Im old enough to remember when Sweden used to export cars. Now its criminals. I liked Volvo.
lichoniespi on
They will just recruit 12 years old then, duh.
St3fano_ on
Useless. Arrest the recruiters, break up the ghettoisation of the poorest neighborhoods, give alternatives to the kids. That’s how we greatly reduced the influence of the mafia on the youth in southern ItalyÂ
Otherwise_Law3608 on
I live in Australia, NT. The government here raised the age for criminal liability a few years ago from 12 to 14. Crime went ballistic. A new government came in and lowered it again. Very slowly crime is decreasing.
Any-Original-6113 on
This is an absolute nightmare.
 Ethical societal methods will always lose in a race to the bottom against unprincipled criminal elements.
In response to lowering the age of criminal responsibility to 13, they’ll just start using 11-year-olds.
The only thing that would probably stop the criminals would be a measure where, for a committed crime, instead of the child, the adult accomplices and instigators would receive a 15-year (or longer) prison sentence.
Whiter67 on
Nationalities of those gangs?
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The_Milkman on
Swedish immigration policy caused this.Â
elembivos on
When is it okay to say that Swedish immigration policies have failed? Is this the time, or should we wait for 7-year-old child soldiers throwing grenades in Malmö?
Masseyrati80 on
By the time a teenager has been recruited by criminals to do some of their dirty work, a lot has gone wrong already. Exit programs do exist, but I’m willing to bet these kids don’t feel like a part of society, or have high hopes of getting a regular job and building a regular life.
Hope this changes something for the better, though.
Penderbron on
Good, 13 year olds aren’t dumb or clueless, should know not to get involved with crime. If parents can’t raise them responsible, then legal system has to.
UltimateGammer on
Increase punishment for gangs recruiting children, parents should face punishment if they get recruited.
And most importantly, increase funding to police forces.
ledow on
I believe it’s about 10 in the UK.
A 13 year old is ABSOLUTELY aware that what they’re doing is wrong.
Good plan. I have said before there is a criminal problem and it is 13 to 18 year olds. With both parents working. They do and say whatever the like with no real consequences. Acting like angels at home.
DesertGeist- on
what about prosecuting the gangs? also how the fuck did they end up in that situation?
AdAnxious8842 on
I’d offer up what we do in Canada as model. It still has its challenges but recognizes a graduated approach to responsibility.
Children under 12 cannot be held criminally responsible and are referred to other services. It recognizes that the cognitive abilities of a child under 12.
12-17 are considered youth and are treated differently with a mix of possible incarceration and a lot of rehabilitative services. While it’s not perfect, it recognizes that youth are still in a formative stage and there’s a chance here to make corrections. You have to pick some threshold and 18 has become the legal limit when youth become adults. There is also a safety valve for serious crimes. Crown also has the option to apply for a youth to be treated as an adult (need to apply to judge, a sort of hearing-within-a-hearing occurs). If successful, the youth is transferred to adult system, although the additional rehabilitative services remain available. You see it used more for crimes in the 16-17 range. The absolute minimum age a youth can be treated as an adult is 14 years. There is a recent ongoing case where the Crown was successful in have a [14 year old accused of murder moved to adult court](https://www.saltwire.com/newfoundland-labrador/nl-teen-pleads-guilty-to-murdering-woman-who-helped-raise-him). Even in this case, they are looking at rehabilitative services as part of the sentence in what is a sad case.
18 and above, you’re and adult.
Canada, especially Toronto was facing a similar challenge as Sweden with youth being recruited by gangs for mainly car thefts. There have been discussion about similar new laws and penalties for adults who recruit youth, recognizing that you have to target the adult organizers.
Edit: corrected “treated as an adult is 14 years old”
VirusSlo on
Where is parental responsibility in all of this?
Esskil on
This is extremely dumb. Every professional institution they asked about this said it was a bad idea but they still went ahead with it.
louisa1925 on
Why not go atomic against the gangs and their recruiters instead?
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NotTooSuspicious on
I think you should start holding parents responsible
MotanulScotishFold on
Here in Romania we have already this law, age of criminal to 15 and recently it was an outrage case where a minor of 13 years old commited a murder and we’re not in process to lower to 10.
