Every successful confrontation of American forces has been lead by armed peasant and worker populations. It makes absolutely zero sense to not be giving MORE arms and organizing worker militas, but the government is scared of armed workers.Â
dermanus on
> The choice before us is simple: we can proceed with a moronic policy proposal that the government clearly doesn’t believe in, or we can do things that will actually make this country stronger and more resilient in a world that is, as the PM has noted, rapidly changing in ways that threaten our security and survival. We cannot do both of these things at the same time, as they are in direct opposition to each other. We cannot disarm our armed resistance.
Gurney is right that these two policy goals are fundamentally at odds. If our security depends on an armed insurgency, is actively confiscating firearms from the people we’ve vetted and trained to use them the right move?
This buyback is very much a luxury issue, and it’s clear that the government itself doesn’t really believe in it. Stop wasting time and money and cancel it.
Theseactuallydo on
Getting some mixed messaging here from the anti-gun control side. Â
Are these totally innocuous tools meant for hunting or are they weapons of war meant to inflict mass casualties on human targets?Â
DwayneGretzky306 on
Reverse the bans, remove restricting / prohibiting things in name only. Quit kicking things down the road. Legal owners have kept these things locked up for years now. Let’s see some pragmatism and end this.
Zarxon on
It hasn’t helped the US they can’t even protect them from themselves. If we want to increase our militia presence there are militia units you can join. We don’t need independent militias or cosplay soldiers wandering around. In the US they are known as ICE. If you want to serve your country I applaud you and appreciate you . Join our armed forces. Buying an assault style rifle is not serving your country.
President-Sunday on
Make basic gun training and discipline a part of secondary education. You don’t have to have macho open carry in public nonsense to have a population that knows how to use a rifle responsibly when the need arises.
AtlanticMaritimer on
Personally, I’d need to see the data on how many firearms per household exist and what kinds of firearms are being purchased and what condition. In my head it actually makes sense for the government to collect as many guns as possible for strategic distribution in preparation for an attack.
I wonder how the US military will handle someone who hunts having a gun in their home that doesn’t want to risk their life. Judging by the American track record, probably not well.
So really, coordinated arms dispersal amongst known militia forces would probably be more effective than randoms scattered having arms that they may not want to use against humans.
Just because someone hunts or owns a gun doesn’t mean they’re willing to kill another person if given the choice.
Medea_From_Colchis on
We should probably ~~built~~ build a military and robust defensive systems. I am not going to make a comment on the gun buy-back, but I do think it’s funny when people claim these weapons are sufficient for modern warfare. The average type of weapon available to Canadians, even Americans, won’t be effective in combat with an advanced military. It’s not the 18th century anymore.
c0mputer99 on
To support the armed resistance concept and maintain citizen safety:
-make 5.56 and 7.62 caliber weapons accessible.
-continue to restrict magazine size
-continue to restrict concealable weapons (pistols, barrels less than 18.5″)
If things go south, 300+ reserve units have access to the 30 round STANAG magazines and Nato rounds.
At best, a civil war is incited, more likely both sides suffer casualties with the same conclusion. A Citizen reserve force is in the works. 300,000.
ParagonRenegade on
Canada needs to form a citizen militia with people trained in basic survival skills, operation and maintenance of firearms, sabotage and concealment, and to give them a proper service weapon.
Recent events have made it abundantly clear that continuing to disarm and not prepare for a threat in plain sight is a bad idea.
Coffeedemon on
Those armed and regulated militias are doing absolute WONDERS in fighting tyranny and injustice to the south of us right now! Barely anyone dying in the streets under the boots of government thugs.
IrishFire122 on
Many people are happy with the direction Canada is now taking. Armed resistance to you is armed insurrection to us.
yukonnut on
It seems that the current government is slow walking the whole process and their heart is not in it, but need it for a small part of the anti gun base. Would like to hear from someone WHO HAS ACTUALLY LOST THEIR GUNS.
But the guns are a big part of the anti libtard maga maple. They wouldn’t want to have the facts disrupt their discourse. Hmmmmmmm who does that sound like.
Before everybody piles on, I genuinely would like to hear from actual humans who have personally experienced gun loss, not anecdotal stories.
UnionGuyCanada on
I would be far more worried about a guy woth a large hunting rifle or a shotgun then the guns they are banning.
 If Ukraine has taught us anything, it is that drones are the future. Our armed resistance will be mass drone production, not some locals with almost assault weapons.Â
 Quit trying to bring 2A to Canada.Â
Nuclear_Shadow on
“We need more guns” then refers to how IED’s not guns killed Canadians in conflict.
You want to prepare for a war with the US get a chemistry book and a drone. Yehaw’s with guns trying to be the next Lee Major are just going to get civilians killed.
