This could have gotten hashed out during the primary if we’d had a real primary. There were clear signs, the Uncommited movement was a big deal, something you don’t see in a regular primary. But that energy had nowhere to go and no other candidate to rally. I’m so frustrated that no one dared to run against Biden.
TintedApostle on
and yet Trump was worse….
Tokens_Only on
It’s emblematic of a broader problem: the DNC keeps blaming their voters for their losses, but they’ve been diverging from the will of their voters more and more over the last decade because they’re spooked. Dem voters believe in and want strong moral stances on things like Gaza, immigration, LGBT rights, etc. But the candidate platforms keep scurrying to the right on those specific issues because they’re afraid of being painted as radicals.
But look at Minneapolis: these aren’t blue-haired college students coming out to scream at ICE. They’re middle aged wine moms, construction workers who’ve never protested before, women in luxury cars with Lululemon pants. Normal everyday people are demanding the Democrats stand up for something and fight back against the MAGA. They want full court press, full obstruction, full-throated pushback. And they aren’t getting it.
Like yes, in many ways Trump’s rhetoric on Gaza is worse than Harris’s. But materially, she would’ve kept her hands behind her back too, would’ve kept selling arms to Israel too. It’s hard to argue that many more Gazans would be alive under her tenure at this point, she just would’ve given more sound bites about being “concerned and heartbroken,” Susan Collins style. I’d love to believe different, but the evidence suggests we weren’t voting genocide vs non-genocide, we were voting genocide vs slower genocide.
The Dems made people feel like we were all screwed, like nothing mattered, like they had no fight in them. They need to wake up and start screaming.
PresidentBreeblebrox on
Said it back then and will repeat it now, the uncommitted movement was Never a Threat but always a Warning. For the love of all we hold dear Listen next time,,, oh and before you @ me, yes I voted for your unpopular corporate neoliberal candidate
MenagerieAlfred on
– Biden runs after promising he was gonna be a transitional president.
– Biden catastrophically keeps his position, even after the debate wasting precious time.
– The DNC decides not to hold a primary.
Also the dems: “this was the voters’ fault”.
Wenuven on
The DNC autopsy proving the DNC has no understanding of the average American or what they prioritize.
ThonThaddeo on
Hence their refusal to release it publicly
StormbreakerHC on
It was up to her and her campaign to get the message out to voters and she failed at every turn by listening to the wrong peopel.
Maybe it was a big mistake to double down on Biden’s unpopular policies instead of forging your own path.
She repeatedly said she wouldn’t do things differently and refused to criticize Biden and it lost her the election.
Sourkarate on
This is what happens to a moron who courts the Cheneys and not the center left.
dragonflyzmaximize on
Of course it did. He supported (and by supported let’s be clear, not just with words, but with a ton of money and weapons) a state committing genocide against another people, and we all fucking watched it live streamed to us 24/7. All while being told we were overreacting, that it wasn’t what was happening, by the smug motherfuckers in his administration. Meanwhile any fucking moron with a phone could see what was going on and see that it was absolutely horrific, terrifying shit. And he enabled it. (So shut the fuck up, Hillary Clinton, btw.)
And Harris wouldn’t distance herself from that.
I voted for her bc I knew that Trump would be worse on so many other fronts (as we see he is), but I’m not going to sit here and pretend like Gaza is one of them, or blame those who couldn’t get past it. The entire year+ previous to Trump saw the US (and Biden/Harris) supporting a literal genocide.
Would a Harris admin be more diplomatic about it, i.e. not talk so publicly about turning it into a golf course, or private beach-front properties or whatever? Sure, probably. Would the situation be largely the same as it is right now? Also most likely, just with a different structure designed to appease moderates while essentially doing the same thing.
naththegrath10 on
To some of you in this sub: Schrödinger’s leftist, so important that a small amount of them can sway an entire election but so unimportant that their vote shouldn’t be campaigned for
ChaseThoseDreams on
There are two truths at play here: 1) not voting for Harris was more harmful to Palestine, as Trump was exceedingly the bigger threat to them, and 2) the DNC committed malpractice by not listening to their voters and expecting their votes simply by virtue of not being Trump.
As easy as it is to bag on voters who didn’t show up, at some point you have to hold the DNC accountable. If Trump was really the catastrophic threat to our democracy like they ran on, which he is, why didn’t the DNC course correct? Why was their pitch to the American people the status quo which was not polling well? It screams entitlement and incompetence. We should have much higher expectations of those wanting to be voted in and to lead than our voters.
17syllables on
I remember the Convention refusing to allocate a speaking spot or airtime to this. Sanders mentioned it briefly, and they sandwiched him between two billionaires.
