europe gets its oil and gas from Ukraine and not middle east?
Tobi_Nub on
Last time I checked cutting of big supplier of weapons to Russia is Iran, especially the drones, so hurting Iran is hurting Russia in a way which I support. You wanna attack directly Russia and start world war 3?
chinkalichaczapuri on
France is probably the biggest supplier to Ukraine now. I saw many graphics showing their support is relatively low but these are stats are pure german propaganda showing themselves as the biggest saviours and underestimating others especially France, UK and Poland.
Intelligent-Moose665 on
Or rather, using proper wording, Europe has a strong Russian “lobby” in particular topics. Examples: “Ukraine (un)support”, “clean gas energy” (gas is cleaner than nuclear! buy of course only from Russia), “Baltic nordstream oil pipeline is good for EU” (don’t mind the addiction from one provider and eastern europe strategic safety), “immigrants are good to EU” (dont mind 90% are males, uneducated with strong, antagonistic cultural differences). There you go!
danrokk on
I don’t think it’s about that. France and Britain are both inclined to get engaged when there is little to no risk of war hitting their territories. With Russia they don’t have this guarantee and on top of that, USA is not directly engaged in war with Russia, but just supporting Ukraine.
This actually tells me that it’s not about sense of its own interests, but instead it’s about sense of its own weakness.
Shel_Zahav on
Soviet Union could steal US nuclear bomb secrets, Iran could not. Now its country in Iranian development level, but has unknown number of actual working nukes it can use them as a scarecrow.
L9CUMRAG on
Oh look another misinformation post thats never getting removed
JasnahsFeet on
Except the only country in the Middle East that Europe is defending is Israel (mostly)
O-bese on
Iran can’t nuke eighter country that’s why
PartyMarek on
Did you (and that guy who originally posted it on twitter) purposefuly omit the fact that Britain and France sent military forces to the Middle East because they were attacked? Or do you just not know?
French naval base in UAE was hit by a Shahed drone and Iran or militias funded by Iran targeted a RAF base in Cyprus.
TheKrzysiek on
The wild idea of doing things that have a lower/no risk of your home country being attacked.
This is why USA gets involved in so many conflicts in last 100-ish years, they keep getting involved in countries that don’t have any chance of attacking their homeland.
Can not helping Ukraine mean more Russian aggression long term? Possibly
Would sending troops to fight Russians possibly escalate it further, causing more instant risk to other countries? A lot more likely
TorontoTom2008 on
Certain groups within Britain and France are influenced by outside lobby groups, as USA is.
Karol-A on
Which country has nukes? It’s extremely difficult to do anything against Russia because they have da bombs. It’s extremely important to do something against Iran because they don’t have da bombs yetÂ
DueAd9005 on
It mostly means that Russia has nukes and Iran doesn’t.
And that we rely on those Middle-Eastern countries for oil & gas.
lordbaysel on
Iran is not a danger to Europe not in 50 years, russia is, even now.
There are far fewer buisness opportunities between western Europe and Iran then whith russia. nobody cares about “buisness as usual” with Iran, but some care about that with russia.
You can check what’s happening with Spain if you think it’s something you can easily refuse.
Bonus points: There was an attack on british base, so no wonder they are reinforcing that.
CrownJM on
I think it’s more a case of proximity, it’s hard for countries in the middle east to retaliate against european countries whereas all of europe is in Russia’s hit range.
bannedByTencent on
Who tf is this loser and why should I care?
Djcreeper1011 on
Oil is more important for them than defending a east European country, duh
PleasantPersimmon798 on
You Poles border Russia, but France and Britain do not. I would expect some NATO troops to go on ‘vacation’ in Ukraine. Shame on them.
HuckleberryUpbeat518 on
Iran doesn’t have nukes (yet) and has practically no weapons that can reach France or the UK. The same is not true about Russia.
France and the UK don’t give a shit about Europe, they care about their own interests only.
s1me007 on
Russia has nukes. This is exactly why Iran can’t have nukes
James420May on
Airforces and navies need combat experience too. Easy way to get it without risking major war.
SaNDrO2J on
Why are we discussing literally some idiots posts ?
Vegetable_Ad_9687 on
First of all Europe is Ukraine’s biggest supporter and contributor. Without Europe’s support there would be no Ukraine.
Second, neither the UK or France have joined the US war on Iran. They are deploying the military to protect their assets. Unlike Poland they do have presence in that area.
