That the officer had secretly recorded the sex encounter that turned into a rape, had it played at ***the victim’s*** trial hoping it would exonerate him, **and** the CPS still backing themselves, is absolutely disgusting.
WelshBluebird1 on
Obviously not a lawyer but I’m surprised him recording it without her knowledge or consent was legal?
asfish123 on
Can’t believe the CPS took her to court based on a recording they didn’t even listen to correctly.
Too busy falling over themselves to help their Police friends.
Alive_kiwi_7001 on
It surely has to be a case of perverting the course of justice (plus rape) for this guy now.
Express-Doughnut-562 on
Reading that every officer involved should be out of a job and up for perverting the course of justice. And the *alleged* (I mean we’re beyond that now) rapist should be in prison for a long, long time.
So often it seems the police make a decision on who they feel is guilty of a crime and then just seek evidence to fit. They decide their mate was a stand up fellow, so maliciously went after her. Sod what the evidence actually tells you.
And then for the barristers to presumably hear the actual audio recording and make the choice to not play it, knowing full well. There was a portion of the Lucy Letby trial often quoted in documentaries where she said in a statement that she was arrested in her dressing gown. The prosecuting barrister made a huge deal she was actually wearing a ‘Leisure Suit’ and that meant she was a liar and guilty. The trailer for a Netflix documentary with exclusive behind the scenes footage shows her being arrested… in her dressing gown, exactly as she said.
The fact that prosecutors just see it as fair game and ok to simply lie and bend the truth because doing so helps them get the right result is crazy.
zeusoid on
The CPS has major issues when it comes to how the handle sexual abuse prosecutions, they seem to take a side and stick their heels in until their hands are forced.
I always come back to the Eleanor De Freitas matter, it always highlights the pitfalls in our current set up from all sides
strawbebbymilkshake on
Yet another case that makes me wonder why anyone would be surprised that rape victims don’t go to the police about their assault.
Remember cases like this when you hear someone suggest that a victim is lying because they didn’t seek justice. There is rarely any justice.
I’m also 99% sure I can guess what sex act he convinced her to try on the condition that he stop it if became painful, only for him to continue after she said no, stop, it hurts (thereby raping her) etc. I think people who aren’t utter scumbags would be shocked to discover just how common this particular and specific scenario is. It’s deeply, viscerally painful, traumatising, with significant risk of long-lasting or even permanent injury. This poor woman went through hell.
CameramanNick on
I’m slightly torn on this.Â
Yes, the police are absolutely capable of engaging in direct corruption to make this happen. At the same time it is vanishingly unusual for someone to be prosecuted for making a false claim and they’ll mostly only do it when they have incredibly strong evidence. It should probably happen more than it does: look up a guy called Mark Pearson, who was accused of sexually assaulting a woman on a railway station when it very, very clearly didn’t happen, as evidenced by CCTV. He was charged anyway, quickly acquitted, the woman was not prosecuted and her identity remains protected as a claimed victim. Horrifying.
Certainly the fact that it’s a plod she accused matters here and yes, again, I have absolutely no problem believing that most British police would happily collude to protect a mate in this situation so I hesitate to take sides.
leahcar83 on
I’m at a loss for words honestly. He provided a recording that had her clearly saying ‘no’ and ‘get it out’ and he admitted that she’d asked him to stop yet he’d continued but the CPS have taken the decision that there’s not enough evidence of rape to charge him?
If a confession and audio evidence of a withdrawal of consent isn’t enough then what the fuck is? At this point CPS also know that this man is a proven liar.
No wonder women don’t report being raped. This is genuinely horrific. I find myself feeling like rape is essentially decriminalised in the UK at this point.
Dystopian_Everyday on
Bloody hell. So the key piece of evidence that apparently proved her of lying *actually* proves the rape.
Why is he not now being charged if the audio clearly shows her saying to stop??
Raunien on
>The judge raised questions about how the CPS and Warwickshire Police had made their decisions. He also asked for the original rape investigation to be reopened.
I should hope it is! It’s pretty obvious the police closed ranks and lied about or disregarded evidence in order to protect a rapist.
PinacoladaBunny on
I saw somewhere recently in a discussion with women, the potential for deep level of dangers in being involved / in a relationship with a police officer. Obviously it’s not all officers. But how would you know the one you’re dating is a bad egg?
Something happens and you can’t report it because the force will protect their own. And in this awful case, she ended up on trial instead of him.
