this is the only evidence you need to see there’s no difference between Serb and Croat, you can’t even see the silly border
jinengii on
I truly don’t understand why the Croatian elites chose Shtokavian as the base of their “very distinct language” when they standardized their version of Serbo-Croatian.
If the Serbian standard was already based off Shtokavian, the capital of Croatia spoke Kajkavian and they wanted to differentiate themselves from the Serbs, why didn’t they go with Kajkavian?
jinengii on
Wait are the differences between Western and Southern Shtokavian just the different religions? How does that count as different sub-dialects wtf
“Torlakian” is a West Bulgarian dialect influenced by Serbian. They only got these lands after the Russo-Turkish War of 1878, they weren’t a part of Old Serbia and were listed as a province with a Bulgarian population in Ottoman censuses (“Nish subprovince”).
BeautifulSerious2965 on
Chakavian subdialects are incorrectly shown and kajkavian dialects west of Zagreb are definitely not part of some “slovene border dialects”. Also, I’ve never heard that someone adds the phantom third subdivision to a shtokavian shown here as “southern shtokavian”, usually it’s considered as part of the western form.
Torantes on
Nationalism has been the WORST invention of mankind
mashalab on
It would have been nice to include in this map the three different “yat pronunciations” of the Shtokavian: ijekavian, ekavian and ikavian.
The first two were one of the main differences I noticed when I crossed Croatia and Serbia. Never heard the ikavian pronunciation.
Also, I would tend to consider Kajkavian and Chakavian distinct languages more than dialects but I’m not a native so I could be wrong. Any thoughts?
KeyserWood on
It’s a cool map, but it’s very simplified and outdated by at least 50 years.
The map implies that the majority of people in Istria speak Chakavian, which is far from the truth.
And Torlakian is nowadays an archaic dialect spoken in rural areas close to Bulgaria, while the map implies that it is spoken throughout southern Serbia.
CakiGM on
Great work, tho there is way more diversity within those super dialects than what is shown
shadowdance55 on
AirWolf231 on
I see a lot of BS comments here. The wars in Yugoslavia, including ww2 where not based on language, religion or even ethnicity as much as history influencing politics of each of the nations. This is most evident in the breakup of Yugoslavia!
Croatia and Slovenia who where historically tied to Central Europe wanted a Federal system with a decentralized government while Serbia and to a lesser extend Montenegro influenced by Balkan history of having hard leaders to survive against enemies such as the Ottomans wanted a Centralized country where all the power is flowing into one place.(Bosnia is the more of a neutral stance on both since they are a mix of multiple people)
Even if we where the same religion, we would still fight based on political differences, thous are the core of the problem and why I believe a new Yugoslavia is utterly idiotic. What we need is separate nations with close rations.
islander_guy on
The dark blue dialect doesn’t bleed into Albania at all?
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Who gives a shit.
this is the only evidence you need to see there’s no difference between Serb and Croat, you can’t even see the silly border
I truly don’t understand why the Croatian elites chose Shtokavian as the base of their “very distinct language” when they standardized their version of Serbo-Croatian.
If the Serbian standard was already based off Shtokavian, the capital of Croatia spoke Kajkavian and they wanted to differentiate themselves from the Serbs, why didn’t they go with Kajkavian?
Wait are the differences between Western and Southern Shtokavian just the different religions? How does that count as different sub-dialects wtf
How are Gorski Kotar dialects considered border dialects? To Slovene perhaps since Slovene linguists actually consider it as a continuation of the [Lower Carniolan dialect group](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/08/Lower_Carniolan_dialect_group.svg/1280px-Lower_Carniolan_dialect_group.svg.png)?
“Torlakian” is a West Bulgarian dialect influenced by Serbian. They only got these lands after the Russo-Turkish War of 1878, they weren’t a part of Old Serbia and were listed as a province with a Bulgarian population in Ottoman censuses (“Nish subprovince”).
Chakavian subdialects are incorrectly shown and kajkavian dialects west of Zagreb are definitely not part of some “slovene border dialects”. Also, I’ve never heard that someone adds the phantom third subdivision to a shtokavian shown here as “southern shtokavian”, usually it’s considered as part of the western form.
Nationalism has been the WORST invention of mankind
It would have been nice to include in this map the three different “yat pronunciations” of the Shtokavian: ijekavian, ekavian and ikavian.
The first two were one of the main differences I noticed when I crossed Croatia and Serbia. Never heard the ikavian pronunciation.
Also, I would tend to consider Kajkavian and Chakavian distinct languages more than dialects but I’m not a native so I could be wrong. Any thoughts?
It’s a cool map, but it’s very simplified and outdated by at least 50 years.
The map implies that the majority of people in Istria speak Chakavian, which is far from the truth.
And Torlakian is nowadays an archaic dialect spoken in rural areas close to Bulgaria, while the map implies that it is spoken throughout southern Serbia.
Great work, tho there is way more diversity within those super dialects than what is shown
I see a lot of BS comments here. The wars in Yugoslavia, including ww2 where not based on language, religion or even ethnicity as much as history influencing politics of each of the nations. This is most evident in the breakup of Yugoslavia!
Croatia and Slovenia who where historically tied to Central Europe wanted a Federal system with a decentralized government while Serbia and to a lesser extend Montenegro influenced by Balkan history of having hard leaders to survive against enemies such as the Ottomans wanted a Centralized country where all the power is flowing into one place.(Bosnia is the more of a neutral stance on both since they are a mix of multiple people)
Even if we where the same religion, we would still fight based on political differences, thous are the core of the problem and why I believe a new Yugoslavia is utterly idiotic. What we need is separate nations with close rations.
The dark blue dialect doesn’t bleed into Albania at all?