It’s only terrorism when it’s done *by* brown people, not *to* brown people!
teflon_soap on
Yeah, I wonder white?
maewemeetagain on
We were quick to call the Bondi incident terrorism because of the very obvious context clues surrounding it regarding who the victims were, the event the victims were attending, why they were attending it, who the shooters were and the political context that motivated the attack.
Pretty much all of the same context clues are present here, just with different identities, a different event and the major difference being that the attack failed. But it’s still an attempted terrorist attack with a painfully obvious motive. WAPOL is shitting the bed, I am continually embarrassed by the state of the place I called home for 20 years.
Busy_Conflict3434 on
Similarly, why do the ABC’s headline writers refer to it as an “incident” instead of an “attack”?
burn_supermarkets on
No name yet either. Betoota’s headline about it becoming a “mental health conversation” seemed pretty spot on.
Would this have got more attention if it happened in Sydney or Melbourne? The Eastern states media didn’t even report on it until the day after FFS. Perth gets ignored a lot by the media but that’s ridiculous
OptimusRex on
The run on that bloke in the footage lmao, if you’re organising a terrorist attack the least you could do is learn to run properly. Fuckin hell. Bloke runs like an oversize toddler.
>A terrorist act is an act, or a threat to act, that meets all of the following criteria:
>It is done with the intention of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause.
>It is done with the intention of intimidating the public, or coerce, or influence by intimidation, any government.
>It causes one or more of the following:
death, serious harm or endangerment to the life of a person
>serious damage to property
>a serious risk to the health or safety of the public
>serious interference with, disruption to, or destruction of critical infrastructure such as a telecommunications or electricity network.
It has to meet all criteria, and the part that is missing at the moment is “advancing a cause”. And for everyone saying “he must have one”, police can’t prove it in court (yet – that may change), hence why he hasn’t been charged with it.
ConanTheAquarian on
AFP and ASIO are involved in the investigation. You can bet they are looking into more charges.
Important-Sleep-1839 on
Those familiar with the topic of terrorism branding in the media will be aware of the long standing advice that doing so may embolden similar acts. This is especially true if the original actor is involved with a network. Such a situation is likely given the target and current pressures faced by neo-nazi groups in Australia.
My guess it that either this Friday afternoon, or next, they’ll be a brief news blip upgrading the charges.
the_procrastinata on
“To be an act of terrorism it requires one of three things, either political motivation, a religious motivation, or some type of ideology and advancing that cause,” he told media on yesterday morning.
“So at this stage it’s a hostile act, and we are investigating whether or not those motivations existed to prove terrorism charges.” That’s from the WA Police Commissioner. They’re not saying definitely that the act isn’t terrorism, just that it hasn’t been proven yet to be the case.
jm_leviathan on
The words and actions of the government are one thing, but why have media outlets been so supine in following the government’s lead on this? The word “terrorism” doesn’t belong to the Australian government.
karl_w_w on
For anyone who can’t read the article (the words are too big or whatever), it’s because the police take their responsibilities seriously.
They are still investigating whether it meets the criteria for terrorism, they don’t have the luxury of jumping to conclusions that the public has. Plus declaring terrorism gives the police extra powers that they don’t need in this case.
trowzerss on
The charges should be the same as if it had successfully gone off. But somehow it’s not a serious incident because they’re bad at making explosions? The charge is for the intent, not how skillful the were at actually hurting people 😛
OhtheHugeManity7 on
Absolute little bitch shit for Albanese to refer to it as ‘He threw an item into the crowd’.
Call it what it is you tool, you know it’s a bomb and if it was directed against a more ‘protected’ group you’d be making a bigger fuss. But because it’s Indigenous people you feel like you can get away with not mentioning it in the hope it’ll spare your precious ‘social cohesion’.
Fuck the white nationalists. Fuck our white nationalist government. Fuck terrorists.
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It’s only terrorism when it’s done *by* brown people, not *to* brown people!
