I personally know people who’ve had to deal with this. Finding a buyer who ‘qualifies’ is so hard that inn some cases the person who inherits the property would be happier just handing it back for free than continuing to pay the service charges indefinitely.
Buying a home shouldn’t just be about a financial investment or providing an inheritance but a lot of buyers of these types of property don’t realise that far from passing on a valuable asset to their families when they die, these sort of arrangements can bequeath a massive headache. That doesn’t mean it’s always a bad move but – just like Shared Ownership or Shared Equity – people need to go into it with their eyes open and understand that ‘home ownership’ doesn’t always mean exactly the same thing and that it’s certainly not always preferable to renting.
Azzaphox on
Just need to accept these are priced lower than normal flats. Simple
PsychologicalBend508 on
this is a literal nightmare for some.
these are really extreme cases but some people are being charged thousands a year in service charges and have literally no legal recourse.
its legal robbery with no oversight and way to escape.
im absolutely flummoxed as to why labour are doing nothing about it. they promised to sort out ground round, but thats not even an issue for most people. i have no idea why they aren’t sorting out service charges.
as far as I’m aware the uk is the only country in the world with a crackpot system like this.
if you really hated someone i suppose you could die and leave them a flat like this in your will.
ParsleySnack on
I might be in this position eventually as mum lives in one of these things. It’s been great for her. Service charges are currently around £11,000 per year. This article scares the bejesus out of me.
I wonder what happens if it’s unsold and the estate goes bankrupt?
Edit: because as far as I know, you cannot inherit debt.
That link shows me that if I believe that this situation would lead to estate insolvency at the very outset, then it’s likely to be in my best interests to renounce executorship at the first opportunity, because that looks bloody compicated.
AstronautAshamed3061 on
Another reason why wife and I had a conversation when the mortgage was paid off on where we live now.
The only way we are leaving that house is in coffins. Ironically, McCarthy Stone are building some flats not far from us. That bunch of shysters are the absolute master’s of sharp practice.
That market sector is truly broken.
Douglesfield_ on
Wonder if some corp will find a way to buy these up for cheap and leverage these assets somehow.
Tony2Nuts on
These flats are like residential homes. They are designed to suck any and all money off a person before they die.
spyder_victor on
It’s terrible, but why are the families paying after they’ve died? Surely the estate pays?
theabominablewonder on
My nan lived in a retirement flat, it’s been almost 4 years since she passed and the flat has had one interested ‘qualifying’ buyer in that time (who then withdrew from the purchase). It’s racking up the debts, it’s been listed below what others have gone for historically and had price cuts since, it’s just near impossible to sell it. Literally no buyers in the market almost regardless of what it’s listed for.
Federal_Sun_2749 on
It’s a horrible situation. My siblings and I had to deal with this after our mum died. I couldn’t believe the service charges. We were fortunate that there was enough money in her estate to pay them and we were also allowed to rent her flat out. We did eventually sell it after about a year.
Minimum_Definition75 on
These aren’t just flats though. The ones near us are more like a half way house between independent living and a care home. They have staff and communal facilities. Whether it’s good value for money I’ve no idea. But the charges are considerably less than a care home.
Perhaps renting them out might be the way forward. Families who don’t want aged relatives living with them or the massive costs of care homes might think they are a reasonable alternative.
Trentdison on
I wonder if the answer to this issue might be for housing associations to be made to buy these places. There will likely be pensioners who can’t afford to buy who would want to live in places like this.
DadofJackJack on
My former step dad moved into one of these, did a part ex with his very nice 3 bed terrace & in my opinion got fleeced. He then died less than a month later.
Fortunately for us (he left mum large part of will) he’d paid five years of fees up front. Which meant we didn’t have to pay. However we were refused any sort of refund. And it took about a year to sell flat at about 50% of what he’d paid for it.
I’d recommend people don’t buy these type of properties.
JeffSergeant on
So, the lesson here is for the executor of the estate to sell them, and to refuse them if you inherit one.
PatienceIsMore on
I bet this gets sorted out by the government before the student loan rip off does.
As always gold plated pensioners before anyone else.
insomnimax_99 on
>the annual service charge of £9,700
What
The
Fuck
shysaver on
Feels like a scam to extract all the “equity” from the property without needing to do much. Even if the service charges could be deferred, they’ll take them off at the point of sale so the owners will be left with nothing.
Me-myself-I-2024 on
Nobody wants the service charges while they are unregulated they are as much as a mortgage in some cases with very little in return
KaleidoscopeFull9951 on
We have hundreds of these flats in our area. Residents pay a huge amount to purchase them, safe in the knowledge that no pesky individuals under the age of 55 will move in and then they keep paying hundreds a month for minuscule benefits, a shared lounge, cleaning the corridor outside their flat, weeding the flower borders. If they have a car, they often have to pay extra to rent a parking space. A new block started construction last year and the developer has stopped working because no one has expressed an interest in buying one, now we have an unsightly pile of rubble in the centre of town. It makes my blood boil thinking of all the young people desperately looking for accommodation, or unable to afford what’s available, and these places are sitting empty for years. There has to be a cap on service fees, for all leasehold properties, so that people can afford to buy and rent them.
darrenturn90 on
Surely this is exploitation of the families. What “services” for an empty flat should possibly cost £750 per month? I understand the costs of elderly care are there when they are occupied, but there should be a double tier for this kind of situation. Its effectively a company scalping money from a family.
