That’s actually a good thing. Just like Trump help us get Carney elected, now he is insuring that Alberta’s referendum will lead to a big “Hell no”.
Thanks Trump for reviving the Canadian Pride like no one ever before.
All united agains him.
THAAAT-AINT-FALCO on
The reality is that the numbers don’t support this in Alberta (~20%). Like, at all.
Best play here is let Smith et al. play their game for a bit while Minnesota shows us how that would look.
PoliticalSasquatch on
This is how it starts, it’s the Russian playbook for destabilizing a country by amplifying domestic issues. Unfortunately social media has given them a tool so powerful it doesn’t take nearly as long to create these effects.
We have had it so good for so long people take this easy life for granted when compared to our parents/grandparents generation. Creates this wild feeling of being owed something and a me first attitude that drives an irreparable wedge between neighbours and society at large. It’s times like these we ought to be working together to solve issues and present a united front against those who seek to burn everything down to make themselves feel better.
MTL_Dude666 on
Need we say more?
“Danielle Smith, the province’s conservative premier and a former radio host, authorized the petition by changing the rules without first verifying the constitutionality of the question. She maintains close ties with the Trumpist sphere, refusing to openly criticize the US president, unlike other elected officials in her country.”
CzechUsOut on
I know a lot of people don’t think this is going to go anywhere but I feel like it can really pick up traction under an intense media campaign leading up to a referendum. Even if the vote is close and choosing to remain I think the US will use it as a pretext to “support” Alberta against its oppressor Canada.
Like it or not but a lot of Albertans feel they have got the shitty end of the stick from the feds over the last decade. Before anyone brings up the feds buying TMX, think about the events that lead up to the company abandoning the project in the first place.
Bald_Cliff on
the US – despite our historic relationship with them. Is a rogue police on the brink of collapse.
I sure hope our government is prepared to shut the border down at a moments notice, suspend all intelligence, military co-operation, airspace.
I would however like to see the ability for American refugees who are sponsored by Canadian citizens to be allowed to resettle here.
arcadianahana on
The way the federal government can fight back in Canada’s interest? Immediately ban American social media platforms from operating in Canada, at minimum, Meta products and X.
ETA Tiktok too, to protect the brain capacity of our youth.
ninfan1977 on
You mean USA is interfering with Alberta with misinformation to destabilize Canada.
Because that is what is happening, I have seen it first hand.
The Republicans know to win over Conservatives is to lie to their faces.
Some will support it but it will not except 15% of the population.
These people be punished and so do the Conservatives who are working with the Republicans on this.
grathontolarsdatarod on
Make sure its pen, paper, and ink for that referendum.
Don’t need american voting machines anywhere near our democracy.
Beginning_Lab_4423 on
Alberta media and politicians are completely owned by US oil interests from retained revenues. They gave them away under Lougheed and Klein. Otherwise, they might have a sustainable plan to migrate from last century’s oil dependency that sends all financial rewards to Texas.
Good luck joining the US from their landlocked position when all the disenfranchised southerners show up looking for work. Alberta is xenophobic now. Consider that hot mess.
Goodman_Junior on
We have to tighten the loose ends in Alberta. This could be a strategy of our friends in the south to break Canada from within. It’s a time to band together, rather than raise separatist threats.
fishymanbits on
Funny, I just explained how Alberta separatism has been an ongoing psyop by the US going back more than 200 years because British North America and the Hudson’s Bay Company were in the way of American Manifest Destiny. And then things have only become more difficult for them as Canada became its own nation, but they figured out how to get us to completely fuck ourselves by pushing anti-NEP propaganda in Alberta. Which the Russians learned from and used to destabilize the US during and after the civil rights movement right up until today.
Stuff like this makes me think that China was very smart to create their “great firewall”.
With the amount of influence that algorithms have and the ease of reaching millions of people across all age groups, there’s infinite potential for hostile parties to sew discontent and push their agendas while masquerading as Canadians.
Who knows how many of the people you see arguing, lamenting, and sharing their opinions on Canada are American, Chinese, Russian, Indian, Israeli, etc, trying to weaken Canada.
FederationEDH on
My apologies for my fellow Albertans, I only moved here for the cheap housing and the province being English unlike my home province of Quebec.
Feels like a different world sometimes.
execilue on
I used to think the Chinese fire wall or indias blocking of various social media platforms was to far And authoritarian.
I now see the error of my ways. We need to ban American news and social media. Canada and the EU need to form our own protected online bloc. There are bad actors out there actively attempting to cause division. As seen by so many examples both from American and Russian and whoever else.