TheInfelicitousDandy on
Canadian gun politics has always been a proxy culture war issue with the States. The vast majority of Canadians do not want American gun culture. Most Canadians are fine when gun owners look like Elmer Fudd, but not when they look like Desert Storm cosplayers, regurgitating NRA talking points. This is why pro-gun advocates are correct when they point out that banning guns of a certain look is silly (when the ban is framed as a capability issue), but still completely miss the concern of most Canadians.
Because of America’s cultural dominance in the 80’s and 90’s, our solution was to ban guns. It has not been a successful policy in terms of its stated goal of security/safety, but it has been in terms of the unstated goal of keeping American gun culture out of Canada.
Given the recent break with America, we should aim to develop a gun culture of our own that works for us. I still think it may be reactionary to America (see all the people here who want a militia-style culture), but in a different way from the fear of adoption of American culture.
silenceisgold3n on
It does worse because when the civilians who had their guns confiscated are asked to do whatever work is necessary, they will now say f u, let the urban Quebecers do it
toilet_for_shrek on
Regular Americans citizens can own military grade guns. A majority of those that the LPC is trying to confiscate from Canadians aren’t even very powerful. They just look “scary” and have many still-legal alternatives.
Just saying that even if the liberals weren’t trying to disarm its citizens, the said guns aren’t exactly military strength. Ironically, I could see a large underground gun-smuggling operation sprout up that imports more powerful American weaponsÂ
SweeneyMcFeels on
Any chance of an armed resistance hinges more on a properly funded (and large, personnel-wise) military. Resistance long-term against a military as large and powerful as the US’ will require foreign support, like pretty much all historical examples.
Civilian resistance would otherwise need to be more comprehensive than just firefights, and would probably look more like someone’s idea of terrorism or infrastructure sabotage.
ESF-hockeeyyy on
I did not have much of a stance on gun control or gun rights until this past year. Now I’m very very firmly in the right to arm ourselves, with the appropriate safe guards. I strongly urge you all to get your PAL, or least learn how to use a gun.
I understand there’s a fear about access to weapons will allow the mentally unwell to do horrible things, but we can easily resolve this by providing mental health resources and support, and continue being strict about who will have access to these weapons.
oddspellingofPhreid on
I can’t help but feel that every time I hear this line, it’s simply the appropriation of the current Canadian zeitgeist by the pro-gun crowd. I don’t like it because if this is our primary decision making calculus, then it leads in the other direction: we should be more robustly arming (and maybe training?) our civilian populace.
I think we should have coherent and cogent gun laws, and that includes being skeptical of certain restrictions, but I don’t really love this rhetorical line.
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Every successful confrontation of American forces has been lead by armed peasant and worker populations. It makes absolutely zero sense to not be giving MORE arms and organizing worker militas, but the government is scared of armed workers.Â
> The choice before us is simple: we can proceed with a moronic policy proposal that the government clearly doesn’t believe in, or we can do things that will actually make this country stronger and more resilient in a world that is, as the PM has noted, rapidly changing in ways that threaten our security and survival. We cannot do both of these things at the same time, as they are in direct opposition to each other. We cannot disarm our armed resistance.
Gurney is right that these two policy goals are fundamentally at odds. If our security depends on an armed insurgency, is actively confiscating firearms from the people we’ve vetted and trained to use them the right move?
This buyback is very much a luxury issue, and it’s clear that the government itself doesn’t really believe in it. Stop wasting time and money and cancel it.
Getting some mixed messaging here from the anti-gun control side. Â
Are these totally innocuous tools meant for hunting or are they weapons of war meant to inflict mass casualties on human targets?Â
Reverse the bans, remove restricting / prohibiting things in name only. Quit kicking things down the road. Legal owners have kept these things locked up for years now. Let’s see some pragmatism and end this.
It hasn’t helped the US they can’t even protect them from themselves. If we want to increase our militia presence there are militia units you can join. We don’t need independent militias or cosplay soldiers wandering around. In the US they are known as ICE. If you want to serve your country I applaud you and appreciate you . Join our armed forces. Buying an assault style rifle is not serving your country.
Make basic gun training and discipline a part of secondary education. You don’t have to have macho open carry in public nonsense to have a population that knows how to use a rifle responsibly when the need arises.
Personally, I’d need to see the data on how many firearms per household exist and what kinds of firearms are being purchased and what condition. In my head it actually makes sense for the government to collect as many guns as possible for strategic distribution in preparation for an attack.
I wonder how the US military will handle someone who hunts having a gun in their home that doesn’t want to risk their life. Judging by the American track record, probably not well.
So really, coordinated arms dispersal amongst known militia forces would probably be more effective than randoms scattered having arms that they may not want to use against humans.