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I personally know people who’ve had to deal with this. Finding a buyer who ‘qualifies’ is so hard that inn some cases the person who inherits the property would be happier just handing it back for free than continuing to pay the service charges indefinitely.
Buying a home shouldn’t just be about a financial investment or providing an inheritance but a lot of buyers of these types of property don’t realise that far from passing on a valuable asset to their families when they die, these sort of arrangements can bequeath a massive headache. That doesn’t mean it’s always a bad move but – just like Shared Ownership or Shared Equity – people need to go into it with their eyes open and understand that ‘home ownership’ doesn’t always mean exactly the same thing and that it’s certainly not always preferable to renting.
Just need to accept these are priced lower than normal flats. Simple
this is a literal nightmare for some.
these are really extreme cases but some people are being charged thousands a year in service charges and have literally no legal recourse.
its legal robbery with no oversight and way to escape.
im absolutely flummoxed as to why labour are doing nothing about it. they promised to sort out ground round, but thats not even an issue for most people. i have no idea why they aren’t sorting out service charges.
as far as I’m aware the uk is the only country in the world with a crackpot system like this.
if you really hated someone i suppose you could die and leave them a flat like this in your will.
I might be in this position eventually as mum lives in one of these things. It’s been great for her. Service charges are currently around £11,000 per year. This article scares the bejesus out of me.
I wonder what happens if it’s unsold and the estate goes bankrupt?
Edit: because as far as I know, you cannot inherit debt.
Edit2: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices/content/104115
That link shows me that if I believe that this situation would lead to estate insolvency at the very outset, then it’s likely to be in my best interests to renounce executorship at the first opportunity, because that looks bloody compicated.
Another reason why wife and I had a conversation when the mortgage was paid off on where we live now.
The only way we are leaving that house is in coffins. Ironically, McCarthy Stone are building some flats not far from us. That bunch of shysters are the absolute master’s of sharp practice.
That market sector is truly broken.
Wonder if some corp will find a way to buy these up for cheap and leverage these assets somehow.
These flats are like residential homes. They are designed to suck any and all money off a person before they die.
It’s terrible, but why are the families paying after they’ve died? Surely the estate pays?
My nan lived in a retirement flat, it’s been almost 4 years since she passed and the flat has had one interested ‘qualifying’ buyer in that time (who then withdrew from the purchase). It’s racking up the debts, it’s been listed below what others have gone for historically and had price cuts since, it’s just near impossible to sell it. Literally no buyers in the market almost regardless of what it’s listed for.
It’s a horrible situation. My siblings and I had to deal with this after our mum died. I couldn’t believe the service charges. We were fortunate that there was enough money in her estate to pay them and we were also allowed to rent her flat out. We did eventually sell it after about a year.
These aren’t just flats though. The ones near us are more like a half way house between independent living and a care home. They have staff and communal facilities. Whether it’s good value for money I’ve no idea. But the charges are considerably less than a care home.
Perhaps renting them out might be the way forward. Families who don’t want aged relatives living with them or the massive costs of care homes might think they are a reasonable alternative.
I wonder if the answer to this issue might be for housing associations to be made to buy these places. There will likely be pensioners who can’t afford to buy who would want to live in places like this.
My former step dad moved into one of these, did a part ex with his very nice 3 bed terrace & in my opinion got fleeced. He then died less than a month later.
Fortunately for us (he left mum large part of will) he’d paid five years of fees up front. Which meant we didn’t have to pay. However we were refused any sort of refund. And it took about a year to sell flat at about 50% of what he’d paid for it.
I’d recommend people don’t buy these type of properties.
So, the lesson here is for the executor of the estate to sell them, and to refuse them if you inherit one.
I bet this gets sorted out by the government before the student loan rip off does.
As always gold plated pensioners before anyone else.
>the annual service charge of £9,700
What
The
Fuck
Feels like a scam to extract all the “equity” from the property without needing to do much. Even if the service charges could be deferred, they’ll take them off at the point of sale so the owners will be left with nothing.
Nobody wants the service charges while they are unregulated they are as much as a mortgage in some cases with very little in return
We have hundreds of these flats in our area. Residents pay a huge amount to purchase them, safe in the knowledge that no pesky individuals under the age of 55 will move in and then they keep paying hundreds a month for minuscule benefits, a shared lounge, cleaning the corridor outside their flat, weeding the flower borders. If they have a car, they often have to pay extra to rent a parking space. A new block started construction last year and the developer has stopped working because no one has expressed an interest in buying one, now we have an unsightly pile of rubble in the centre of town. It makes my blood boil thinking of all the young people desperately looking for accommodation, or unable to afford what’s available, and these places are sitting empty for years. There has to be a cap on service fees, for all leasehold properties, so that people can afford to buy and rent them.
Surely this is exploitation of the families. What “services” for an empty flat should possibly cost £750 per month? I understand the costs of elderly care are there when they are occupied, but there should be a double tier for this kind of situation. Its effectively a company scalping money from a family.