alliances. Political stuff is secondary. They don’t interfere with other countries politically and expect others do to the same.
Comments about China will invade Taiwan etc at any given moment is false. It’s just talk and scaremongerimg by the US. There is no need for China to ‘reclaim’ that land ass it doesn’t make business sense in comparison to the political and monetary cost.
Not like the US who has invaded another country on a whim in the name of “providing democracy to the people of Venezuela’ whilst your president openly say it’s “all about the oil”, and now playing games, setting up MILITARY assets close to another stretch of land belonging to a so called ally.
Realise what this president is allowing ICE agents to do ON US soil to US citizens and you know he cannot be trusted at all.
PurpleSpark8 on
Please start making our own things and not getting dependent on another country, again
Aggresive_HeadPats on
Good stuff. Show the orange toddler that the world doesn’t revolve around him and his ever expanding piece of land.
NathanDavie on
Our future lies with China and Europe.
The Americans have burned close to a century of soft power progress in the space of a year.
Illustrious-Emu7669 on
Dictators do tend to attract dictators. Maybe Putin will show up for a cuppa and biccy eyÂ
mallardtheduck on
So which British business are we selling to China this time?
ermCaz on
Politics really is clown fiesta.. you have trade deals happening with China, then in the next breath MP’s in parliament saying their new Embassy is a threat.
geniusgravity on
“Hi Xi. I did as you asked with EV susbsidies, Chagos, and the Embassy, can you throw me a bone, please?”
WolfColaCo2020 on
Man there’s some people ITT that have drunk the Kool-Aid to such an extent. And this is coming from somebody who despises Trump and what he’s doing to the USA.
China are not our friends and we shouldn’t get into bed with them to the extent some people are saying here. They’re a totalitarian regime who aggressively clamp down on dissent and have been incredibly open about exerting their worldview both regionally and internationally at the explicit cost of the liberal democratic West. Look no further than the deepened ties they have with Russia following the Ukraine war to see what deepening ties or, god forbid, an alliance as some people are saying, will inflict back at Europe.
Whilst I 100% agree with the notion that we need to end reliance on the USA, jumping into bed with China is just out of the frying pan, into the fire stuff. Let’s say we do it and they invade Taiwan- what then?
If only there was a bloc of fellow liberal minded democratic states that we could ally with just a short geographic distance away…
Mason_Caorunn on
Never here…….. Never mind.
Never a truer statement.
yousorusso on
Probably wanting some tips on building the Great British Firewall
TengoKaW on
UK and China Vs Russia and USA. What could go wrong.
Thefdt on
‘We’ve compromised national security to give you that massive embassy that you’ll definitely spy on us with and hold any dissenters prisoners in, plleeeeease give us a good trade deal’
‘No? Ok then. ‘
‘What if we turn a blind eye to all the human rights issues?’
‘No? Ok, What if we make it easier for you to buy up critical elements of our industry until it non viable so we can’t even produce our own steel anymore’
‘No?’
‘What if we sell you some of our ports and such? We’ll throw in letting you flood the market with cheap shit Chinese suvs so other car manufacturers go under?’
‘No? Ok well we’ll do all that anyway and be grateful for any crumbs you send our way’
MapNo7528 on
I hope they don’t want to repay a century of humiliation
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So Carney and Starmer are both going to China…well done Donald
I’m usually highly critical of Starmer but this is something I 100% endorse. This is a great way of subtly putting two fingers up to Trump, especially in light of recent events.
I presume paedoprez will fill his nappy over this and threaten more tariffs?
Is China any worse than the US? I don’t see a problem with opening more trade and closer relationships with them if that’s what we’re doing. The stuff about spying, as if the US aren’t doing the same thing to everyone in the U.K. and harvesting data via apps and stuff.
Scaremongering about China is overblown.
Does this mean my sweet and sour pork with special fried rice will go down in price?
PLEASE can we get them to build our railway system omfg. They’d have HS2 done within a year.
Good, let’s go, they make better stuff than the Americans anyway.
The usual newspapers are dusting off their “kow towing” headlines in readiness, or as those bell ends would write, “red-iness”.
Well he hasn’t much choice, I’d doubt he’ll get a good deal though since the world has us over a barrel at the moment. We’re not able to “go it alone” in the current global situation, we’re a middling post-colonial nation with poor relations with our neighbours and a deeply politically divided population. We need a larger ally. So here is the problem, the choices are: the EU, The United States, or China.
The stupidity, not to mention naked xenophobia and racism, of Brexit wrecked our relationship with Europe.
Starmer was betting the farm on getting a Blair-Clinton/Blair-Bush relationship with the United States, but…. Trump, just Trump.
