Weak move Merz. Another coward. Where is a strong EU leader?
North_Church on
Well fuck you too Merz
ukrainianhab on
Will we be called a russian stooge for saying this yet *another* sign of Western European weakness?
Do those actually support Ukraine or just their favourite political party that just so happens to be pro Ukraine? I wonder.
GremlinX_ll on
I don’t know who expected membeship by 2027. Like, I don’t even believe in membership by 2047, even if we will reach all the requierments.
Schwartzy94 on
Kinda makes sense but it should not be announced.
Also it should be make clear that trump cant decide when ukraine join just so he can put it in his “peace deal”
Emergency_Link7328 on
There are requirements…
Realistically, It will take many years. That doesn’t mean the EU does not help or support Ukraine. We’re helping. A lot.
vkstu on
This is the proper response. There simply are requirements to make to join EU, they can’t just throw those away because of an awful war of aggression happening. It’s a realistic view to say EU membership by 2027 is simply not possible for Ukraine. That does not mean the door is closed, it’s just that Ukraine needs more time.
hobovalentine on
Absolute cowards!
Ok_Introduction-0 on
I’m sorry but this is just stating the obvious. whoever thought they were ready and allowed to join that fast in their current state is delusional
TheWesternHawks on
Priority is and should always remain Ukraine’s security & defense. From that article and Vuvic’s statement, looks like that ‘brilliant’ unrealistic idea was suggested by the US as part of the peace plan. Once again a distraction from making real security guarantees by dwelling on artificially created issues & making our side look even more divided, ffs.
CouldNotAffordOne on
The EU just signed a trade deal with India whose negotiations started in 2007. The Mercosur trade deal was halted by the EU parliament after 20 years of negotiations and after the deal was signed this year.
What I want to say: That’s no betrayal of Ukraine. That’s unfortunately a realistic view, because decisions take a very long way for the EU. Putins puppet Orban would block it anyway. That’s the downside, if every member state has to agree and there’s no majority vote.
M3P4me on
Merz could be ruled out.
flowinimmo on
yeh stand up to the fascist, not … same like with poland 100 years ago … appeasement of weak politicians who only want to fill their own pocket
Sankullo on
People must realize that there are 35 negotiation chapters. Basically 35 super complicated things that need to be agreed upon and MOST IMPORTANTLY implemented by Ukraine before it can join the EU. There are things like financial and fiscal rules, agriculture, judiciary and so on.
Government Agencies need to be created, people trained, laws passed by Ukrainian parliament etc etc. this shit takes time.
I am sure given the circumstances some leeway is possible but still 2027 is absolutely unrealistic.
Take agriculture for example. There are strict rules in the EU for standards of growing crops, well-being of slaughter animals etc. You have to make sure that Ukrainian farmers know and follow the rules. It would require big investment in facilities where animals are kept for example.
On the other hand inside the EU the subsidies for farmers need to agreed upon and implemented so that Ukraine doesn’t obliterate EU agriculture. Similar to 2004 expansion. You can already see protests about it in Poland and France IIRC. And there will be more. So that needs to be done too.
Lastly before Ukraine can be accepted parliaments of every single EU member must ratify the accession. Here applies the Veto rule so if just one member says no then Ukraine cannot join.
Hungary will definitely say no unless the government there changes or they get some $$$.
Poland will most likely use it to settle the Volhynia massacre matters once and for all.
You could imagine that for example if Serbia was to join and Ratko Mladic, Slobodan Milosevic, Radovan Karadic and Serbian paramilitaries which committed massacres on civilians were officially considered national heroes Croatia would 100% be against Serbia joining.
So this matter between Poland and Ukraine 100% needs to be solved and not with “whataboutism” or whitewashing.
In any case there is a LOT of work to be done.
tripassana on
Wrong discussion at all. If EU will not step up with money for Ukrainian soldier or actively recruit military force from EU who willing to serve to Ukraine and its need to be done now. In next year the frontline in Ukraine may collapse. I am Ukrainian veteran who did simulation with our army reserves/attrition numbers and we have 1,5 year until attrition will be higher then mobilization/training pipeline. if reforms will not be applied we will have collapse and EU will talk about their borders, but not with UA joining, more like Baltic losing.
and without increasing pay to Ukrainian soldiers those reforms will not happen.
UA government doesn’t have more money for army , except printing and devaluing our currency, but it’s dead end for economy and again collapse
Sweet_Lane on
At this point I think we should finally accept the reality that Ukraine would never be the part of EU and stop being attracted to the dangling carrot.
