David Krueger, the author of the article, will now be one of the first people liquidated when AI takes over.
TwistingEcho on
Very late in the game, people are programmed to follow the path of least resistance irrespective of responsibility.
bio4m on
A bit of a luddite view on the topic. AI is here to stay. Unless we want to sit at a technology plateau. If we want technology to keep improving then AI is a rational step on that ladder to progress
Like most people I don’t like it, its directly affecting me at work (layoffs due to increased automation [not AI], and lack of hiring [very much AI]). We need to be more cognizant of the issues AI is causing and find solutions from them. But dont throw the baby out with the bathwater, we need to find solutions, not knee jerk reactions
BadSausageFactory on
I got a homemade taser and a copy of Dune. When do we start the butlerian jihad? I would say call me but that’s gonna be the whole point of this. Smoke signal me brother.
LuLMaster420 on
AI isn’t the problem. Monetization is.
Every tool becomes toxic when it’s optimized for profit instead of people.
We didn’t ask for AI that replaces workers, spies on us, or generates ads faster we asked for something that helps, heals, teaches, connects. But the people building it are the same ones who gutted healthcare, gamified addiction, and turned social media into a dopamine slot machine.
Don’t stop AI.
Stop the people using it to erase humanity while calling it progress.
I don’t know man, you got a few hundred billion lying around? Going to be real hard to derail something with so much fucking money and power behind it. You’d need a government that actually wants to do its job.
b_a_t_m_4_n on
Actual AI, definitely not inevitable. LLMs being sold as AI is inevitable, too much money has been loaded onto the hype train so that sucker ain’t stopping for hell or high water.
HarryBalsagna1776 on
LLMs are not AI. Â
mvw2 on
AI will only be as functional as those willing to pay for it, and the spaces AI will be used is only where it’s profitable.
We’re at way too early of a stage to know how it will play out. All we really have now is just a pile of very risky investing that’s propping up the whole system. But if there’s no payback at the back end, it will mostly be wasted money. Plus the long term upkeep will become problematic without steady, paying customers.
A whole lot of people are in the sunk cost fallacy phase of the process, and I expect AI to scale down drastically to 1/100th to even 1/1000the of even the current integration once everyone realizes the actual cash flow model of AI as a whole. The break even I’d going to be stuck at a very small scale. Remember, we’re not talking about active uses of ChatGPT or your web browser. We’re not talking engagement. No. AI needs paying customers. And that pool, well, is pretty tiny. Pair this with the ability to already run pretty decent models locally even on your own PC, it gets even harder to find willing customers to buy into institutional products.
Right now AI is a $10 trillion loss market with institutional investors and developers screaming they still need to 3x the size over the next few years to meet demand. Ok, $40 trillion? Well, that demand isn’t exactly paying customers. On a relative scale, the US’ entire military complex only costs $800 billion a year. We’re already taking about something larger than all of the militaries of the world, larger than all the healthcare expenses of the world, and spending that kind if cash on something that while does have engagement, doesn’t have many paying customers, has perpetual upkeep costs, and can be completely bypassed with locally run models that so good enough for much of the volume use. And the kicker in top is you need a populous with enough disposable income to even afford any of it even if they wanted to pay for it which is a whole separate problem. Even right now consumer spending is wildly skewed with only the top 50% of the wealth covering 90% of consumer spending which is wildly abnormal showing his cash strapped most folks are. How do you pay for $10 trillion? How are you going to pay for $40 trillion? How do you pay for upkeep that rivals the opprrating cost of an entire nation’s military which can only be paid for now through significant, forced taxation?
The answer is extremely obviuous. You don’t.
Triingtolivee on
I punched a computer this morning to help stop it.
Sufficient-Spot-3861 on
You don’t have a right to stop a technology as a whole. Only thing that should be stopped is direct privacy invasions (like stuff that can spy on your computer activities directly). The cat is out of the bag, you can use even a cheap computer now for some level of local AI never mind what a powerful one can do, and you cannot control this. Also suppressing technology is literal fascism, and anyone who supports suppression of technology is extremely anti-freedom. Deal with it, JUST ACCEPT AI. Nobody cares that you don’t like it.
Jumping-Gazelle on
It’s simply part of the “move fast, and break things”-culture.
Then people use it quickly loses valuable things along the way.
And people still don’t understand, because it’s the future.
It’s like the ability to “pay quickly” with the newest system – everyone says “yes”, but the ability to quickly depart from your money is never in the public’s interest.
And still people “yes, but” and decide not to understand
Unfortunately, it’s out there.
HerbertWest on
I mean, it is absolutely inevitable without a one world government. Do you think China will stop developing AI if the west does? If anything, they would drastically accelerate their development.
thisismycoolname1 on
For a “technology” sub this place seems to very anti- technology most of the time
Staff_Senyou on
AI isn’t what’s been sold. It’s glorified cloud computing to add artificial “+++value+++” to existing services while at the same time reducing the accuracy and actual value of those services because of metrics based on “muh proprietary algorivmzz”
Usual_Scientist1522 on
We already discovered application of one technology that can destroy mankind. AI is another.
