There is always Russia! They go to movies, buy cars and music, they support American industry and science, culture and literature. 🇷🇺
Apprehensive_Idea758 on
Canada or any other nations trade deals with other nations is absolutely none of Trump’s business and Trump seriously needs to back off, he’s already proven that he cannot even run his own country.
Famous_Bit_5119 on
Donny dum-dum is just mad because he got laughed at and Carney got applause.
Fantastic_Chest1531 on
Fucking right. I’m done with them. Hope we don’t send any crews down to help with the storm either
Street_Anon on
He’ll do it, next the Stock Market crashes , cries on Truth Social and chickens out.
Few-Education-5613 on
Bullshit Europeans at Davos gave Trump a standing ovation even after he said they suck lol. They’re all cowards.
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colorfort on
U.S. based person. When you destroy alliances in a way that would seem permanent and cause nations to trade around you instead of through/with you the only option left is to decouple and form a series of cultural unions. At this point the break up of the USA looks inevitable.
grand_soul on
I don’t see a line of nations running up behind us to show solidarity.
Yeah, we have SK coming to us for subs, but so far the only nations that willing to work with us are China who is by our own PM’s declaration a security threat to us and Qatar, a nation with a horrible track record of abuse towards slave labour.
Last time we made an assumption about solidarity when dealing with the states, Mexico left us holding the bag during the cusma negotiations.
And with the back pedaling with Carney and Leblanc after Trump threatened 100% tariffs, I don’t see that the liberals are that confident either.
Hell Trumps threat should have been an opportunity our friends in Europe to come back us up, what with them not long ago starring down the barrel with more tariffs with that Greenland nonsense, but they didn’t.
winter_chinook8369 on
What Trump and his mostly, illiterate MAGA cult fail to realize is that the age of American exceptionalism is over. The USA is only 340 million, while the rest of the world is nearly 8 billion. Trade is the lifeblood of a nation. As Trump turns inward with his “Fortress America” policies, the U.S. economy will continue to contract and their dollar will weaken. Trump’s insane blanket global tariff war is really an act of self sabotage. Like putting a gun to your head as tariffs are essentially, taxes on American consumers. Dr. Mark Carney (Harvard – magna cum lauda, plus Oxford – Masters, Phd in Economics) started at Goldman Sachs at only 26 in Manhatten, then worked in Boston, Toronto, London and Tokyo. Carney was also a central banker for both Canada and the UK; he understands the global economy better than anyone. Carney is always the smartest and humblest person in the room. And Trump knows it, so he lashes out at Canada in a hissy fit, like a spoiled, entitled child. 100% tariffs on Canada’s exports to the U.S. this week; because Carney got a standing ovation for his speech at Davos and Trump sounded like the crazy old drunk at the end of the bar. 96% of Trump’s 100% tariffs on Canada will be charged back to Americans in higher prices on Canadian goods. Dumb. Make America Poor Again!
Insanely-Mad on
Lol who wrote this drivel???. America is not alone….lmao. America is doing well surprisingly.
bigorangemachine on
FWIW the author is a former MP 🙂
SasquatchBlumpkins on
Like it or not, the US isn’t alone and shit articles like this gaslight the fact that the US is still the most powerful country on earth with smaller nations lining up to be their friend. There are a significant amount of countries who do not attend WEF gatherings. The only one saying it’s alone is American and Canadian media, along with the other European media outlets like BBC who hate him.
Also I like how they conveniently ignore the speeches which say that the US is necessary for world security, such as this one who is everyone’s darling in Europe.
***Volodymyr Zelenskyy, President of Ukraine***
*A special address, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy spoke about Russian aggression against Ukraine, the international justice system and security guarantees for the post war scenario.*
*Zelenskyy mentioned the need for a European “coalition of action” and said “no security guarantees work without the US”. He also called for united armed forces for Europe and questioned NATO’s readiness to respond to aggression.*
There was also a speech by one of the WEF secretaries who stated that without the US policing the world and Trump calling countries out for relegating their militaries to the backburner then most of the world would still be well, well below the 2% agreed upon amount.
Again, the US isn’t alone in the world regardless of the spin and narrative put on it.
I expect that I’ll be brigaded and downvoted for pointing this out but the information is out there, some on the WEF site itself, that contradicts the idiocy of the media.
Agreeable_Manner2848 on
I mean I’m pretty Israel, Australia, Japan, South Korea and more will tow the line, none of them really have a choice at this point
_Fauxpaw on
Actually, at this moment it proved neither – we’re still waiting to see how the “petitioners to emperor Trump” will fall just yet. Will they continue trying to scrabble over each other to be the first to appease Trump, or get some actual backbone? That 100% tariff is scary. It functions as a coercive lever to make those petitioners kneel.