Far_Eye6555 on
It’s odd to me that it was suddenly forgotten around election time how natenahyu and the Kushner’s are very close family friends.
monkeysknowledge on
You can’t lecture people about civility and morality and then unquestionably back a genocide. I can imagine a younger more idealistic version of me voting third party or staying home in 2024. Not saying it was right (Gaza is in worse shape because Harris lost) but I understand the impulse to vomit in ones own mouth at the thought of voting for these hypocrites.
ron_spanky on
Voting for Trump because Biden supported Israel makes no sense.
FocusFlukeGyro on
No shit
AnestheticAle on
This is wild to me because I feel like the vast majority of people I interact with (in white and blue collar roles) don’t give a shit about foreign policy beyond avoiding more conflicts.
augustrem on
Does anyone have information about who or what entities did this “autopsy?”
Because I was a staffer in leadership in a swing state and I am also in contact with many people who worked above me including people who worked directly with Kamala or Joe.
One thing we’ve talked about consistently since this election is “who exactly are doing these autopsies? And why the hell are they not talking to us because we have a lot to say.”
edit: nvm it says right in the article it’s the official DNC one. Anyway . . .
lifeinrednblack on
Yeah no shit
Although the people who voted again Harris for it are also fucking short sighted idiots
Much-Anything7149 on
Here’s the easy autopsy and I didn’t even need a scalpel:
1) Biden needed to announce his stepping down after the 2022 midterm winners were seated. Then we could’ve had a proper primary to elect someone fully capable of beating Trump who has inertia from the primary victory.
2) The DNC needed to articulate Trump’s stance on Gaza; that Biden negotiated with Israel on aid relief and press zones, etc. whereas Trump literally had zero stance to assist Gazans. Biden wasn’t great with Israel, but handing a vote to someone who will clearly be worse doesn’t make sense.
3) Biden appointing Garland to be AG and then waiting almost 2 years to appoint a J6 special prosecutor.
I_wear_foxgloves on
I voted Harris, though I wasn’t happy about it because of HER Gaza stance and HER position on single payer health care.
Glittering_Joke3438 on
The fact that she couldn’t competently answer the most obvious questions in interviews didn’t help either.
vbfronkis on
You needed a fucking “autopsy” for that? Ask anyone under 50 and they’d have told you “fuck that apartheid state Israel.”
Skeletor-P-Funk on
Big Bad Biden, supporting Israel. That’s why they’re not on Trump’s Board of Peac– oh they are? Well at least Democrats like Chuck Schumer aren’t still professing support for Israe– oh he his? So it’s still just business as usual? Oh, ok …
youmustbedocholiday on
2030: DNC autopsy found Newsom backing Israel cost him votes for the president
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This could have gotten hashed out during the primary if we’d had a real primary. There were clear signs, the Uncommited movement was a big deal, something you don’t see in a regular primary. But that energy had nowhere to go and no other candidate to rally. I’m so frustrated that no one dared to run against Biden.
and yet Trump was worse….
It’s emblematic of a broader problem: the DNC keeps blaming their voters for their losses, but they’ve been diverging from the will of their voters more and more over the last decade because they’re spooked. Dem voters believe in and want strong moral stances on things like Gaza, immigration, LGBT rights, etc. But the candidate platforms keep scurrying to the right on those specific issues because they’re afraid of being painted as radicals.
But look at Minneapolis: these aren’t blue-haired college students coming out to scream at ICE. They’re middle aged wine moms, construction workers who’ve never protested before, women in luxury cars with Lululemon pants. Normal everyday people are demanding the Democrats stand up for something and fight back against the MAGA. They want full court press, full obstruction, full-throated pushback. And they aren’t getting it.
Like yes, in many ways Trump’s rhetoric on Gaza is worse than Harris’s. But materially, she would’ve kept her hands behind her back too, would’ve kept selling arms to Israel too. It’s hard to argue that many more Gazans would be alive under her tenure at this point, she just would’ve given more sound bites about being “concerned and heartbroken,” Susan Collins style. I’d love to believe different, but the evidence suggests we weren’t voting genocide vs non-genocide, we were voting genocide vs slower genocide.
The Dems made people feel like we were all screwed, like nothing mattered, like they had no fight in them. They need to wake up and start screaming.
Said it back then and will repeat it now, the uncommitted movement was Never a Threat but always a Warning. For the love of all we hold dear Listen next time,,, oh and before you @ me, yes I voted for your unpopular corporate neoliberal candidate
– Biden runs after promising he was gonna be a transitional president.
– Biden catastrophically keeps his position, even after the debate wasting precious time.
– The DNC decides not to hold a primary.
Also the dems: “this was the voters’ fault”.
The DNC autopsy proving the DNC has no understanding of the average American or what they prioritize.