The difference is that when real AI is invented we cannot stop it. It will instantly copy itself to any connected application, which is everything on the internet. It will know how to bypass any method to remove it since it has so the collective information of the internet.
We don’t even have the imagination – even with films like terminator, matrix and other – to understand how it will work.
All we can do is hope that we are not an obstacle and that our goals align.
TheMericanIdiot on
Ya ok stop want the advancement of tech and go back to sticks and rocks?
MrPloppyHead on
well since AI, in its present form exists, and will still continued to be researched etc it is definitely inevitable. its like saying chickens arent inevitable whilst standing over one, reading an article about chickens whilst eating a meal of roast chicken.
you will unlikely get any global consensus on legislation. Maybe local control but that wont stop AI from outside influencing the local population in many different ways.
thePsychonautDad on
Like saying cars weren’t inevitable and horses could have had a chance….
Thats_my_face_sir on
“We spent oodles of money on this and it benefits us more than you. Now we are going to cram AI down your face until you justify our investment”
I dont use AI in my personal life and now my employer is forcing us to use co-pilot. I manage my email inbox just fine, plus the summaries it offers often ignore nuance in human interactions.
Fuck these techno-hoe oligarchs.
PineapplePiazzas on
Hahaha. No ai in sight, which kind of idiots are these articles even for nowadays. So flucking stupid.
Please stahp.
augustusleonus on
I think it can be useful in translation and in complex searches like “find me three vacation options with itineraries related to scottish castles for the period of (6 months from now) and rank them in order from most to least expensive, including estimates for specific budget items such as airline costs and local dining”
The image generation is an ok toy, but it doesn’t accomplish much
The rest is kinda useless
PatochiDesu on
Hyperscalers should be more regulated
knign on
Humans are actively destroying the very environment we need to survive, while depleting resources our economy is based on. Why worry about AI? It’s an interesting and promising technology, with its own downsides of course, but it’s not what will doom the civilization.
GrapefruitOk2057 on
just watched a very good Star Trek Voyager about this. AI robots warring with each other. Both with aims to be able to reproduce themselves. Excellent episode.
this stuff is scary as sh*t
blackvrocky on
luddite mindset
Techwield on
Are these people aware China exists?
Chronza on
These AI companies are going to go broke before long just wait. There isn’t a demand for all the ones popping up.
frosted1030 on
Do you want skynet?
davecrist on
Will you stop crime while you are at it? That’ll work just as well.
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David Krueger, the author of the article, will now be one of the first people liquidated when AI takes over.
Very late in the game, people are programmed to follow the path of least resistance irrespective of responsibility.
A bit of a luddite view on the topic. AI is here to stay. Unless we want to sit at a technology plateau. If we want technology to keep improving then AI is a rational step on that ladder to progress
Like most people I don’t like it, its directly affecting me at work (layoffs due to increased automation [not AI], and lack of hiring [very much AI]). We need to be more cognizant of the issues AI is causing and find solutions from them. But dont throw the baby out with the bathwater, we need to find solutions, not knee jerk reactions
I got a homemade taser and a copy of Dune. When do we start the butlerian jihad? I would say call me but that’s gonna be the whole point of this. Smoke signal me brother.
AI isn’t the problem. Monetization is.
Every tool becomes toxic when it’s optimized for profit instead of people.
We didn’t ask for AI that replaces workers, spies on us, or generates ads faster we asked for something that helps, heals, teaches, connects. But the people building it are the same ones who gutted healthcare, gamified addiction, and turned social media into a dopamine slot machine.
Don’t stop AI.
Stop the people using it to erase humanity while calling it progress.
People still have influence at the local level.
[http://deflockatlanta.org/](http://deflockatlanta.org/)
I don’t know man, you got a few hundred billion lying around? Going to be real hard to derail something with so much fucking money and power behind it. You’d need a government that actually wants to do its job.
Actual AI, definitely not inevitable. LLMs being sold as AI is inevitable, too much money has been loaded onto the hype train so that sucker ain’t stopping for hell or high water.
LLMs are not AI. Â
AI will only be as functional as those willing to pay for it, and the spaces AI will be used is only where it’s profitable.
We’re at way too early of a stage to know how it will play out. All we really have now is just a pile of very risky investing that’s propping up the whole system. But if there’s no payback at the back end, it will mostly be wasted money. Plus the long term upkeep will become problematic without steady, paying customers.
