idk if Starmer and Cobra remember that iran’s nuclear program was blown up by trump and co last year?
radiant_0wl on
A required and welcomed statement, but the UK making the statement alone is disappointing. It should have been a combined statement with the likes of the EU and the Commonwealth.
Realistically, these strikes are going to achieve very little politically, except degrade Iran’s military. The Iranian leadership is unlikely to be in Iran, and there are very few signs that there will be a coup against the leadership. It’s likely to be a very limited number of strikes aimed at degrading Iran’s military assets.
It’s possible that Iran’s nuclear sites have already been hit by US 30,000 lbers and are virtually destroyed.
The question is what comes next; how do we move beyond the strikes? It’s likely there will be a settlement of hostilities with the Iranian government, based on some agreed terms.
Edit: Copied and pasted my comment from a thread which was deleted due to duplication based on this story from another media outlet – although more framed towards the statement.
FlabbyShabby on
So, is UK finally going to ostracise USA for its crimes against humanity? Just this year – an attack, invasion and regime change of Venezuela. Now, an attack on Iran. Also, don’t forget that near the whole US administration is run by *compromised* persons, as hinted at by the Epstein files.
Edit: If US *invades* Iran to regime-change the Iranian gov, the new puppet will give US (& Israel) permanent access to its oil, just like what happened with Iraq, Libya and Venezuela. Anyone else see a pattern, here?
somnamna2516 on
Please do not drag British troops into the orange nonce’s Epstein distraction war
Lard_Baron on
If I was the leader of Iran I’d be going flat out for a nuclear weapon.
Bugger the agreement with the EU/US that they wouldn’t. The US withdrew from that agreement and its proxy Israel and itself regularly attack them with impunity.
They absolutely need a nuke.
contrast N Korea immunity to attacks v Irans.
Edit: I’ll add this. I’ve worked all over the M.E. including Iran as an elect eng. I was there for the Siemens overspeed hack.
While in the M.E. I found time to wonder why things were the state they were and why the USA was always poking its nose in and why was Iran so hated while I found it one of the better states I stayed in.
Here’s my brief overview of the M.E.
There are two major factions in the M.E. Sunni and Shiia. the US backs the Sunni.
Those Sunni countries being Saudi, Egypt, Kuwait.
the Shiia being Iran, Iraq, Syria.
It’s all about the ability to control access to the worlds most plentiful source of energy. 50% of the worlds oil is sourced from the M.E.
Americas number one objective in the Middle East: **The availability to the US and its allies of resources, the strategic positions and the passage rights and the denial of such rights and resources to the soviet block.**
So in 1955 the US sought to control the Gulf, to have the ability guarantee its access and to deny access to others. Oil has not become less important in the prevailing 60 years.
Formally the USSR was the rival and was seen off with the help of Israel, ( It was what proved Israels worth to the US ) Iran was a client. Iran is no longer a client and so currently the US would like to prevent the formation of the a [**Shiia crescent,**](http://bintel.com.ua/uploads/images/2014/vol3.jpg) with Iran at its head.
Should Iran succeed in creating such an entity this would be a genuine threat to Americas passage rights and strategic positions in the region, which as you will recall is America #1 objective in the M.E.
The US will seek to control the M.E. so long as oil powers the world. Control of this resource is a major plank in the USA’s super power status.
I don’t think there is a better ally in this ambition to control the gulf than Israel. Israel is a western enclave in the region, is a regional pariah completely dependent on the US for weapons and coverage from UN sanctions and proven ability to kick arab ass. Who would be better?
If you view everything in the M.E. through a Sunni/Shiia/Oil lens all becomes clearer.
The US state dept has called Saudi and the description can be extended to the region [**“a stupendous source of strategic power, and one of the greatest material prizes in world history.”**](http://revcom.us/a/090/iran-pt2-en.html)
Control the M.E and you have your foot on the windpipe of the European and Asian economies. Relinquishing that control is unthinkable. Relinquishing control to an Iranian shiia block /China/ Russia is doubly unthinkable. All other potential rivals have to figure Americas control of the oil flow into their calculations. The USA controls the oil. If the USA decides, say China, will not be getting M.E. oil then it can stop the flow. China knows this, the USA knows this. Thus before things get violent China will have to back down. ( China used for example only )
On the Petro$: The Shiia would not use the petro$. The use of the petro$ means that the US can print dollars to pay for price increases in oil. Industrialised countries without oil, such as Japan EU or China, have to export to the US in order to obtain dollars to exchange for Opec oil; for example, cars in the case of Japan. So America gets oil, services and goods (eg cars) in exchange for pieces of paper. Not only that but Opec’s excess dollars were then reinvested in the US and other industrialised countries, thus funding the US budget deficit and reducing US interest rates.
