Man. I was always solidly behind the F-35 choice… But this guy is really triggering the “Fuck you I won’t do what you tell me” part of my brain.
Bitwhys2003 on
They should have thought of that before they decided to be pricks about everything. Who builds those things? Everything points to them being short of expansion capital. I’m trying to short something
Opposite-Cranberry76 on
Optimistic of him to assume F35’s would be more likely to be in flyable condition if they were needed to intercept Russian incursions.
BertramPotts on
Then why on earth would we spend billions of dollars of our treasure on the program? Just for the privilege of pretending we have any say in the matter?
AA is a lot cheaper then an aerial dog fighter, and looking a lot more useful for the future needs of Canada’s military.
tiboodchat on
So not buying billions worth of planes is a justification for invading airspace of a sovereign country? I’m tired.
TranslatorTough8977 on
In an emergency those F35s will probably be in the hangar getting maintenance, where they spend the vast majority of their time.
Mirageswirl on
Canada need to steadily eliminate or minimize every vector of leverage that the US has over Canada. Buying F35s and golden dome participation will only increase that leverage.
Bright-Ad8496 on
The problem with purchasing the F35 jets there’s no “kill switch” but, the U.S. controls necessary technical updates, and potential withholding of these could render the aircraft inoperable. We will always be under Trump’s abuse of power and unable to get away from his abuse.
AdSevere1274 on
Americans are desperate. No country wants to buy their cr-apy aircrafts anymore so they are resorting to bullying as usual. What he is stating is against international laws and they are acting like a rogue state demanding to occupying other countries. So what is new. They have lost it.
StormMission907 on
Can we kick this mouthpiece out of our country. He’s the most idiotic ambassador that’s ever set foot in this country
Alarmed_Cry4081 on
We’ll invade your space without your consent unless you buy our expensive weapons – which we control. What fresh hell is this?? Expel Hoaxstra already.
cheesaremorgia on
This makes absolutely no sense, of course. Our outdated current fleet does not match up to what they have and that’s made no impact on NORAD.
Tiny-Albatross518 on
The Americans are going to have to adapt to taking “get stuffed” for an answer.
Comes with the territory when you become completely untrustworthy and unreliable.
PigeonsOnYourBalcony on
So it’s protection money now? America voting for a truly pathetic administration. Please boycott the US if you haven’t already started.
Mr_Guavo on
“U.S. will have to send its own fighter jets into Canadian airspace if Ottawa doesn’t buy 88 F-35s.”
OUR airspace. If this is even actually required in the first place, you will ask permission before doing so. The Gripens are much better suited to operating, landing and taking off in the Arctic. Plus, they will be closer to 100% available for duty, as opposed to the F-35s, which are available only 55% of the time to the Americans, who have dibs on all spare parts, no matter which NATO country has them in their possession. So, actually, less than half the time, the planes will be available for duty.
finding_focus on
You mean we need to purchase the overpriced, perpetually delayed, consistently buggy, American controlled planes? Nah, we good.
Mirabeaux1789 on
> If Canada doesn’t go ahead with purchasing 88 of the jets, that would mean the United States would have to buy more of the advanced fighter aircraft for its own air force, Hoekstra told the CBC during a recent interview at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona.
Ok?
Personally, I think Canada should accept the F 35s just to have a bit of equal-er footing with the US Air Force.
Reasonable-Sweet9320 on
Public “Diplomacy” using threats and coercion.
Sweden incentivized Canada to buy the Gryphon while emphasizing the ties between the two countries.
South Korea is sending a delegation to Canada and will use similar messaging to encourage Canada to buy South Korean subs.
But for some reason our formerly closest ally is using language and tactics that reinforce what Carney said in Davos.
Major-Thom on
That noise you just heard? That’s the collective anguish of Lockheed screaming “what the fuck are you doing, not like that!”
Of all the tenders the F35 has out there, how many have been sidelined over the last week and a half? Trump has been keen to fuck with any and all industries, but I imagine the military industrial complex is the very last one he wants to piss off.
“U.S. President Donald Trump’s ambassador to Canada is warning of consequences to the continental defence pact if Canada does not move forward with the purchase of 88 F-35 fighter jets.
“NORAD would have to be altered,” U.S. Ambassador to Canada Pete Hoekstra told CBC News in an exclusive interview at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona.
He says the United States would likely need to purchase more of the advanced fighter aircraft for its own air force, and would fly them more often into Canadian airspace to address threats approaching the U.S.
If Canada is no longer going to provide that [capability], then we have to fill those gaps,” said Hoekstra.
The North American Air Defence Command (NORAD) is a decades-old partnership between Canada and the United States which tracks inbound threats and scrambles armed jets to intercept where appropriate.
It allows the closest aircraft to respond, and there have been multiple recent instances where the U.S. military has flown into Canada.
