Szkoda, że nie był taki wypyskowany jak policja pukała do bramki.
retneh on
Repostowanie Giertycha – nie wiem nawet w jakieś kategorii upośledzenia trzeba to umieścić
Anniechon on
I am not an expert with full knowledge of the matter. I am brave enough to remain silent.
vesparion on
Niestety bohaterom prawicy się to nie wpisuje w narrację więc muszą udawać że nie widzą lub że aktualnie polityka ich nie interesuje.
Suriael on
Snus is doing what the Pedo-rapist regime from USA tells him to do. Sabotaging Poland’s security by trying to ensure that money will go to USA. It’s really that simple. SAFE focuses on EUROPE and as such USA does not like it.
FlatwormImmediate231 on
Stop slandering the president. SAFE comes with bending to the EU’s whims whatever they may be at a given time. Certainly not the best for a country that wishes to maintain their sovereignty.
Nawrocki is working with the national bank of Poland. Now that’s a lender whose best interest is seeing Poland succeed and have their sovereignty maintained.
No EU bs about buying „EU” weapons. Countries in the „EU” have never exactly aligned with a vision that sees a sovereign Poland. You call that blocking for the sake of blocking. Very interesting take.
marcos_santino on
You mean Nawrocki? Yes, a half-assed idea that somehow was not on the table when we were buying from Korea – why? – is not covering the fact that he will block everything just for the sake of political gain for PiS.
Hurr durr, Germany bad, EU bad, Tusk bad, we so smart and patriotic.
Stucii on
Can somebody tldv eli5 whats the main goal of SAFE? I have to admit im rather uneducated in this regard
TheNortalf on
SAFE is good option for Poland, but EU did played dirty with KPO money and from PiS perspective it is reasonable to refuse the money because of that.
And saying played dirty, I mean they blocked money until judicial system will be reformed, that’s ok, but they unlock the money not when the system was reformed. They unlocked money before, they have unlocked it when the government was changed. That’s not how it supposed to work.
przypomne tylko ze ci sami ktorzy narzekali ze kupujemy złoto i mamy rekordowy zapas , teraz narzekaja ze chcemy za nie kupic uzbrojenie . . .
Lagoon_M8 on
Why did we remain with liberum veto in our system knowing it was destroying Poland in the past?
Unlucky_Anteater7573 on
It feels like you consume too much propaganda. We don’t need any loans
szybenik555 on
We dont know if we can pay that korean deal like that, maybe loan was part of the deal
kubaqzn on
In the end there will be neither European or Polish SAFE.
There are no things Polish politicians aren’t able to dumb down to domestic party fight. And that’s how the Poland will die.
Rift3N on
I’m old enough to remember how less than a year ago not only was nobody from PiS saying a word about “warunkowość” or “niemcy niemcy niemcy” but actually many were worried that the government would miss this “[opportunity](https://imgur.com/a/TTm99qC)” to modernize our armed forces.
Then basically overnight the lever was pulled to the other end and now SAFE is the antichrist and bearer of the apocalypse, a financial holocaust brought upon us by Berlin.
WirtualnaLain on
What a sheep
ventingpurposes on
It’s a “plan” that is either unconstitutional, or more expensive than SAFE program. Not to mention that it’s an obvious attempt to distance Poland from EU and bring us under USA’s influence.
IllTutor8015 on
Whoever thinks that knows what this program exactly means and who directly will be the beneficiary of those funds ie which companies and manufacturers, should go all in and buy up the shares of those companies and related. That’s the main difference between the talk or doing the walk. But so far this is only an emotional rollercoaster without any precise detail at all. So it’s really laughable when both sides claim anything at all while even the original SAFE program is so vague it can be interpreted in the most corrupt way.
I’m ready to vote for anyone who promises to strip the president of his power. Power split between the President and Prime Minister sounds good on paper, in practice we have either total subservience to the government (Duda with PiS) or open trolling at the cost of the country (Nawrocki with KO). He’s even sabotaging formalities, like signing off on general nominations. Things that were once a courtesy are now target of bickering and ego trips.
6 months before the presidential campaign nobody knew nothing about Nawrocki, he was just another friend of the party who got a cushy job at IPN for his party affiliations. Now he’s somehow able to ruin the country economically and in the matters of defense, just because he wants to feel more important than Tusk.
cookiesnooper on
Koń by się uśmiał. Aż dziwne, że nie zemdlał jak to pisał.
hey_Hey_I_saveD_me on
Tusk should just say “we accept it, but only 10% of the money will go into purchase of non-EU equipment” and see how pis american apologists squirm.
We all well know that this is only about appeasing Americans.