For our democracies sake we have to do it. It’s not about freedom of speech it’s about protecting our liberty and way of life.
waydaws on
Canada should start posting all the US government ICE recruitment slogans and relate them to the same slogans used by white supremacist and neo-nazi groups. While the above is true, we should also remember that half-truths and misinformation are being used by the US, and that one can respond in kind.
Every false claim that the US utters about Canada should be exploited by SEO experts to show similar but even more outrageous claims to make them look even more ridiculous than they are and make it clear that the US is trying to manipulate opinion.
Anything said about Canada not defending the arctic should be linked to “rumours” that Canada is considering pulling out of NORAD, with headlines like Good luck with the Golden Dome, (the US would be hard pressed to stop cruise missiles coming at the 12 O’clock without them the idiot politicians don’t know that but their military does.
Anything said about Canada’s so-called sellout to China, should be linked to clips of Trump signing his agreement with China in October to reduce the trade tariffs earlier this year, and just finished meeting in Geneva and the talks in Sweden this week. They’ll result in tariff rollbacks by both parties, and is good fodder to use.
Statements Trump makes about Auto Industry should be again be linked to (fake) reports that indicate that Canada is considering stopping all the supply chain that is in Canada completely unless Tariffs are dropped, saying Canada is willing to see if the US Auto manufacturers can indeed go it alone without Canada. If Canada really did that (not that we would), it would cause chaos in their Auto sector, which they couldn’t adapt to in the short term, and to adapt to it in medium term would take billions to do.
Misinformation seems to be fair game in politics, and anyone can play that game. Similarly, when they start making comments about pulling out of CUSMA talks SEO pensioning and misinformation ads should be used to direct topic searchers to fake claims that Canada, while scraping the Digital Service Tax, has been planning an alternative, namely to introduce a Diverted Profit Tax for Social Media companies and ad platforms making money off of Canadian purchasers, and that Canada may be considering blocking the underlying ad networks (that might not be technically possible).
When Trump starts tweeting about how well his economy is doing similar techniques should be used to show that there is not only an EU, but an Asian movement to start selling American Treasury Bonds off to counter Tariffs.
Just cause them to sputter and look like the ship of fools that they are.
Miami_Mice2087 on
i like that editorial isn’t sane-washing him with the photos anymore. cos you know you gotta get like 100 shots to get 1 where his face doesn’t look like that.
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That’s actually a good thing. Just like Trump help us get Carney elected, now he is insuring that Alberta’s referendum will lead to a big “Hell no”.
Thanks Trump for reviving the Canadian Pride like no one ever before.
All united agains him.
The reality is that the numbers don’t support this in Alberta (~20%). Like, at all.
Best play here is let Smith et al. play their game for a bit while Minnesota shows us how that would look.
This is how it starts, it’s the Russian playbook for destabilizing a country by amplifying domestic issues. Unfortunately social media has given them a tool so powerful it doesn’t take nearly as long to create these effects.
We have had it so good for so long people take this easy life for granted when compared to our parents/grandparents generation. Creates this wild feeling of being owed something and a me first attitude that drives an irreparable wedge between neighbours and society at large. It’s times like these we ought to be working together to solve issues and present a united front against those who seek to burn everything down to make themselves feel better.
Need we say more?
“Danielle Smith, the province’s conservative premier and a former radio host, authorized the petition by changing the rules without first verifying the constitutionality of the question. She maintains close ties with the Trumpist sphere, refusing to openly criticize the US president, unlike other elected officials in her country.”
I know a lot of people don’t think this is going to go anywhere but I feel like it can really pick up traction under an intense media campaign leading up to a referendum. Even if the vote is close and choosing to remain I think the US will use it as a pretext to “support” Alberta against its oppressor Canada.
Like it or not but a lot of Albertans feel they have got the shitty end of the stick from the feds over the last decade. Before anyone brings up the feds buying TMX, think about the events that lead up to the company abandoning the project in the first place.
the US – despite our historic relationship with them. Is a rogue police on the brink of collapse.
I sure hope our government is prepared to shut the border down at a moments notice, suspend all intelligence, military co-operation, airspace.
I would however like to see the ability for American refugees who are sponsored by Canadian citizens to be allowed to resettle here.
The way the federal government can fight back in Canada’s interest? Immediately ban American social media platforms from operating in Canada, at minimum, Meta products and X.
ETA Tiktok too, to protect the brain capacity of our youth.
You mean USA is interfering with Alberta with misinformation to destabilize Canada.
Because that is what is happening, I have seen it first hand.