Third no NATO member is involved in Russian war, US is a NATO member even if it is aggressor. Europe and Ukraine unfortunately need the US in some degree for now so a balanced stance is required.
nosajoda on
No kidding Britain defending Middle East but not its own backyard
elementfortyseven on
I wish to understand his reasoning behind that assessment.
there is imho a significant difference of quality between the situation in Iran and a direct engagement between NATO and Russia.
Substantial_Eye3343 on
There is absolutely no risk for us to send out soldiers to the middle east. It’s totally different with Ukraine.
TheNortalf on
I think the differece is the fact, that Rusia has nuclear weapons an Iran have not.
Desperate-Hour-5258 on
At first place, they defend their military assets, so the reasons for UK fighter jets and French aircraft carrier are mostly because of important French and British military bases.
For example there is one of the few british naval bases, that is suited to work with british Victoria class carriers plus the air base in Cyprus.
As well the oil/gas reason plus collonial relations which actually make some of these states much closer to Britain and France historically compared to Ukraine.
But at least for me, this time they are not doing it mainly to support the US and Israeli forces but rather support their assets just because of US Israeli actions…
I mean i even dont see any possible pluses for Trump even in regards to his approval rating… The rating will always be driven on first place by internal politica and economics and its shit there but for also the way Trump and Bibi communiate with the public is even bigger shit. Especially the stuff coming from Trump aides makes it look like : We are doing it because Israel said this will sort out the whole issue.
And for Israelis possible statelessnes in Iran is not an issue, and they are not including it in the plan at all. I mean as they said, they want to totally kill Irans abillity to attack and they wont accept another Ayatollah (aka will kill each new elected)
Because for USA to be successful in Iran, they would also need results in post Ayatollah Iran and its not even clear if anything will change, even if they kill all political and cleric subjects in the country.
Its also funny how Russia did absolutely nothing to help Iran, which makes the rumours about Russian Israeli info exchange on high level very plausible.
Iran is also the solely one big nation that ordered russian anti aircraft system, paid it and never received it…
And actually the only pure winner of this escalation beside Israel is Russian Gas and Petrol sector.
Glass-News-9184 on
It’s not that easy as Iran missiles fell on German, French, and British military bases. What’s more problematic is how Germany or Canada will now explain to Putin he cannot break international law. What Israel and USA are doing is a blatant violation of international law whatever one may think about Iran.
TheThoughtAssassin on
I’m all for supporting Ukraine, but this isn’t an apples to apples comparison.
Russia has nukes, Iran doesn’t.
Beneficial_Trick6672 on
But they are. Western pilots are fighting in wester aircrafts in Ukraine.
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europe gets its oil and gas from Ukraine and not middle east?
Last time I checked cutting of big supplier of weapons to Russia is Iran, especially the drones, so hurting Iran is hurting Russia in a way which I support. You wanna attack directly Russia and start world war 3?
France is probably the biggest supplier to Ukraine now. I saw many graphics showing their support is relatively low but these are stats are pure german propaganda showing themselves as the biggest saviours and underestimating others especially France, UK and Poland.
Or rather, using proper wording, Europe has a strong Russian “lobby” in particular topics. Examples: “Ukraine (un)support”, “clean gas energy” (gas is cleaner than nuclear! buy of course only from Russia), “Baltic nordstream oil pipeline is good for EU” (don’t mind the addiction from one provider and eastern europe strategic safety), “immigrants are good to EU” (dont mind 90% are males, uneducated with strong, antagonistic cultural differences). There you go!
I don’t think it’s about that. France and Britain are both inclined to get engaged when there is little to no risk of war hitting their territories. With Russia they don’t have this guarantee and on top of that, USA is not directly engaged in war with Russia, but just supporting Ukraine.
This actually tells me that it’s not about sense of its own interests, but instead it’s about sense of its own weakness.
Soviet Union could steal US nuclear bomb secrets, Iran could not. Now its country in Iranian development level, but has unknown number of actual working nukes it can use them as a scarecrow.
Oh look another misinformation post thats never getting removed
Except the only country in the Middle East that Europe is defending is Israel (mostly)
Iran can’t nuke eighter country that’s why
Did you (and that guy who originally posted it on twitter) purposefuly omit the fact that Britain and France sent military forces to the Middle East because they were attacked? Or do you just not know?
French naval base in UAE was hit by a Shahed drone and Iran or militias funded by Iran targeted a RAF base in Cyprus.