Just because someone hunts or owns a gun doesn’t mean they’re willing to kill another person if given the choice.
We should probably ~~built~~ build a military and robust defensive systems. I am not going to make a comment on the gun buy-back, but I do think it’s funny when people claim these weapons are sufficient for modern warfare. The average type of weapon available to Canadians, even Americans, won’t be effective in combat with an advanced military. It’s not the 18th century anymore.
To support the armed resistance concept and maintain citizen safety:
-make 5.56 and 7.62 caliber weapons accessible.
-continue to restrict magazine size
-continue to restrict concealable weapons (pistols, barrels less than 18.5″)
If things go south, 300+ reserve units have access to the 30 round STANAG magazines and Nato rounds.
At best, a civil war is incited, more likely both sides suffer casualties with the same conclusion. A Citizen reserve force is in the works. 300,000.
Canada needs to form a citizen militia with people trained in basic survival skills, operation and maintenance of firearms, sabotage and concealment, and to give them a proper service weapon.
Recent events have made it abundantly clear that continuing to disarm and not prepare for a threat in plain sight is a bad idea.
Those armed and regulated militias are doing absolute WONDERS in fighting tyranny and injustice to the south of us right now! Barely anyone dying in the streets under the boots of government thugs.
Many people are happy with the direction Canada is now taking. Armed resistance to you is armed insurrection to us.
It seems that the current government is slow walking the whole process and their heart is not in it, but need it for a small part of the anti gun base. Would like to hear from someone WHO HAS ACTUALLY LOST THEIR GUNS.
But the guns are a big part of the anti libtard maga maple. They wouldn’t want to have the facts disrupt their discourse. Hmmmmmmm who does that sound like.
Before everybody piles on, I genuinely would like to hear from actual humans who have personally experienced gun loss, not anecdotal stories.
I would be far more worried about a guy woth a large hunting rifle or a shotgun then the guns they are banning.
 If Ukraine has taught us anything, it is that drones are the future. Our armed resistance will be mass drone production, not some locals with almost assault weapons.Â
 Quit trying to bring 2A to Canada.Â
“We need more guns” then refers to how IED’s not guns killed Canadians in conflict.
You want to prepare for a war with the US get a chemistry book and a drone. Yehaw’s with guns trying to be the next Lee Major are just going to get civilians killed.
Canadian gun politics has always been a proxy culture war issue with the States. The vast majority of Canadians do not want American gun culture. Most Canadians are fine when gun owners look like Elmer Fudd, but not when they look like Desert Storm cosplayers, regurgitating NRA talking points. This is why pro-gun advocates are correct when they point out that banning guns of a certain look is silly (when the ban is framed as a capability issue), but still completely miss the concern of most Canadians.
Because of America’s cultural dominance in the 80’s and 90’s, our solution was to ban guns. It has not been a successful policy in terms of its stated goal of security/safety, but it has been in terms of the unstated goal of keeping American gun culture out of Canada.
Given the recent break with America, we should aim to develop a gun culture of our own that works for us. I still think it may be reactionary to America (see all the people here who want a militia-style culture), but in a different way from the fear of adoption of American culture.
It does worse because when the civilians who had their guns confiscated are asked to do whatever work is necessary, they will now say f u, let the urban Quebecers do it
Regular Americans citizens can own military grade guns. A majority of those that the LPC is trying to confiscate from Canadians aren’t even very powerful. They just look “scary” and have many still-legal alternatives.
Just saying that even if the liberals weren’t trying to disarm its citizens, the said guns aren’t exactly military strength. Ironically, I could see a large underground gun-smuggling operation sprout up that imports more powerful American weaponsÂ
Any chance of an armed resistance hinges more on a properly funded (and large, personnel-wise) military. Resistance long-term against a military as large and powerful as the US’ will require foreign support, like pretty much all historical examples.
Civilian resistance would otherwise need to be more comprehensive than just firefights, and would probably look more like someone’s idea of terrorism or infrastructure sabotage.
I did not have much of a stance on gun control or gun rights until this past year. Now I’m very very firmly in the right to arm ourselves, with the appropriate safe guards. I strongly urge you all to get your PAL, or least learn how to use a gun.
I understand there’s a fear about access to weapons will allow the mentally unwell to do horrible things, but we can easily resolve this by providing mental health resources and support, and continue being strict about who will have access to these weapons.
I can’t help but feel that every time I hear this line, it’s simply the appropriation of the current Canadian zeitgeist by the pro-gun crowd. I don’t like it because if this is our primary decision making calculus, then it leads in the other direction: we should be more robustly arming (and maybe training?) our civilian populace.
I think we should have coherent and cogent gun laws, and that includes being skeptical of certain restrictions, but I don’t really love this rhetorical line.