The Republicans know to win over Conservatives is to lie to their faces.
Some will support it but it will not except 15% of the population.
These people be punished and so do the Conservatives who are working with the Republicans on this.
Make sure its pen, paper, and ink for that referendum.
Don’t need american voting machines anywhere near our democracy.
Alberta media and politicians are completely owned by US oil interests from retained revenues. They gave them away under Lougheed and Klein. Otherwise, they might have a sustainable plan to migrate from last century’s oil dependency that sends all financial rewards to Texas.
Good luck joining the US from their landlocked position when all the disenfranchised southerners show up looking for work. Alberta is xenophobic now. Consider that hot mess.
We have to tighten the loose ends in Alberta. This could be a strategy of our friends in the south to break Canada from within. It’s a time to band together, rather than raise separatist threats.
Funny, I just explained how Alberta separatism has been an ongoing psyop by the US going back more than 200 years because British North America and the Hudson’s Bay Company were in the way of American Manifest Destiny. And then things have only become more difficult for them as Canada became its own nation, but they figured out how to get us to completely fuck ourselves by pushing anti-NEP propaganda in Alberta. Which the Russians learned from and used to destabilize the US during and after the civil rights movement right up until today.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPolitics/s/wwKoc6wP2B
Stuff like this makes me think that China was very smart to create their “great firewall”.
With the amount of influence that algorithms have and the ease of reaching millions of people across all age groups, there’s infinite potential for hostile parties to sew discontent and push their agendas while masquerading as Canadians.
Who knows how many of the people you see arguing, lamenting, and sharing their opinions on Canada are American, Chinese, Russian, Indian, Israeli, etc, trying to weaken Canada.
My apologies for my fellow Albertans, I only moved here for the cheap housing and the province being English unlike my home province of Quebec.
Feels like a different world sometimes.
I used to think the Chinese fire wall or indias blocking of various social media platforms was to far And authoritarian.
I now see the error of my ways. We need to ban American news and social media. Canada and the EU need to form our own protected online bloc. There are bad actors out there actively attempting to cause division. As seen by so many examples both from American and Russian and whoever else.
For our democracies sake we have to do it. It’s not about freedom of speech it’s about protecting our liberty and way of life.
Canada should start posting all the US government ICE recruitment slogans and relate them to the same slogans used by white supremacist and neo-nazi groups. While the above is true, we should also remember that half-truths and misinformation are being used by the US, and that one can respond in kind.
Every false claim that the US utters about Canada should be exploited by SEO experts to show similar but even more outrageous claims to make them look even more ridiculous than they are and make it clear that the US is trying to manipulate opinion.
Anything said about Canada not defending the arctic should be linked to “rumours” that Canada is considering pulling out of NORAD, with headlines like Good luck with the Golden Dome, (the US would be hard pressed to stop cruise missiles coming at the 12 O’clock without them the idiot politicians don’t know that but their military does.
Anything said about Canada’s so-called sellout to China, should be linked to clips of Trump signing his agreement with China in October to reduce the trade tariffs earlier this year, and just finished meeting in Geneva and the talks in Sweden this week. They’ll result in tariff rollbacks by both parties, and is good fodder to use.
Statements Trump makes about Auto Industry should be again be linked to (fake) reports that indicate that Canada is considering stopping all the supply chain that is in Canada completely unless Tariffs are dropped, saying Canada is willing to see if the US Auto manufacturers can indeed go it alone without Canada. If Canada really did that (not that we would), it would cause chaos in their Auto sector, which they couldn’t adapt to in the short term, and to adapt to it in medium term would take billions to do.
Misinformation seems to be fair game in politics, and anyone can play that game. Similarly, when they start making comments about pulling out of CUSMA talks SEO pensioning and misinformation ads should be used to direct topic searchers to fake claims that Canada, while scraping the Digital Service Tax, has been planning an alternative, namely to introduce a Diverted Profit Tax for Social Media companies and ad platforms making money off of Canadian purchasers, and that Canada may be considering blocking the underlying ad networks (that might not be technically possible).
When Trump starts tweeting about how well his economy is doing similar techniques should be used to show that there is not only an EU, but an Asian movement to start selling American Treasury Bonds off to counter Tariffs.
Just cause them to sputter and look like the ship of fools that they are.
i like that editorial isn’t sane-washing him with the photos anymore. cos you know you gotta get like 100 shots to get 1 where his face doesn’t look like that.
There’s gotta be a federal sedition-related law about accepting foreign funds to destabilize our country or politically influence it. Found a law that might be applicable: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/F-29.2/FullText.html