In September, American F-15s responded near Calgary after a bomb threat on a German airliner. Two years earlier, an American F-22 shot down a suspicious cylindrical balloon floating over Yukon.
Ambassador Hoekstra describes the current defence relationship as “awesome,” but says such interventions by the U.S. military over Canada would increase if Canada does not increase its purchase of F-35s beyond the 16 currently on order.
Hoekstra’s remarks were met with caution by some. ”
From my understanding of the reliability of these planes, especially in arctic conditions, we won’t see many flying over our land.
Abject_Rhubarb_3430 on
BuY away USA.
As a sovereign nation Canada can make their own business decisions that work best for them.
And there is no worry that updates to software are not held hostage or info is not sent to non NATO allies.
riseagan on
Aren’t Canada and the US already able operate in eachothers airspace? I live pretty close to a US air base and they fly over us all the time.
sPLIFFtOOTH on
Why are they so obsessed with us? Fuck off! We’re not interested.
This is the type of foreign affairs you get from a country run by sexual predators.
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AprilsMostAmazing on
Pick Gripen and be done with it. Then dismantle the F35 part by part that we have already bought, that’s if they ever show up.
The American conservative government is the biggest threat to our existence. We need to make moves, anyone supporting them domestically or furthering their agenda we need to move against
OfficeFormal3184 on
Objectively we need the f-35, Canada has been invested in it for far too long. And it absolutely is a more effective than alternatives considering our defensive realities. I’m glad that depsite the politics the Canadian and American military relationship is largely untouched. The f-35 was cancelled once, and they are set to deliver this year. You don’t tell the world you’re doubling arms spending and then cut or cancel fighter jet delivery’s for 5th get fighter aircraft, without people thinking you aren’t serious. The relationship between Canada and the U.S. sucks right now, aboslutely, but it could be a lot worse and I think all things considered the government is doing a decent job. I expect they don’t want to make things harder for everyone by escalating to cancel it, it’s a political issue on multiple fronts.
BuffaloSufficient758 on
I think there is a 3rd option. But the the f-35s we agreed to but station them in Europe bc the most likely potential theatres are Europe and the Middle East. Build the Gripen for domestic use
fishling on
To do what? Land them and leave them as gifts? Or to bomb our cities?
Like, if they are just flying around, it’s pretty rude and antagonistic but I’ll deal with it.
If it’s more “buy our stuff or we go to war”, then WTF drugs are you on?
pax256 on
With an availability rate of as low as 30% if we only buy the F35 we wont be able to operate properly for NORAD with just 88 planes. With an availability rate of up to 90% the Gripen should be part of the fleet even if we buy the full 88 F35’s we contracted for. If we had ~60 Gripen added to the CAF we would still have a modest fleet of about 150 fighters.
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Man. I was always solidly behind the F-35 choice… But this guy is really triggering the “Fuck you I won’t do what you tell me” part of my brain.
They should have thought of that before they decided to be pricks about everything. Who builds those things? Everything points to them being short of expansion capital. I’m trying to short something
Optimistic of him to assume F35’s would be more likely to be in flyable condition if they were needed to intercept Russian incursions.
Then why on earth would we spend billions of dollars of our treasure on the program? Just for the privilege of pretending we have any say in the matter?
AA is a lot cheaper then an aerial dog fighter, and looking a lot more useful for the future needs of Canada’s military.
So not buying billions worth of planes is a justification for invading airspace of a sovereign country? I’m tired.
In an emergency those F35s will probably be in the hangar getting maintenance, where they spend the vast majority of their time.
Canada need to steadily eliminate or minimize every vector of leverage that the US has over Canada. Buying F35s and golden dome participation will only increase that leverage.
The problem with purchasing the F35 jets there’s no “kill switch” but, the U.S. controls necessary technical updates, and potential withholding of these could render the aircraft inoperable. We will always be under Trump’s abuse of power and unable to get away from his abuse.
Americans are desperate. No country wants to buy their cr-apy aircrafts anymore so they are resorting to bullying as usual. What he is stating is against international laws and they are acting like a rogue state demanding to occupying other countries. So what is new. They have lost it.
Can we kick this mouthpiece out of our country. He’s the most idiotic ambassador that’s ever set foot in this country
We’ll invade your space without your consent unless you buy our expensive weapons – which we control. What fresh hell is this?? Expel Hoaxstra already.
This makes absolutely no sense, of course. Our outdated current fleet does not match up to what they have and that’s made no impact on NORAD.
The Americans are going to have to adapt to taking “get stuffed” for an answer.
Comes with the territory when you become completely untrustworthy and unreliable.
So it’s protection money now? America voting for a truly pathetic administration. Please boycott the US if you haven’t already started.
“U.S. will have to send its own fighter jets into Canadian airspace if Ottawa doesn’t buy 88 F-35s.”
