Politicians should probably work on stuff like housing costs putting homeownership out of reach for the younger gen before asking them not to become extreme tbh
JackLaytonsMoustache on
But… that’s the entire appeal.
These aren’t 18 year old fiscal hawks, theyre attracted to the far right because they get to “own the libz”. MAGA and the Convoy crowd are not conservative movements. Theyre reactionary and contrarian towards anything they deem “woke”.Â
If they were actually passionate about smaller government, rather than weaponizing government to hurt their opponents, then it would be a different story. But they cheer on authoritarianism, bigotry and hatred.
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Flynn58 on
Must they? We may *want* them to reject it, but from what I see, that’s the whole *appeal* for them! They *like* doing this, and telling them we don’t like it will only make them laugh harder.
iDareToDream on
Asking young men not to join the conservatives is a really misguided appeal that ignores one of the biggest problems the left has right now with regards to young men: why they tend to lean right in the first place. A lot of these right leaning influencers appeal to young men simply they provide a male role model type figure that is lacking in the lives of younger men. The left simply does not have any or at least enough male influencers that can compete for social media attention in the feeds of young men and provide enough compelling reasons for them to eventually adopt left leaning positions as opposed to right leaning ones. Where are the popular left leaning male influencers? Do they exist? If they do, why are they struggling to get the attention of young men? If they don’t exist, then the left has to solve that problem first if they want to bring this demographic back into the fold.
Solving the issues facing young people doesn’t address some of the critiques young people have about the left – that left leaning leaders don’t feel authentic, aren’t bold or don’t acknowledge the issues that young men are facing. Right leaning influencers at the very least are able to tap into the sense of rage and hopelessness that young men are feeling. And in this day and age, publicly acknowledging the feeling of a demographic is a great way to get their buy-in.
Macqt on
If we want to save young conservatives we need to give them quality candidates to look up to. People like Trump and Hitler win when things are bad because they promise to fix everything, and people want it fixed. Maybe they do, maybe they don’t, but people want change from whoever they perceive as the cause of things being bad.
In a world where young men are often told how bad they are, or how they’re wrong for having their own views and opinions on things, it’s not surprising they turn to shitbags like Tate and Kirk who agree with them and tell them they’re not wrong.
Agent_Burrito on
Kinda hard to do that when their frontal lobes are still developing, are prone to make bad decisions, and find all sorts of edginess and cringe appealing. The only way to truly start to make a dent on the issue is by regulating social media platforms and holding them accountable.
mummified_cosmonaut on
This phenomenon is hilariously exaggerated.
The funny thing about media bubbles is the left and right are more likely to learn about the other’s fringe personalities than their own because algorithms favour content that will make people angry-engaged. Which for most people will be the crudest representation of their opposing ideology.
I saw a really funny email a few years ago that circulated among Conservatives about Diagolon. It was just forwards and replies of deer in the headlights confused people who had never heard of the group or Jeremy Mackenzie but were getting inquiries from journalists and could ascertain no more than what Google served up.
MTL_Dude666 on
Young people angry at the world should first have a good look at themselves in the mirror and accept that the root of the world’s problems is often because of our own incapacity to understand its complexity and not because of some illusionary “them”.
CaptainCanusa on
> To understand why this is happening, we must come to terms with a deeper reality. The social and economic promises made to us by previous generations have simply not been realized for many young people today. The social contract that hard work would yield the birthright of stability and upward mobility now feels distant if not entirely out of reach.
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> When legitimate frustrations go unaddressed, people search for explanations.
I don’t know man, I *guess*.
But I feel like getting a job at Tim Horton’s at 16 isn’t what stopped me from becoming a racist misogynist, you know? And why isn’t it happening to women in the same way?
Might be worth looking also at the massive bad faith network of conservative voices willing to lie and mislead young men in order to enrich themselves.
