Reform’s by-election candidate suggested people who don’t have children should pay more tax
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/reform-matt-goodwin-children-tax-gorton-denton-b2914817.html?test_group=lighteradlayout
Posted by birdinthebush74
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I would like to propose a tax on Reform candidates.
So people who don’t have children but must have them later because life is so unaffordable, and less of them, must pay more tax? Right… honestly who the fuck are these idiots leading the polls
People in the Manchester constituency today got a letter pretending to be from a pensioner called “Patricia Clegg” who complained about winter fuel, the nhs and gender free toilets lol. They’re so manipulative and desperate it’s unreal
If a couple with kids receives tax relief, it will be the same with all couples without children paying more tax.
This is a classical debate about taxes.
Germany (for example) provides tax discounts for those with children. And that can be interpreted as tax on child-free people.
Why is it that the worst people out there are the ones so obsessed with everyone having kids
Word on the street (i.e. PopBitch) has it that this dude lost his last election campaign (in school) to someone whose only policy was ‘A Vote For Goodwin Is A Vote For The Gays’.
Make of that what you will.
Im always amused by people who believe migration rates should go down and birth rates should go up simultainiously.
If migrants should go home because Britan is full then people having more kids isnt going to make things better. If people should have more kids because jobs are going unfilled then migration solves that problem now rather than in 2 decades time.
Is this some Musk/American evangelical talking point or something? I thought the right was against the state paying for or helping children in any way?
Alot of people (most?) want to buy a house before having kids. You know what would set people back? Being unable to save a deposit because they’re paying more tax… because they don’t have kids!
That would be a vicious cycle.
They already do, this is what child tax credits and tax free childcare and child benefit is all in place for
[Every sperm…](https://youtu.be/fUspLVStPbk?si=RiS7P1zHGT-Arc5-)
What if you _Can’t_ have children and don’t want a surrogate or to adopt?
People who vote Reform should pay more tax. They seem happy enough for everyone else to struggle. Only fair they do their bit.
This already exists in some form via child benefit. Numerically, there is no difference between people with kids getting a benefit versus people without kids paying more tax. The difference is only psychological.
What if we can’t have children? Will we get a disability check?
lol they wouldn’t get any tax from me because I would be out of this country with that shit. If you choose to have children that’s your tough shit you have less money. That’s part of the reason I don’t want children. I pay enough mother fucking tax that goes towards benefits families already get.
so as a young infertile person he thinks i should get bent, got it
I do, but it’s the other way round. We all pay the same tax rate depending on our pay, and they literally get cash back.
Reform literally have no clue.
So paying more than the average UK salary in tax isn’t enough?? Fuck off..
But Farage says we have too many people and it puts a strain on housing, transport, NHS etc
I actually want to be a mum. Wanted to be a wife and mother since i was young but as we got older we have realised its not affordable to have children and honestly not much of a safe world to bring them into. So we are being punished for doing the right thing ?
Ah yes, bleed the childless and young dry to prop up the triple locked, bus pass wielding, free prescription having, asset owning cohort of pensioners that swing elections.
God help this country.
So basically if you’re young, single and childless but working you get no assistance for anything and taxed even more, while already having a totally unworkable cost of living.
Why do these clowns think they’re anywhere near competent enough to be commenting on policy?
What about people who can’t have kids, or people who have lost a child, would they have to pay more tax too according to this shit stain.
People who cost less should pay more as punishment… great logic 👍 How about Reform’s donors pay more tax instead!
Article reads as if he suggested a similar tax policy to Poland, in regards to a cut after 2 children, rather than imposing a tax on childless women.
Don’t they already? If you consider child benefits.
shame their parents were not told this interesting fact, they might have had second thoughts.
Would be interesting to see what the anti-migrant crowd has to say about this. Y’all thought Reform would only milk immigrants for their tax money and nobody else?
Ahh so those who can’t afford to have kids should pay more? The idiocy of reform aside, the math ain’t mathing.
So copying china’s way of solving it.. How about addressing the underlying issues instead that is in no way solely isolated to the UK. At least be brave and suggest that parents should have mandated less work time in order to care for their kids. Do you need a place to live with your kids? Cool now the state subsides your mortgage for the amount of time it takes to achieve legal age for he child. Cheaper groceries? Here you go, a yearly allowance. Childcare is now basically free.