A whole lot of people are in the sunk cost fallacy phase of the process, and I expect AI to scale down drastically to 1/100th to even 1/1000the of even the current integration once everyone realizes the actual cash flow model of AI as a whole. The break even I’d going to be stuck at a very small scale. Remember, we’re not talking about active uses of ChatGPT or your web browser. We’re not talking engagement. No. AI needs paying customers. And that pool, well, is pretty tiny. Pair this with the ability to already run pretty decent models locally even on your own PC, it gets even harder to find willing customers to buy into institutional products.
Right now AI is a $10 trillion loss market with institutional investors and developers screaming they still need to 3x the size over the next few years to meet demand. Ok, $40 trillion? Well, that demand isn’t exactly paying customers. On a relative scale, the US’ entire military complex only costs $800 billion a year. We’re already taking about something larger than all of the militaries of the world, larger than all the healthcare expenses of the world, and spending that kind if cash on something that while does have engagement, doesn’t have many paying customers, has perpetual upkeep costs, and can be completely bypassed with locally run models that so good enough for much of the volume use. And the kicker in top is you need a populous with enough disposable income to even afford any of it even if they wanted to pay for it which is a whole separate problem. Even right now consumer spending is wildly skewed with only the top 50% of the wealth covering 90% of consumer spending which is wildly abnormal showing his cash strapped most folks are. How do you pay for $10 trillion? How are you going to pay for $40 trillion? How do you pay for upkeep that rivals the opprrating cost of an entire nation’s military which can only be paid for now through significant, forced taxation?
The answer is extremely obviuous. You don’t.
I punched a computer this morning to help stop it.
You don’t have a right to stop a technology as a whole. Only thing that should be stopped is direct privacy invasions (like stuff that can spy on your computer activities directly). The cat is out of the bag, you can use even a cheap computer now for some level of local AI never mind what a powerful one can do, and you cannot control this. Also suppressing technology is literal fascism, and anyone who supports suppression of technology is extremely anti-freedom. Deal with it, JUST ACCEPT AI. Nobody cares that you don’t like it.
It’s simply part of the “move fast, and break things”-culture.
Then people use it quickly loses valuable things along the way.
And people still don’t understand, because it’s the future.
It’s like the ability to “pay quickly” with the newest system – everyone says “yes”, but the ability to quickly depart from your money is never in the public’s interest.
And still people “yes, but” and decide not to understand
Unfortunately, it’s out there.
I mean, it is absolutely inevitable without a one world government. Do you think China will stop developing AI if the west does? If anything, they would drastically accelerate their development.
For a “technology” sub this place seems to very anti- technology most of the time
AI isn’t what’s been sold. It’s glorified cloud computing to add artificial “+++value+++” to existing services while at the same time reducing the accuracy and actual value of those services because of metrics based on “muh proprietary algorivmzz”
We already discovered application of one technology that can destroy mankind. AI is another.
The difference is that when real AI is invented we cannot stop it. It will instantly copy itself to any connected application, which is everything on the internet. It will know how to bypass any method to remove it since it has so the collective information of the internet.
We don’t even have the imagination – even with films like terminator, matrix and other – to understand how it will work.
All we can do is hope that we are not an obstacle and that our goals align.
Ya ok stop want the advancement of tech and go back to sticks and rocks?
well since AI, in its present form exists, and will still continued to be researched etc it is definitely inevitable. its like saying chickens arent inevitable whilst standing over one, reading an article about chickens whilst eating a meal of roast chicken.
you will unlikely get any global consensus on legislation. Maybe local control but that wont stop AI from outside influencing the local population in many different ways.
Like saying cars weren’t inevitable and horses could have had a chance….
“We spent oodles of money on this and it benefits us more than you. Now we are going to cram AI down your face until you justify our investment”
I dont use AI in my personal life and now my employer is forcing us to use co-pilot. I manage my email inbox just fine, plus the summaries it offers often ignore nuance in human interactions.
Fuck these techno-hoe oligarchs.
Hahaha. No ai in sight, which kind of idiots are these articles even for nowadays. So flucking stupid.
Please stahp.
I think it can be useful in translation and in complex searches like “find me three vacation options with itineraries related to scottish castles for the period of (6 months from now) and rank them in order from most to least expensive, including estimates for specific budget items such as airline costs and local dining”
The image generation is an ok toy, but it doesn’t accomplish much
The rest is kinda useless
Hyperscalers should be more regulated
Humans are actively destroying the very environment we need to survive, while depleting resources our economy is based on. Why worry about AI? It’s an interesting and promising technology, with its own downsides of course, but it’s not what will doom the civilization.
just watched a very good Star Trek Voyager about this. AI robots warring with each other. Both with aims to be able to reproduce themselves. Excellent episode.
this stuff is scary as sh*t
luddite mindset
Are these people aware China exists?
These AI companies are going to go broke before long just wait. There isn’t a demand for all the ones popping up.
Do you want skynet?
Will you stop crime while you are at it? That’ll work just as well.