That really leaves only China as the other major player in the game. We’re desperate, they know it. Maybe they’ll toss us something to save face with, but they have us over that barrel.
Xi is cracking open champagne every ~20 minutes recently
Good. If you don’t have an alternative then you have no leverage to negotiate and the ‘special relationship’ is totally one-sided.
Trump pushing his allies into closer ties with America’s main rival is almost hilariously stupid.
I’m expecting (and hoping) China will announce visa free travel for British citizens after this meeting like they did for Canada last week.
I’d prefer china over the US.
Long term china isn’t a good idea but it’s better overall to move on from America
We can’t complain about China and then buy a truck load of made in China products per household per year.
We have a working relationship with them and maybe we should distance ourselves from them and their economy going forward but we are a long way away from totally cutting off Chinese products
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How many of these comments are Chinese agents doing pro-China PR, or just idiots who have been conned by said PR? The vast majority of academic fraud and IP theft comes from China, and has for decades. Even with its changes under Trump, the US has nothing resembling the Great Firewall or limitations on free speech China has. This goes on and on. You’re fucking idiots if you actually think empowering China in any way is an intelligent foreign policy. If China becomes the next hegemon, you will look back on even Trump’s America with nostalgia
China is far from a perfect partner, but China hasn’t helped Israel bomb 5 different countries in the last 2 years, China hasnt hit countries with ridiculous tariffs, China isn’t alienating allies, China isn’t threatening world war 3. The UK has to do what’s best for itself, not keep the orange buffoon placated.
Not sure if Trump is a Russian asset or a Chinese asset.
Excellent move. We live in a global trade world. Let us go to where people want to trade.
Funny how China is rapidly taking the place of the US in the new world order, just by doing nothing.
“Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake” – some Chinese guy who was good at war or something.
China first and foremost is about business. Aiming to become the biggest superpower via business and alliances. Political stuff is secondary. They don’t interfere with other countries politically and expect others do to the same.
Comments about China will invade Taiwan etc at any given moment is false. It’s just talk and scaremongerimg by the US. There is no need for China to ‘reclaim’ that land ass it doesn’t make business sense in comparison to the political and monetary cost.
Not like the US who has invaded another country on a whim in the name of “providing democracy to the people of Venezuela’ whilst your president openly say it’s “all about the oil”, and now playing games, setting up MILITARY assets close to another stretch of land belonging to a so called ally.
Realise what this president is allowing ICE agents to do ON US soil to US citizens and you know he cannot be trusted at all.
Please start making our own things and not getting dependent on another country, again
Good stuff. Show the orange toddler that the world doesn’t revolve around him and his ever expanding piece of land.
Our future lies with China and Europe.
The Americans have burned close to a century of soft power progress in the space of a year.
Dictators do tend to attract dictators. Maybe Putin will show up for a cuppa and biccy eyÂ
So which British business are we selling to China this time?
Politics really is clown fiesta.. you have trade deals happening with China, then in the next breath MP’s in parliament saying their new Embassy is a threat.
“Hi Xi. I did as you asked with EV susbsidies, Chagos, and the Embassy, can you throw me a bone, please?”
Man there’s some people ITT that have drunk the Kool-Aid to such an extent. And this is coming from somebody who despises Trump and what he’s doing to the USA.
China are not our friends and we shouldn’t get into bed with them to the extent some people are saying here. They’re a totalitarian regime who aggressively clamp down on dissent and have been incredibly open about exerting their worldview both regionally and internationally at the explicit cost of the liberal democratic West. Look no further than the deepened ties they have with Russia following the Ukraine war to see what deepening ties or, god forbid, an alliance as some people are saying, will inflict back at Europe.
Whilst I 100% agree with the notion that we need to end reliance on the USA, jumping into bed with China is just out of the frying pan, into the fire stuff. Let’s say we do it and they invade Taiwan- what then?
If only there was a bloc of fellow liberal minded democratic states that we could ally with just a short geographic distance away…
Never here…….. Never mind.
Never a truer statement.
Probably wanting some tips on building the Great British Firewall
UK and China Vs Russia and USA. What could go wrong.
‘We’ve compromised national security to give you that massive embassy that you’ll definitely spy on us with and hold any dissenters prisoners in, plleeeeease give us a good trade deal’
‘No? Ok then. ‘
‘What if we turn a blind eye to all the human rights issues?’
‘No? Ok, What if we make it easier for you to buy up critical elements of our industry until it non viable so we can’t even produce our own steel anymore’
‘No?’
‘What if we sell you some of our ports and such? We’ll throw in letting you flood the market with cheap shit Chinese suvs so other car manufacturers go under?’
‘No? Ok well we’ll do all that anyway and be grateful for any crumbs you send our way’
I hope they don’t want to repay a century of humiliation