Hence their refusal to release it publicly
It was up to her and her campaign to get the message out to voters and she failed at every turn by listening to the wrong peopel.
Maybe it was a big mistake to double down on Biden’s unpopular policies instead of forging your own path.
She repeatedly said she wouldn’t do things differently and refused to criticize Biden and it lost her the election.
This is what happens to a moron who courts the Cheneys and not the center left.
Of course it did. He supported (and by supported let’s be clear, not just with words, but with a ton of money and weapons) a state committing genocide against another people, and we all fucking watched it live streamed to us 24/7. All while being told we were overreacting, that it wasn’t what was happening, by the smug motherfuckers in his administration. Meanwhile any fucking moron with a phone could see what was going on and see that it was absolutely horrific, terrifying shit. And he enabled it. (So shut the fuck up, Hillary Clinton, btw.)
And Harris wouldn’t distance herself from that.
I voted for her bc I knew that Trump would be worse on so many other fronts (as we see he is), but I’m not going to sit here and pretend like Gaza is one of them, or blame those who couldn’t get past it. The entire year+ previous to Trump saw the US (and Biden/Harris) supporting a literal genocide.
Would a Harris admin be more diplomatic about it, i.e. not talk so publicly about turning it into a golf course, or private beach-front properties or whatever? Sure, probably. Would the situation be largely the same as it is right now? Also most likely, just with a different structure designed to appease moderates while essentially doing the same thing.
To some of you in this sub: Schrödinger’s leftist, so important that a small amount of them can sway an entire election but so unimportant that their vote shouldn’t be campaigned for
There are two truths at play here: 1) not voting for Harris was more harmful to Palestine, as Trump was exceedingly the bigger threat to them, and 2) the DNC committed malpractice by not listening to their voters and expecting their votes simply by virtue of not being Trump.
As easy as it is to bag on voters who didn’t show up, at some point you have to hold the DNC accountable. If Trump was really the catastrophic threat to our democracy like they ran on, which he is, why didn’t the DNC course correct? Why was their pitch to the American people the status quo which was not polling well? It screams entitlement and incompetence. We should have much higher expectations of those wanting to be voted in and to lead than our voters.
I remember the Convention refusing to allocate a speaking spot or airtime to this. Sanders mentioned it briefly, and they sandwiched him between two billionaires.
It’s odd to me that it was suddenly forgotten around election time how natenahyu and the Kushner’s are very close family friends.
You can’t lecture people about civility and morality and then unquestionably back a genocide. I can imagine a younger more idealistic version of me voting third party or staying home in 2024. Not saying it was right (Gaza is in worse shape because Harris lost) but I understand the impulse to vomit in ones own mouth at the thought of voting for these hypocrites.
Voting for Trump because Biden supported Israel makes no sense.
No shit
This is wild to me because I feel like the vast majority of people I interact with (in white and blue collar roles) don’t give a shit about foreign policy beyond avoiding more conflicts.
Does anyone have information about who or what entities did this “autopsy?”
Because I was a staffer in leadership in a swing state and I am also in contact with many people who worked above me including people who worked directly with Kamala or Joe.
One thing we’ve talked about consistently since this election is “who exactly are doing these autopsies? And why the hell are they not talking to us because we have a lot to say.”
edit: nvm it says right in the article it’s the official DNC one. Anyway . . .
Yeah no shit
Although the people who voted again Harris for it are also fucking short sighted idiots
Here’s the easy autopsy and I didn’t even need a scalpel:
1) Biden needed to announce his stepping down after the 2022 midterm winners were seated. Then we could’ve had a proper primary to elect someone fully capable of beating Trump who has inertia from the primary victory.
2) The DNC needed to articulate Trump’s stance on Gaza; that Biden negotiated with Israel on aid relief and press zones, etc. whereas Trump literally had zero stance to assist Gazans. Biden wasn’t great with Israel, but handing a vote to someone who will clearly be worse doesn’t make sense.
3) Biden appointing Garland to be AG and then waiting almost 2 years to appoint a J6 special prosecutor.
I voted Harris, though I wasn’t happy about it because of HER Gaza stance and HER position on single payer health care.
The fact that she couldn’t competently answer the most obvious questions in interviews didn’t help either.
You needed a fucking “autopsy” for that? Ask anyone under 50 and they’d have told you “fuck that apartheid state Israel.”
Big Bad Biden, supporting Israel. That’s why they’re not on Trump’s Board of Peac– oh they are? Well at least Democrats like Chuck Schumer aren’t still professing support for Israe– oh he his? So it’s still just business as usual? Oh, ok …
2030: DNC autopsy found Newsom backing Israel cost him votes for the president
Those voters cut their noses to spite their face
How did that work out for them?