We haven’t seen any ***coordinated***, middle-power action thus far. Mark’s speech was so good, however, that it *appears* to have thrown a buoy to Trump opposition abroad. We still have to wait and see how things shake down. The reality of opposing the largest economic and militarized force on the planet isn’t going to be easy. Practical realism is important to maintain, though I’m certainly not opposed to hope-posting.
I trust in Mark to continue making deals. There is plenty of room to work Canada as *partial* replacement to the increasingly unpredictable US economic hegemony.
federicovidalz on
It’d be also nice to start using other names too. America is the continent and the United States, the country.
MicrosoftPaintRules on
Seems like a lot of people reacting to Carney’s speech are missing the most important part.
1) He called out the international rules based order as a lie, and admitted it’s always has been a lie. This is factually correct, and I guess you can call that brave, it certainly needed to be said. Was it smart for our leader to choose now to do it, is debatable.
The main problem is the implication that our government and media participated in the fantasy knowing it was never real. They went along with it because they/we benefited from it, that’s fair enough. But we need to understand that despite all our moral grandstanding about Canadian values, we participated in a fake system, fuelled by government funded propaganda that killed countless millions of people. Was this pragmatic? Of course, it served our interests. But we need to be clear eyed that our government and media knew what was happening and chose to push the lie and many people decided to ignore the obvious truth because it was convenient.
2) Is Carney brave for calling this out? Maybe but it seems much more likely he would have never said anything if the system wasn’t now pointed against us.
3) Carney proposed a “3rd Path” where we actually create a fair system for all. This is laudable but for the source. “We need fairness, starting now” will he apologize to the the countries we’ve participated in ruining in service of the lie? I’d also point out the “3rd Path” sounds a lot like Gaddafi’s “Third Way” an idea that essentially got him killed and plunged Libya into a Mad Max hellscape full of violence and slave markets.
4) This post is not a partisan attack on the liberals. The rules based order fantasy has been in place since the end of WW2 it spans all the western powers and all the political parties. What I’m interested in, is how you feel about it and how we move forward? Do these countries that (at best) we stood by and watched get destroyed deserve truth and reconciliation or will we simply wait a bit and return to the fantasy once the delusion becomes convenient again?
I’m not attacking your political team. Our Prime minister said this and as much as the CBC does not want to address it, mainly because they were complicit. We need to.
This may have been the most consequential speech of the decade. What do you think?
Buddhalilsister44 on
That’s part of Trumps plan. He wants to be this country’s kingpin. Then becoming the world’s mob boss. The delusions of grandeur in government must be epic.
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not alone, America has Russia and Israel
There is always Russia! They go to movies, buy cars and music, they support American industry and science, culture and literature. 🇷🇺
Canada or any other nations trade deals with other nations is absolutely none of Trump’s business and Trump seriously needs to back off, he’s already proven that he cannot even run his own country.
Donny dum-dum is just mad because he got laughed at and Carney got applause.
Fucking right. I’m done with them. Hope we don’t send any crews down to help with the storm either
He’ll do it, next the Stock Market crashes , cries on Truth Social and chickens out.
Bullshit Europeans at Davos gave Trump a standing ovation even after he said they suck lol. They’re all cowards.
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U.S. based person. When you destroy alliances in a way that would seem permanent and cause nations to trade around you instead of through/with you the only option left is to decouple and form a series of cultural unions. At this point the break up of the USA looks inevitable.
I don’t see a line of nations running up behind us to show solidarity.
Yeah, we have SK coming to us for subs, but so far the only nations that willing to work with us are China who is by our own PM’s declaration a security threat to us and Qatar, a nation with a horrible track record of abuse towards slave labour.
Last time we made an assumption about solidarity when dealing with the states, Mexico left us holding the bag during the cusma negotiations.
And with the back pedaling with Carney and Leblanc after Trump threatened 100% tariffs, I don’t see that the liberals are that confident either.
Hell Trumps threat should have been an opportunity our friends in Europe to come back us up, what with them not long ago starring down the barrel with more tariffs with that Greenland nonsense, but they didn’t.
What Trump and his mostly, illiterate MAGA cult fail to realize is that the age of American exceptionalism is over. The USA is only 340 million, while the rest of the world is nearly 8 billion. Trade is the lifeblood of a nation. As Trump turns inward with his “Fortress America” policies, the U.S. economy will continue to contract and their dollar will weaken. Trump’s insane blanket global tariff war is really an act of self sabotage. Like putting a gun to your head as tariffs are essentially, taxes on American consumers. Dr. Mark Carney (Harvard – magna cum lauda, plus Oxford – Masters, Phd in Economics) started at Goldman Sachs at only 26 in Manhatten, then worked in Boston, Toronto, London and Tokyo. Carney was also a central banker for both Canada and the UK; he understands the global economy better than anyone. Carney is always the smartest and humblest person in the room. And Trump knows it, so he lashes out at Canada in a hissy fit, like a spoiled, entitled child. 100% tariffs on Canada’s exports to the U.S. this week; because Carney got a standing ovation for his speech at Davos and Trump sounded like the crazy old drunk at the end of the bar. 96% of Trump’s 100% tariffs on Canada will be charged back to Americans in higher prices on Canadian goods. Dumb. Make America Poor Again!