The wild idea of doing things that have a lower/no risk of your home country being attacked.
This is why USA gets involved in so many conflicts in last 100-ish years, they keep getting involved in countries that don’t have any chance of attacking their homeland.
Can not helping Ukraine mean more Russian aggression long term? Possibly
Would sending troops to fight Russians possibly escalate it further, causing more instant risk to other countries? A lot more likely
Certain groups within Britain and France are influenced by outside lobby groups, as USA is.
Which country has nukes? It’s extremely difficult to do anything against Russia because they have da bombs. It’s extremely important to do something against Iran because they don’t have da bombs yetÂ
It mostly means that Russia has nukes and Iran doesn’t.
And that we rely on those Middle-Eastern countries for oil & gas.
Iran is not a danger to Europe not in 50 years, russia is, even now.
There are far fewer buisness opportunities between western Europe and Iran then whith russia. nobody cares about “buisness as usual” with Iran, but some care about that with russia.
You can check what’s happening with Spain if you think it’s something you can easily refuse.
Bonus points: There was an attack on british base, so no wonder they are reinforcing that.
I think it’s more a case of proximity, it’s hard for countries in the middle east to retaliate against european countries whereas all of europe is in Russia’s hit range.
Who tf is this loser and why should I care?
Oil is more important for them than defending a east European country, duh
You Poles border Russia, but France and Britain do not. I would expect some NATO troops to go on ‘vacation’ in Ukraine. Shame on them.
Iran doesn’t have nukes (yet) and has practically no weapons that can reach France or the UK. The same is not true about Russia.
France and the UK don’t give a shit about Europe, they care about their own interests only.
Russia has nukes. This is exactly why Iran can’t have nukes
Airforces and navies need combat experience too. Easy way to get it without risking major war.
Why are we discussing literally some idiots posts ?
First of all Europe is Ukraine’s biggest supporter and contributor. Without Europe’s support there would be no Ukraine.
Second, neither the UK or France have joined the US war on Iran. They are deploying the military to protect their assets. Unlike Poland they do have presence in that area.
Third no NATO member is involved in Russian war, US is a NATO member even if it is aggressor. Europe and Ukraine unfortunately need the US in some degree for now so a balanced stance is required.
No kidding Britain defending Middle East but not its own backyard
I wish to understand his reasoning behind that assessment.
there is imho a significant difference of quality between the situation in Iran and a direct engagement between NATO and Russia.
There is absolutely no risk for us to send out soldiers to the middle east. It’s totally different with Ukraine.
I think the differece is the fact, that Rusia has nuclear weapons an Iran have not.
At first place, they defend their military assets, so the reasons for UK fighter jets and French aircraft carrier are mostly because of important French and British military bases.
For example there is one of the few british naval bases, that is suited to work with british Victoria class carriers plus the air base in Cyprus.
As well the oil/gas reason plus collonial relations which actually make some of these states much closer to Britain and France historically compared to Ukraine.
But at least for me, this time they are not doing it mainly to support the US and Israeli forces but rather support their assets just because of US Israeli actions…
I mean i even dont see any possible pluses for Trump even in regards to his approval rating… The rating will always be driven on first place by internal politica and economics and its shit there but for also the way Trump and Bibi communiate with the public is even bigger shit. Especially the stuff coming from Trump aides makes it look like : We are doing it because Israel said this will sort out the whole issue.
And for Israelis possible statelessnes in Iran is not an issue, and they are not including it in the plan at all. I mean as they said, they want to totally kill Irans abillity to attack and they wont accept another Ayatollah (aka will kill each new elected)
Because for USA to be successful in Iran, they would also need results in post Ayatollah Iran and its not even clear if anything will change, even if they kill all political and cleric subjects in the country.
Its also funny how Russia did absolutely nothing to help Iran, which makes the rumours about Russian Israeli info exchange on high level very plausible.
Iran is also the solely one big nation that ordered russian anti aircraft system, paid it and never received it…
And actually the only pure winner of this escalation beside Israel is Russian Gas and Petrol sector.
It’s not that easy as Iran missiles fell on German, French, and British military bases. What’s more problematic is how Germany or Canada will now explain to Putin he cannot break international law. What Israel and USA are doing is a blatant violation of international law whatever one may think about Iran.
I’m all for supporting Ukraine, but this isn’t an apples to apples comparison.
Russia has nukes, Iran doesn’t.
But they are. Western pilots are fighting in wester aircrafts in Ukraine.
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