OUR airspace. If this is even actually required in the first place, you will ask permission before doing so. The Gripens are much better suited to operating, landing and taking off in the Arctic. Plus, they will be closer to 100% available for duty, as opposed to the F-35s, which are available only 55% of the time to the Americans, who have dibs on all spare parts, no matter which NATO country has them in their possession. So, actually, less than half the time, the planes will be available for duty.
You mean we need to purchase the overpriced, perpetually delayed, consistently buggy, American controlled planes? Nah, we good.
> If Canada doesn’t go ahead with purchasing 88 of the jets, that would mean the United States would have to buy more of the advanced fighter aircraft for its own air force, Hoekstra told the CBC during a recent interview at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona.
Ok?
Personally, I think Canada should accept the F 35s just to have a bit of equal-er footing with the US Air Force.
Public “Diplomacy” using threats and coercion.
Sweden incentivized Canada to buy the Gryphon while emphasizing the ties between the two countries.
South Korea is sending a delegation to Canada and will use similar messaging to encourage Canada to buy South Korean subs.
But for some reason our formerly closest ally is using language and tactics that reinforce what Carney said in Davos.
That noise you just heard? That’s the collective anguish of Lockheed screaming “what the fuck are you doing, not like that!”
Of all the tenders the F35 has out there, how many have been sidelined over the last week and a half? Trump has been keen to fuck with any and all industries, but I imagine the military industrial complex is the very last one he wants to piss off.
More in this article. No paywall.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/norad-canada-us-f35-9.7059800
Excerpts:
“U.S. President Donald Trump’s ambassador to Canada is warning of consequences to the continental defence pact if Canada does not move forward with the purchase of 88 F-35 fighter jets.
“NORAD would have to be altered,” U.S. Ambassador to Canada Pete Hoekstra told CBC News in an exclusive interview at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona.
He says the United States would likely need to purchase more of the advanced fighter aircraft for its own air force, and would fly them more often into Canadian airspace to address threats approaching the U.S.
If Canada is no longer going to provide that [capability], then we have to fill those gaps,” said Hoekstra.
The North American Air Defence Command (NORAD) is a decades-old partnership between Canada and the United States which tracks inbound threats and scrambles armed jets to intercept where appropriate.
It allows the closest aircraft to respond, and there have been multiple recent instances where the U.S. military has flown into Canada.
In September, American F-15s responded near Calgary after a bomb threat on a German airliner. Two years earlier, an American F-22 shot down a suspicious cylindrical balloon floating over Yukon.
Ambassador Hoekstra describes the current defence relationship as “awesome,” but says such interventions by the U.S. military over Canada would increase if Canada does not increase its purchase of F-35s beyond the 16 currently on order.
Hoekstra’s remarks were met with caution by some. ”
More in the article:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/norad-canada-us-f35-9.7059800
From my understanding of the reliability of these planes, especially in arctic conditions, we won’t see many flying over our land.
BuY away USA.
As a sovereign nation Canada can make their own business decisions that work best for them.
And there is no worry that updates to software are not held hostage or info is not sent to non NATO allies.
Aren’t Canada and the US already able operate in eachothers airspace? I live pretty close to a US air base and they fly over us all the time.
Why are they so obsessed with us? Fuck off! We’re not interested.
This is the type of foreign affairs you get from a country run by sexual predators.
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Pick Gripen and be done with it. Then dismantle the F35 part by part that we have already bought, that’s if they ever show up.
The American conservative government is the biggest threat to our existence. We need to make moves, anyone supporting them domestically or furthering their agenda we need to move against
Objectively we need the f-35, Canada has been invested in it for far too long. And it absolutely is a more effective than alternatives considering our defensive realities. I’m glad that depsite the politics the Canadian and American military relationship is largely untouched. The f-35 was cancelled once, and they are set to deliver this year. You don’t tell the world you’re doubling arms spending and then cut or cancel fighter jet delivery’s for 5th get fighter aircraft, without people thinking you aren’t serious. The relationship between Canada and the U.S. sucks right now, aboslutely, but it could be a lot worse and I think all things considered the government is doing a decent job. I expect they don’t want to make things harder for everyone by escalating to cancel it, it’s a political issue on multiple fronts.
I think there is a 3rd option. But the the f-35s we agreed to but station them in Europe bc the most likely potential theatres are Europe and the Middle East. Build the Gripen for domestic use
To do what? Land them and leave them as gifts? Or to bomb our cities?
Like, if they are just flying around, it’s pretty rude and antagonistic but I’ll deal with it.
If it’s more “buy our stuff or we go to war”, then WTF drugs are you on?
With an availability rate of as low as 30% if we only buy the F35 we wont be able to operate properly for NORAD with just 88 planes. With an availability rate of up to 90% the Gripen should be part of the fleet even if we buy the full 88 F35’s we contracted for. If we had ~60 Gripen added to the CAF we would still have a modest fleet of about 150 fighters.