It would be a massive blow to lose the petrodollar. The value of the $ would plunge, the PetroEuro would rise. The Europeans would plunder US assets.
TL:DR if you look at any conflict in the M.E. look at the sides, Shiia and Sunni, I’ll find the US will back the Sunni as they have oil and use the Petro$
Prestigious_Clock865 on
If Starmer supports the US’s and Israelis illegal war, then it’s time for him to go
Edit: Despite all the downvotes and braindead replies under this, Starmer’s speech pretty much proves exactly what I’ve been saying.
Amazing that the future absolved me within a matter of hours.
Dude4001 on
Difficult position because I have no ethical issues with the West ending the civilian bloodshed there, but Trump being a necessary collaborator in that is a real ick
Yakona0409 on
America and israhell breaking international law and using military might to get what they want? Best we can do is call a meeting and write a strongly worded letter maybe even offer some land that isn’t ours etc appeasement always works.
Hollywood-is-DOA on
I hope that people have electricity deals and aren’t on the verge of being charged sky high fees for it.
>The timing of the US and Israeli attack on Iran bears symbolic meaning in Judaism. Ahead of the upcoming Jewish holiday of Purim, worshippers read the specific portion from the Old Testament, known as Zachor.
Whod’athunkit that Trump was such a scholar of world religions eh? *How thoughtful of him to pick that date. Another funny thing*, CNN itself was just bought by one of the largest donors to the IDF! All very remarkable.
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idk if Starmer and Cobra remember that iran’s nuclear program was blown up by trump and co last year?
A required and welcomed statement, but the UK making the statement alone is disappointing. It should have been a combined statement with the likes of the EU and the Commonwealth.
Realistically, these strikes are going to achieve very little politically, except degrade Iran’s military. The Iranian leadership is unlikely to be in Iran, and there are very few signs that there will be a coup against the leadership. It’s likely to be a very limited number of strikes aimed at degrading Iran’s military assets.
It’s possible that Iran’s nuclear sites have already been hit by US 30,000 lbers and are virtually destroyed.
The question is what comes next; how do we move beyond the strikes? It’s likely there will be a settlement of hostilities with the Iranian government, based on some agreed terms.
Edit: Copied and pasted my comment from a thread which was deleted due to duplication based on this story from another media outlet – although more framed towards the statement.
So, is UK finally going to ostracise USA for its crimes against humanity? Just this year – an attack, invasion and regime change of Venezuela. Now, an attack on Iran. Also, don’t forget that near the whole US administration is run by *compromised* persons, as hinted at by the Epstein files.
Edit: If US *invades* Iran to regime-change the Iranian gov, the new puppet will give US (& Israel) permanent access to its oil, just like what happened with Iraq, Libya and Venezuela. Anyone else see a pattern, here?
Please do not drag British troops into the orange nonce’s Epstein distraction war
If I was the leader of Iran I’d be going flat out for a nuclear weapon.
Bugger the agreement with the EU/US that they wouldn’t. The US withdrew from that agreement and its proxy Israel and itself regularly attack them with impunity.
They absolutely need a nuke.
contrast N Korea immunity to attacks v Irans.
Edit: I’ll add this. I’ve worked all over the M.E. including Iran as an elect eng. I was there for the Siemens overspeed hack.
While in the M.E. I found time to wonder why things were the state they were and why the USA was always poking its nose in and why was Iran so hated while I found it one of the better states I stayed in.
Here’s my brief overview of the M.E.
There are two major factions in the M.E. Sunni and Shiia. the US backs the Sunni.
Those Sunni countries being Saudi, Egypt, Kuwait.
the Shiia being Iran, Iraq, Syria.
It’s all about the ability to control access to the worlds most plentiful source of energy. 50% of the worlds oil is sourced from the M.E.
[**Here’s a real US policy doc from 1955. Take note of the objectives. Its not mythical. Its there in black and white.**](http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB78/propaganda%20127.pdf)
Americas number one objective in the Middle East: **The availability to the US and its allies of resources, the strategic positions and the passage rights and the denial of such rights and resources to the soviet block.**
So in 1955 the US sought to control the Gulf, to have the ability guarantee its access and to deny access to others. Oil has not become less important in the prevailing 60 years.
Formally the USSR was the rival and was seen off with the help of Israel, ( It was what proved Israels worth to the US ) Iran was a client. Iran is no longer a client and so currently the US would like to prevent the formation of the a [**Shiia crescent,**](http://bintel.com.ua/uploads/images/2014/vol3.jpg) with Iran at its head.