Ah yes lets pump out kids as a way to claim benefits and a tax dodge, what a great plan. Can’t believe people actually consider these clowns a real party…
The parallels between Goodwin and JD Vance are endlessly fascinating to me:
-Went from being a darling of the liberal press for his work analysing the rise of right-wing populism and the ways in which it takes root in ‘left behind communities’ to being a hardline rightoid himself and subscribing to all the extreme views he once examined academically
-Pro-natalist nutcase calling for punitive measures against people who don’t have (white) children despite being a member of a political party which opposes any kind of social security measure or welfare benefit designed to stop the cost of raising a child from becoming prohibitively expensive.
-Constantly makes a virtue of his ostensibly precarious and humble working class upbringing, the details of which he most likely heavily embellished or exaggerated
-Running for political office on a platform of ‘look how much of a disgusting derelict shithole this area you live in is and what idle scummy louts its inhabitants are’.
-Completely unprincipled reprobate whose political views change at a moment’s notice depending on which group/powerful figure he’s currently trying to ingratiate himself with.
-Completely and totally nuked his brain through 20+ hours of twitter usage a day, resultantly obsessed with being seen as cool and based by 17 year old groypers on twitter with usernames like ‘AngloHitler1488’
-Hideously ugly and genuinely insufferable freak completely incapable of holding a conversation with a normal person for 5 seconds.
childless people use less government/local authority services. so should pay less
Yeah, no way.
I’m already paying for services for children that I don’t personally benefit from because I don’t have kids, and I’m fine with that. I get that we all contribute to public services that not all of us will use because it benfits society overall.
But to suggest I should pay more because I use less is ludicruios.
Not to mention that this suggestions directly goes against the low tax and personal responsibility mantra that Reform claim to be have.
Its a tax on single , non heterosexual , infertile people then.
What do reform want? Do they want people not to have kids they can’t afford? Or do they want the people who can’t afford kids to pay extra to pay for the people who can?
Screw you. I’m not having children because I’m disabled and won’t be able to give a child what they need. It’s not fair to punish someone for recognising they would be a bad parent.
For all reforms talk of freedom they seem to be obsessed with punishing people for their life choices.
The effect this would have on the gay population is, I guess, a feature rather than a bug.
Yes, I know gay couples *do* have children, but do you honestly think that these bozos are going to stand by and accept the mere presence of a child is sufficient when they can say, “ah! But it is not possible for two (wo)men to create a child!” and then have a few more weeks of their hatred detracting from the fact that the country continues to circle the drain?
England is now intent on electing these morons into no10. That will be the end of the U.K. Scotland and wales will not tolerate xenophobic idiots like that.
I got to the point where I could no longer support the U.K. and their cycle of self harming electoral disasters. I’ve left.
People decide NOT to have children because of the cost, so if Reform think taxing them more will make it better.. think again. If people have no reason not to have kids then they will have them and the cost to govt with child benefit and then child are and health care will increase. Pathetic twats.
Does this apply to kids over the age of 18? Because if so, I’m willing to adopt some of you.
In the same breath their leader said he’d reinstate the 2 child benefit cap?
Cool, do it get benefits payouts for not having children then, thus not being a higher burden upon the state then?
What so many reform voters dont get is taht one of 2 things needs to happen-
Either we increase domestic birth rates by funding things like childcare. Or we will need increased immigration to make up for the shortfall (which they definitely don’t want)
They dont seem to grasp we can’t have a declining birth rates with low immigration, its not possible!
I’d rather the middle class were incentivesed to have children, fully FOC childcare for 2 parents in fulltime employment
Even more parallels with the Christo-fascists in America.
This feels very Mutterkruez-coded, there shouldn’t be any penalties nor external “incentives” for not having or having children, it’s an individual personal choice, and it feels wrong for a government to intervene specifically with that choice.
It also feels like another way to keep people poorer, many people choose not to have children because they don’t have the finances or just because it’s ludicrously expensive and this dickhead sees people doing that and thinks they’re trying to game the system
Can’t afford to have kids, can’t afford to not have kids.