Lol who wrote this drivel???. America is not alone….lmao. America is doing well surprisingly.
FWIW the author is a former MP 🙂
Like it or not, the US isn’t alone and shit articles like this gaslight the fact that the US is still the most powerful country on earth with smaller nations lining up to be their friend. There are a significant amount of countries who do not attend WEF gatherings. The only one saying it’s alone is American and Canadian media, along with the other European media outlets like BBC who hate him.
Also I like how they conveniently ignore the speeches which say that the US is necessary for world security, such as this one who is everyone’s darling in Europe.
***Volodymyr Zelenskyy, President of Ukraine***
*A special address, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy spoke about Russian aggression against Ukraine, the international justice system and security guarantees for the post war scenario.*
*Zelenskyy mentioned the need for a European “coalition of action” and said “no security guarantees work without the US”. He also called for united armed forces for Europe and questioned NATO’s readiness to respond to aggression.*
There was also a speech by one of the WEF secretaries who stated that without the US policing the world and Trump calling countries out for relegating their militaries to the backburner then most of the world would still be well, well below the 2% agreed upon amount.
Again, the US isn’t alone in the world regardless of the spin and narrative put on it.
I expect that I’ll be brigaded and downvoted for pointing this out but the information is out there, some on the WEF site itself, that contradicts the idiocy of the media.
I mean I’m pretty Israel, Australia, Japan, South Korea and more will tow the line, none of them really have a choice at this point
Actually, at this moment it proved neither – we’re still waiting to see how the “petitioners to emperor Trump” will fall just yet. Will they continue trying to scrabble over each other to be the first to appease Trump, or get some actual backbone? That 100% tariff is scary. It functions as a coercive lever to make those petitioners kneel.
We haven’t seen any ***coordinated***, middle-power action thus far. Mark’s speech was so good, however, that it *appears* to have thrown a buoy to Trump opposition abroad. We still have to wait and see how things shake down. The reality of opposing the largest economic and militarized force on the planet isn’t going to be easy. Practical realism is important to maintain, though I’m certainly not opposed to hope-posting.
I trust in Mark to continue making deals. There is plenty of room to work Canada as *partial* replacement to the increasingly unpredictable US economic hegemony.
It’d be also nice to start using other names too. America is the continent and the United States, the country.
Seems like a lot of people reacting to Carney’s speech are missing the most important part.
1) He called out the international rules based order as a lie, and admitted it’s always has been a lie. This is factually correct, and I guess you can call that brave, it certainly needed to be said. Was it smart for our leader to choose now to do it, is debatable.
The main problem is the implication that our government and media participated in the fantasy knowing it was never real. They went along with it because they/we benefited from it, that’s fair enough. But we need to understand that despite all our moral grandstanding about Canadian values, we participated in a fake system, fuelled by government funded propaganda that killed countless millions of people. Was this pragmatic? Of course, it served our interests. But we need to be clear eyed that our government and media knew what was happening and chose to push the lie and many people decided to ignore the obvious truth because it was convenient.
2) Is Carney brave for calling this out? Maybe but it seems much more likely he would have never said anything if the system wasn’t now pointed against us.
3) Carney proposed a “3rd Path” where we actually create a fair system for all. This is laudable but for the source. “We need fairness, starting now” will he apologize to the the countries we’ve participated in ruining in service of the lie? I’d also point out the “3rd Path” sounds a lot like Gaddafi’s “Third Way” an idea that essentially got him killed and plunged Libya into a Mad Max hellscape full of violence and slave markets.
4) This post is not a partisan attack on the liberals. The rules based order fantasy has been in place since the end of WW2 it spans all the western powers and all the political parties. What I’m interested in, is how you feel about it and how we move forward? Do these countries that (at best) we stood by and watched get destroyed deserve truth and reconciliation or will we simply wait a bit and return to the fantasy once the delusion becomes convenient again?
I’m not attacking your political team. Our Prime minister said this and as much as the CBC does not want to address it, mainly because they were complicit. We need to.
This may have been the most consequential speech of the decade. What do you think?
That’s part of Trumps plan. He wants to be this country’s kingpin. Then becoming the world’s mob boss. The delusions of grandeur in government must be epic.