We’ve got a serious problem, and so far we’ve seen lip service paid to it, and a lack of action. There’s a woman on social media (@issyvine) who is campaigning against The Met for making her life hell when she blew the whistle on an officer for sexually harassing her. She’s now exposing multiple others.
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Horrifying.
That the officer had secretly recorded the sex encounter that turned into a rape, had it played at ***the victim’s*** trial hoping it would exonerate him, **and** the CPS still backing themselves, is absolutely disgusting.
Obviously not a lawyer but I’m surprised him recording it without her knowledge or consent was legal?
Can’t believe the CPS took her to court based on a recording they didn’t even listen to correctly.
Too busy falling over themselves to help their Police friends.
It surely has to be a case of perverting the course of justice (plus rape) for this guy now.
Reading that every officer involved should be out of a job and up for perverting the course of justice. And the *alleged* (I mean we’re beyond that now) rapist should be in prison for a long, long time.
So often it seems the police make a decision on who they feel is guilty of a crime and then just seek evidence to fit. They decide their mate was a stand up fellow, so maliciously went after her. Sod what the evidence actually tells you.
And then for the barristers to presumably hear the actual audio recording and make the choice to not play it, knowing full well. There was a portion of the Lucy Letby trial often quoted in documentaries where she said in a statement that she was arrested in her dressing gown. The prosecuting barrister made a huge deal she was actually wearing a ‘Leisure Suit’ and that meant she was a liar and guilty. The trailer for a Netflix documentary with exclusive behind the scenes footage shows her being arrested… in her dressing gown, exactly as she said.
The fact that prosecutors just see it as fair game and ok to simply lie and bend the truth because doing so helps them get the right result is crazy.
The CPS has major issues when it comes to how the handle sexual abuse prosecutions, they seem to take a side and stick their heels in until their hands are forced.
I always come back to the Eleanor De Freitas matter, it always highlights the pitfalls in our current set up from all sides
Yet another case that makes me wonder why anyone would be surprised that rape victims don’t go to the police about their assault.
Remember cases like this when you hear someone suggest that a victim is lying because they didn’t seek justice. There is rarely any justice.
I’m also 99% sure I can guess what sex act he convinced her to try on the condition that he stop it if became painful, only for him to continue after she said no, stop, it hurts (thereby raping her) etc. I think people who aren’t utter scumbags would be shocked to discover just how common this particular and specific scenario is. It’s deeply, viscerally painful, traumatising, with significant risk of long-lasting or even permanent injury. This poor woman went through hell.
I’m slightly torn on this.Â
Yes, the police are absolutely capable of engaging in direct corruption to make this happen. At the same time it is vanishingly unusual for someone to be prosecuted for making a false claim and they’ll mostly only do it when they have incredibly strong evidence. It should probably happen more than it does: look up a guy called Mark Pearson, who was accused of sexually assaulting a woman on a railway station when it very, very clearly didn’t happen, as evidenced by CCTV. He was charged anyway, quickly acquitted, the woman was not prosecuted and her identity remains protected as a claimed victim. Horrifying.
Certainly the fact that it’s a plod she accused matters here and yes, again, I have absolutely no problem believing that most British police would happily collude to protect a mate in this situation so I hesitate to take sides.
I’m at a loss for words honestly. He provided a recording that had her clearly saying ‘no’ and ‘get it out’ and he admitted that she’d asked him to stop yet he’d continued but the CPS have taken the decision that there’s not enough evidence of rape to charge him?
If a confession and audio evidence of a withdrawal of consent isn’t enough then what the fuck is? At this point CPS also know that this man is a proven liar.
No wonder women don’t report being raped. This is genuinely horrific. I find myself feeling like rape is essentially decriminalised in the UK at this point.
Bloody hell. So the key piece of evidence that apparently proved her of lying *actually* proves the rape.
Why is he not now being charged if the audio clearly shows her saying to stop??
>The judge raised questions about how the CPS and Warwickshire Police had made their decisions. He also asked for the original rape investigation to be reopened.
I should hope it is! It’s pretty obvious the police closed ranks and lied about or disregarded evidence in order to protect a rapist.
I saw somewhere recently in a discussion with women, the potential for deep level of dangers in being involved / in a relationship with a police officer. Obviously it’s not all officers. But how would you know the one you’re dating is a bad egg?
Something happens and you can’t report it because the force will protect their own. And in this awful case, she ended up on trial instead of him.
We’ve got a serious problem, and so far we’ve seen lip service paid to it, and a lack of action. There’s a woman on social media (@issyvine) who is campaigning against The Met for making her life hell when she blew the whistle on an officer for sexually harassing her. She’s now exposing multiple others.