This crescent would include the Shiia land in Saudi. This is why Saudi and Iran are implacable enemies. Saudi is a US client for protection against Iran. [**If you look and Shiia land in Saudi**](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-w26Pl18fmRY/TzFc-rnckII/AAAAAAAAAMg/z8K_-AuXefQ/s1600/Saudi_shia.jpg) you’ll note it sits on top of the [**big oil fields**](https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Map-showing-the-location-of-hydrocarbon-fields-in-east-central-Saudi-Arabia_fig1_317491381). “Find Shiia find oil” is a local saying. The Shiia are the potential rivals to US hegemony in the gulf.
Should Iran succeed in creating such an entity this would be a genuine threat to Americas passage rights and strategic positions in the region, which as you will recall is America #1 objective in the M.E.
The US will seek to control the M.E. so long as oil powers the world. Control of this resource is a major plank in the USA’s super power status.
I don’t think there is a better ally in this ambition to control the gulf than Israel. Israel is a western enclave in the region, is a regional pariah completely dependent on the US for weapons and coverage from UN sanctions and proven ability to kick arab ass. Who would be better?
If you view everything in the M.E. through a Sunni/Shiia/Oil lens all becomes clearer.
The US state dept has called Saudi and the description can be extended to the region [**“a stupendous source of strategic power, and one of the greatest material prizes in world history.”**](http://revcom.us/a/090/iran-pt2-en.html)
[Zbigniew Brzezinski](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski) former United States National Security Advisor said America’s control over the Middle East [**”gives America indirect but politically critical leverage on the European and Asian economies that are also dependent on energy exports from the region.”**](http://www.idsa.in/idsastrategiccomments/GlobalOilPoliticsandtheEnergySecurityintheAsianregion_JNandakumar_110405) . [George Kennan](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_F._Kennan) put is as “Veto power”. Truman’s Secretary of Defense James Forrestal noted that [**“whoever sits on the valve of Middle East oil may control the destiny of Europe”**](http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/section?content=a916768279&fulltext=713240928) and now Asia.
Control the M.E and you have your foot on the windpipe of the European and Asian economies. Relinquishing that control is unthinkable. Relinquishing control to an Iranian shiia block /China/ Russia is doubly unthinkable. All other potential rivals have to figure Americas control of the oil flow into their calculations. The USA controls the oil. If the USA decides, say China, will not be getting M.E. oil then it can stop the flow. China knows this, the USA knows this. Thus before things get violent China will have to back down. ( China used for example only )
BTW China is taking steps strengthen the sea route from the Gulf to China, [**the string of pearls naval ports**](
http://www.china-briefing.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/string-of-pearls1.jpg)
On the Petro$: The Shiia would not use the petro$. The use of the petro$ means that the US can print dollars to pay for price increases in oil. Industrialised countries without oil, such as Japan EU or China, have to export to the US in order to obtain dollars to exchange for Opec oil; for example, cars in the case of Japan. So America gets oil, services and goods (eg cars) in exchange for pieces of paper. Not only that but Opec’s excess dollars were then reinvested in the US and other industrialised countries, thus funding the US budget deficit and reducing US interest rates.
It would be a massive blow to lose the petrodollar. The value of the $ would plunge, the PetroEuro would rise. The Europeans would plunder US assets.
FYI [Here’s the Feds statement on the Petro$](https://www.newyorkfed.org/newsevents/news/research/2007/rp070103.html)
TL:DR if you look at any conflict in the M.E. look at the sides, Shiia and Sunni, I’ll find the US will back the Sunni as they have oil and use the Petro$
If Starmer supports the US’s and Israelis illegal war, then it’s time for him to go
Edit: Despite all the downvotes and braindead replies under this, Starmer’s speech pretty much proves exactly what I’ve been saying.
Amazing that the future absolved me within a matter of hours.
Difficult position because I have no ethical issues with the West ending the civilian bloodshed there, but Trump being a necessary collaborator in that is a real ick
America and israhell breaking international law and using military might to get what they want? Best we can do is call a meeting and write a strongly worded letter maybe even offer some land that isn’t ours etc appeasement always works.
I hope that people have electricity deals and aren’t on the verge of being charged sky high fees for it.
Funny thing,[ according to CNN](https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-attack-02-28-26-hnk-intl?post-id=cmm60wotj001m3b6pawhvknhc)
>The timing of the US and Israeli attack on Iran bears symbolic meaning in Judaism. Ahead of the upcoming Jewish holiday of Purim, worshippers read the specific portion from the Old Testament, known as Zachor.
Whod’athunkit that Trump was such a scholar of world religions eh? *How thoughtful of him to pick that date. Another funny thing*, CNN itself was just bought by one of the largest donors to the IDF! All very remarkable.