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Welcome to the future !
Im old enough to remember when Sweden used to export cars. Now its criminals. I liked Volvo.
They will just recruit 12 years old then, duh.
Useless. Arrest the recruiters, break up the ghettoisation of the poorest neighborhoods, give alternatives to the kids. That’s how we greatly reduced the influence of the mafia on the youth in southern ItalyÂ
I live in Australia, NT. The government here raised the age for criminal liability a few years ago from 12 to 14. Crime went ballistic. A new government came in and lowered it again. Very slowly crime is decreasing.
This is an absolute nightmare.
 Ethical societal methods will always lose in a race to the bottom against unprincipled criminal elements.
In response to lowering the age of criminal responsibility to 13, they’ll just start using 11-year-olds.
The only thing that would probably stop the criminals would be a measure where, for a committed crime, instead of the child, the adult accomplices and instigators would receive a 15-year (or longer) prison sentence.
Nationalities of those gangs?
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Swedish immigration policy caused this.Â
When is it okay to say that Swedish immigration policies have failed? Is this the time, or should we wait for 7-year-old child soldiers throwing grenades in Malmö?
By the time a teenager has been recruited by criminals to do some of their dirty work, a lot has gone wrong already. Exit programs do exist, but I’m willing to bet these kids don’t feel like a part of society, or have high hopes of getting a regular job and building a regular life.
Hope this changes something for the better, though.
Good, 13 year olds aren’t dumb or clueless, should know not to get involved with crime. If parents can’t raise them responsible, then legal system has to.
Increase punishment for gangs recruiting children, parents should face punishment if they get recruited.
And most importantly, increase funding to police forces.
I believe it’s about 10 in the UK.
A 13 year old is ABSOLUTELY aware that what they’re doing is wrong.
Anyone older is UNDENIABLY aware, unless extenuating circumstances (e.g. mental problems, etc.)
Good plan. I have said before there is a criminal problem and it is 13 to 18 year olds. With both parents working. They do and say whatever the like with no real consequences. Acting like angels at home.
what about prosecuting the gangs? also how the fuck did they end up in that situation?
I’d offer up what we do in Canada as model. It still has its challenges but recognizes a graduated approach to responsibility.
Children under 12 cannot be held criminally responsible and are referred to other services. It recognizes that the cognitive abilities of a child under 12.
12-17 are considered youth and are treated differently with a mix of possible incarceration and a lot of rehabilitative services. While it’s not perfect, it recognizes that youth are still in a formative stage and there’s a chance here to make corrections. You have to pick some threshold and 18 has become the legal limit when youth become adults. There is also a safety valve for serious crimes. Crown also has the option to apply for a youth to be treated as an adult (need to apply to judge, a sort of hearing-within-a-hearing occurs). If successful, the youth is transferred to adult system, although the additional rehabilitative services remain available. You see it used more for crimes in the 16-17 range. The absolute minimum age a youth can be treated as an adult is 14 years. There is a recent ongoing case where the Crown was successful in have a [14 year old accused of murder moved to adult court](https://www.saltwire.com/newfoundland-labrador/nl-teen-pleads-guilty-to-murdering-woman-who-helped-raise-him). Even in this case, they are looking at rehabilitative services as part of the sentence in what is a sad case.
18 and above, you’re and adult.
Canada, especially Toronto was facing a similar challenge as Sweden with youth being recruited by gangs for mainly car thefts. There have been discussion about similar new laws and penalties for adults who recruit youth, recognizing that you have to target the adult organizers.
Edit: corrected “treated as an adult is 14 years old”
Where is parental responsibility in all of this?
This is extremely dumb. Every professional institution they asked about this said it was a bad idea but they still went ahead with it.
Why not go atomic against the gangs and their recruiters instead?
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I think you should start holding parents responsible
Here in Romania we have already this law, age of criminal to 15 and recently it was an outrage case where a minor of 13 years old commited a murder and we’re not in process to lower to 10.
Sweeden should go lower than 13 as well.
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