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Same what je ALWAYS does Pinky…
Szkoda, że nie był taki wypyskowany jak policja pukała do bramki.
Repostowanie Giertycha – nie wiem nawet w jakieś kategorii upośledzenia trzeba to umieścić
I am not an expert with full knowledge of the matter. I am brave enough to remain silent.
Niestety bohaterom prawicy się to nie wpisuje w narrację więc muszą udawać że nie widzą lub że aktualnie polityka ich nie interesuje.
Snus is doing what the Pedo-rapist regime from USA tells him to do. Sabotaging Poland’s security by trying to ensure that money will go to USA. It’s really that simple. SAFE focuses on EUROPE and as such USA does not like it.
Stop slandering the president. SAFE comes with bending to the EU’s whims whatever they may be at a given time. Certainly not the best for a country that wishes to maintain their sovereignty.
Nawrocki is working with the national bank of Poland. Now that’s a lender whose best interest is seeing Poland succeed and have their sovereignty maintained.
No EU bs about buying „EU” weapons. Countries in the „EU” have never exactly aligned with a vision that sees a sovereign Poland. You call that blocking for the sake of blocking. Very interesting take.
You mean Nawrocki? Yes, a half-assed idea that somehow was not on the table when we were buying from Korea – why? – is not covering the fact that he will block everything just for the sake of political gain for PiS.
Hurr durr, Germany bad, EU bad, Tusk bad, we so smart and patriotic.
Can somebody tldv eli5 whats the main goal of SAFE? I have to admit im rather uneducated in this regard
SAFE is good option for Poland, but EU did played dirty with KPO money and from PiS perspective it is reasonable to refuse the money because of that.
And saying played dirty, I mean they blocked money until judicial system will be reformed, that’s ok, but they unlock the money not when the system was reformed. They unlocked money before, they have unlocked it when the government was changed. That’s not how it supposed to work.
https://preview.redd.it/um8q71qc67ng1.jpeg?width=1314&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1c06cb03167247cd2fe2a86b15ddebc9bf2cc52
przypomne tylko ze ci sami ktorzy narzekali ze kupujemy złoto i mamy rekordowy zapas , teraz narzekaja ze chcemy za nie kupic uzbrojenie . . .
Why did we remain with liberum veto in our system knowing it was destroying Poland in the past?
It feels like you consume too much propaganda. We don’t need any loans
We dont know if we can pay that korean deal like that, maybe loan was part of the deal
In the end there will be neither European or Polish SAFE.
There are no things Polish politicians aren’t able to dumb down to domestic party fight. And that’s how the Poland will die.
I’m old enough to remember how less than a year ago not only was nobody from PiS saying a word about “warunkowość” or “niemcy niemcy niemcy” but actually many were worried that the government would miss this “[opportunity](https://imgur.com/a/TTm99qC)” to modernize our armed forces.
Then basically overnight the lever was pulled to the other end and now SAFE is the antichrist and bearer of the apocalypse, a financial holocaust brought upon us by Berlin.
What a sheep
It’s a “plan” that is either unconstitutional, or more expensive than SAFE program. Not to mention that it’s an obvious attempt to distance Poland from EU and bring us under USA’s influence.
Whoever thinks that knows what this program exactly means and who directly will be the beneficiary of those funds ie which companies and manufacturers, should go all in and buy up the shares of those companies and related. That’s the main difference between the talk or doing the walk. But so far this is only an emotional rollercoaster without any precise detail at all. So it’s really laughable when both sides claim anything at all while even the original SAFE program is so vague it can be interpreted in the most corrupt way.
https://www.tysol.pl/a154663-w-ramach-safe-dostaniemy-sprzet-z-demobilu-gen-wronski-nigdzie-nie-wyartykulowano-ze-bedzie-nowy
I’m ready to vote for anyone who promises to strip the president of his power. Power split between the President and Prime Minister sounds good on paper, in practice we have either total subservience to the government (Duda with PiS) or open trolling at the cost of the country (Nawrocki with KO). He’s even sabotaging formalities, like signing off on general nominations. Things that were once a courtesy are now target of bickering and ego trips.
6 months before the presidential campaign nobody knew nothing about Nawrocki, he was just another friend of the party who got a cushy job at IPN for his party affiliations. Now he’s somehow able to ruin the country economically and in the matters of defense, just because he wants to feel more important than Tusk.
Koń by się uśmiał. Aż dziwne, że nie zemdlał jak to pisał.
Tusk should just say “we accept it, but only 10% of the money will go into purchase of non-EU equipment” and see how pis american apologists squirm.
We all well know that this is only about appeasing Americans.