Yeah, I wonder white?
We were quick to call the Bondi incident terrorism because of the very obvious context clues surrounding it regarding who the victims were, the event the victims were attending, why they were attending it, who the shooters were and the political context that motivated the attack.
Pretty much all of the same context clues are present here, just with different identities, a different event and the major difference being that the attack failed. But it’s still an attempted terrorist attack with a painfully obvious motive. WAPOL is shitting the bed, I am continually embarrassed by the state of the place I called home for 20 years.
Similarly, why do the ABC’s headline writers refer to it as an “incident” instead of an “attack”?
No name yet either. Betoota’s headline about it becoming a “mental health conversation” seemed pretty spot on.
Would this have got more attention if it happened in Sydney or Melbourne? The Eastern states media didn’t even report on it until the day after FFS. Perth gets ignored a lot by the media but that’s ridiculous
The run on that bloke in the footage lmao, if you’re organising a terrorist attack the least you could do is learn to run properly. Fuckin hell. Bloke runs like an oversize toddler.
Because Terrorism is defined by law.
[AG website](https://www.ag.gov.au/national-security/australias-counter-terrorism-laws)
>A terrorist act is an act, or a threat to act, that meets all of the following criteria:
>It is done with the intention of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause.
>It is done with the intention of intimidating the public, or coerce, or influence by intimidation, any government.
>It causes one or more of the following:
death, serious harm or endangerment to the life of a person
>serious damage to property
>a serious risk to the health or safety of the public
>serious interference with, disruption to, or destruction of critical infrastructure such as a telecommunications or electricity network.
It has to meet all criteria, and the part that is missing at the moment is “advancing a cause”. And for everyone saying “he must have one”, police can’t prove it in court (yet – that may change), hence why he hasn’t been charged with it.
AFP and ASIO are involved in the investigation. You can bet they are looking into more charges.
Those familiar with the topic of terrorism branding in the media will be aware of the long standing advice that doing so may embolden similar acts. This is especially true if the original actor is involved with a network. Such a situation is likely given the target and current pressures faced by neo-nazi groups in Australia.
My guess it that either this Friday afternoon, or next, they’ll be a brief news blip upgrading the charges.
“To be an act of terrorism it requires one of three things, either political motivation, a religious motivation, or some type of ideology and advancing that cause,” he told media on yesterday morning.
“So at this stage it’s a hostile act, and we are investigating whether or not those motivations existed to prove terrorism charges.” That’s from the WA Police Commissioner. They’re not saying definitely that the act isn’t terrorism, just that it hasn’t been proven yet to be the case.
The words and actions of the government are one thing, but why have media outlets been so supine in following the government’s lead on this? The word “terrorism” doesn’t belong to the Australian government.
For anyone who can’t read the article (the words are too big or whatever), it’s because the police take their responsibilities seriously.
They are still investigating whether it meets the criteria for terrorism, they don’t have the luxury of jumping to conclusions that the public has. Plus declaring terrorism gives the police extra powers that they don’t need in this case.
The charges should be the same as if it had successfully gone off. But somehow it’s not a serious incident because they’re bad at making explosions? The charge is for the intent, not how skillful the were at actually hurting people 😛
Absolute little bitch shit for Albanese to refer to it as ‘He threw an item into the crowd’.
Call it what it is you tool, you know it’s a bomb and if it was directed against a more ‘protected’ group you’d be making a bigger fuss. But because it’s Indigenous people you feel like you can get away with not mentioning it in the hope it’ll spare your precious ‘social cohesion’.
Fuck the white nationalists. Fuck our white nationalist government. Fuck terrorists.
[Betoota with the real questions](https://www.instagram.com/p/DUCoK14knI9/?igsh=NWluZmFoaDdoMDQy)
Just wondering what the skin colour and religious persuasion of the alleged offender were.
Might be a clue as to whether it’s merely a crime or a terrorist act.