What do you think happens to an angry young man when he finds a community willing to tell him nothing is his fault and actually the world is his birthright and women, minorities and traitorous libs are stealing it from him?
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Politicians should probably work on stuff like housing costs putting homeownership out of reach for the younger gen before asking them not to become extreme tbh
But… that’s the entire appeal.
These aren’t 18 year old fiscal hawks, theyre attracted to the far right because they get to “own the libz”. MAGA and the Convoy crowd are not conservative movements. Theyre reactionary and contrarian towards anything they deem “woke”.Â
If they were actually passionate about smaller government, rather than weaponizing government to hurt their opponents, then it would be a different story. But they cheer on authoritarianism, bigotry and hatred.
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Must they? We may *want* them to reject it, but from what I see, that’s the whole *appeal* for them! They *like* doing this, and telling them we don’t like it will only make them laugh harder.
Asking young men not to join the conservatives is a really misguided appeal that ignores one of the biggest problems the left has right now with regards to young men: why they tend to lean right in the first place. A lot of these right leaning influencers appeal to young men simply they provide a male role model type figure that is lacking in the lives of younger men. The left simply does not have any or at least enough male influencers that can compete for social media attention in the feeds of young men and provide enough compelling reasons for them to eventually adopt left leaning positions as opposed to right leaning ones. Where are the popular left leaning male influencers? Do they exist? If they do, why are they struggling to get the attention of young men? If they don’t exist, then the left has to solve that problem first if they want to bring this demographic back into the fold.
Solving the issues facing young people doesn’t address some of the critiques young people have about the left – that left leaning leaders don’t feel authentic, aren’t bold or don’t acknowledge the issues that young men are facing. Right leaning influencers at the very least are able to tap into the sense of rage and hopelessness that young men are feeling. And in this day and age, publicly acknowledging the feeling of a demographic is a great way to get their buy-in.
If we want to save young conservatives we need to give them quality candidates to look up to. People like Trump and Hitler win when things are bad because they promise to fix everything, and people want it fixed. Maybe they do, maybe they don’t, but people want change from whoever they perceive as the cause of things being bad.
In a world where young men are often told how bad they are, or how they’re wrong for having their own views and opinions on things, it’s not surprising they turn to shitbags like Tate and Kirk who agree with them and tell them they’re not wrong.
Kinda hard to do that when their frontal lobes are still developing, are prone to make bad decisions, and find all sorts of edginess and cringe appealing. The only way to truly start to make a dent on the issue is by regulating social media platforms and holding them accountable.
This phenomenon is hilariously exaggerated.
The funny thing about media bubbles is the left and right are more likely to learn about the other’s fringe personalities than their own because algorithms favour content that will make people angry-engaged. Which for most people will be the crudest representation of their opposing ideology.
I saw a really funny email a few years ago that circulated among Conservatives about Diagolon. It was just forwards and replies of deer in the headlights confused people who had never heard of the group or Jeremy Mackenzie but were getting inquiries from journalists and could ascertain no more than what Google served up.
Young people angry at the world should first have a good look at themselves in the mirror and accept that the root of the world’s problems is often because of our own incapacity to understand its complexity and not because of some illusionary “them”.
> To understand why this is happening, we must come to terms with a deeper reality. The social and economic promises made to us by previous generations have simply not been realized for many young people today. The social contract that hard work would yield the birthright of stability and upward mobility now feels distant if not entirely out of reach.
>
> When legitimate frustrations go unaddressed, people search for explanations.
I don’t know man, I *guess*.
But I feel like getting a job at Tim Horton’s at 16 isn’t what stopped me from becoming a racist misogynist, you know? And why isn’t it happening to women in the same way?
Might be worth looking also at the massive bad faith network of conservative voices willing to lie and mislead young men in order to enrich themselves.
What do you think happens to an angry young man when he finds a community willing to tell him nothing is his fault and actually the world is his birthright and women, minorities and traitorous libs are stealing it from him?