EU wants Ukraine to be a buffer state against ruzzia, a source of cheap mineral resources, and a source of a cheap workforce.
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Weak move Merz. Another coward. Where is a strong EU leader?
Well fuck you too Merz
Will we be called a russian stooge for saying this yet *another* sign of Western European weakness?
Do those actually support Ukraine or just their favourite political party that just so happens to be pro Ukraine? I wonder.
I don’t know who expected membeship by 2027. Like, I don’t even believe in membership by 2047, even if we will reach all the requierments.
Kinda makes sense but it should not be announced.
Also it should be make clear that trump cant decide when ukraine join just so he can put it in his “peace deal”
There are requirements…
Realistically, It will take many years. That doesn’t mean the EU does not help or support Ukraine. We’re helping. A lot.
This is the proper response. There simply are requirements to make to join EU, they can’t just throw those away because of an awful war of aggression happening. It’s a realistic view to say EU membership by 2027 is simply not possible for Ukraine. That does not mean the door is closed, it’s just that Ukraine needs more time.
Absolute cowards!
I’m sorry but this is just stating the obvious. whoever thought they were ready and allowed to join that fast in their current state is delusional
Priority is and should always remain Ukraine’s security & defense. From that article and Vuvic’s statement, looks like that ‘brilliant’ unrealistic idea was suggested by the US as part of the peace plan. Once again a distraction from making real security guarantees by dwelling on artificially created issues & making our side look even more divided, ffs.
The EU just signed a trade deal with India whose negotiations started in 2007. The Mercosur trade deal was halted by the EU parliament after 20 years of negotiations and after the deal was signed this year.
What I want to say: That’s no betrayal of Ukraine. That’s unfortunately a realistic view, because decisions take a very long way for the EU. Putins puppet Orban would block it anyway. That’s the downside, if every member state has to agree and there’s no majority vote.
Merz could be ruled out.
yeh stand up to the fascist, not … same like with poland 100 years ago … appeasement of weak politicians who only want to fill their own pocket
People must realize that there are 35 negotiation chapters. Basically 35 super complicated things that need to be agreed upon and MOST IMPORTANTLY implemented by Ukraine before it can join the EU. There are things like financial and fiscal rules, agriculture, judiciary and so on.
Government Agencies need to be created, people trained, laws passed by Ukrainian parliament etc etc. this shit takes time.
I am sure given the circumstances some leeway is possible but still 2027 is absolutely unrealistic.
Take agriculture for example. There are strict rules in the EU for standards of growing crops, well-being of slaughter animals etc. You have to make sure that Ukrainian farmers know and follow the rules. It would require big investment in facilities where animals are kept for example.
On the other hand inside the EU the subsidies for farmers need to agreed upon and implemented so that Ukraine doesn’t obliterate EU agriculture. Similar to 2004 expansion. You can already see protests about it in Poland and France IIRC. And there will be more. So that needs to be done too.
Lastly before Ukraine can be accepted parliaments of every single EU member must ratify the accession. Here applies the Veto rule so if just one member says no then Ukraine cannot join.
Hungary will definitely say no unless the government there changes or they get some $$$.
Poland will most likely use it to settle the Volhynia massacre matters once and for all.
You could imagine that for example if Serbia was to join and Ratko Mladic, Slobodan Milosevic, Radovan Karadic and Serbian paramilitaries which committed massacres on civilians were officially considered national heroes Croatia would 100% be against Serbia joining.
So this matter between Poland and Ukraine 100% needs to be solved and not with “whataboutism” or whitewashing.
In any case there is a LOT of work to be done.
Wrong discussion at all. If EU will not step up with money for Ukrainian soldier or actively recruit military force from EU who willing to serve to Ukraine and its need to be done now. In next year the frontline in Ukraine may collapse. I am Ukrainian veteran who did simulation with our army reserves/attrition numbers and we have 1,5 year until attrition will be higher then mobilization/training pipeline. if reforms will not be applied we will have collapse and EU will talk about their borders, but not with UA joining, more like Baltic losing.
and without increasing pay to Ukrainian soldiers those reforms will not happen.
UA government doesn’t have more money for army , except printing and devaluing our currency, but it’s dead end for economy and again collapse
At this point I think we should finally accept the reality that Ukraine would never be the part of EU and stop being attracted to the dangling carrot.
EU wants Ukraine to be a buffer state against ruzzia, a source of cheap mineral resources, and a source of a cheap workforce.