In order to help train its AI models, Meta (and others) have been using pirated versions of copyrighted books, without the consent of authors or publishers. The company behind Facebook and Instagram faces an ongoing class-action lawsuit brought by authors including Richard Kadrey, Sarah Silverman, and Christopher Golden, and one in which it has already scored a major (and surprising) victory: The Californian court concluded last year that using pirated books to train its Llama LLM did qualify as fair use.
nemojakonemoras on
The theft of the century, and no one cares.
AtraxaInfect on
Pirating for personal use 😡
Pirating to resell the content to users 🤗
Piltonbadger on
So pirating things is fine now? Sweet.
beti88 on
Rules for thee, not for me
UrbanMasque on
Cool.. as long as I can do it too then kanyeShrug.gif
Nimble_Natu177 on
In that case, downloading ROMs is fair game.
Skeeterdrums on
Everything looks like fair use when you’re training AI models.
in1gom0ntoya on
guess using pirated books and media to train ourselves is fair use too…
Ok-Charge-6998 on
Now now guys, hear me out. Let them cook. We might end up with copyright laws that aren’t fucking ridiculous.
Guilty-Mix-7629 on
“But if YOU do it, we will sue your family into oblivion and ruin your life!”
NimusNix on
If they didn’t pay for a copy, it’s theft.
If they paid for a single copy, personally for me that’s a gray area.
Should have worked out a deal with the publisher and author for use as training data, that would be the best solution.
comradesorrow on
Yeah. Let book writers thrive. Imagine saying that about movies.
GenazaNL on
Time to pirate all books, music & movies, apparently it’s legal when you use it for AI
ColdFreezer on
You guys don’t get it. It’s morally acceptable if you have a lot of money. It’s only evil when you don’t.
If you can afford the punishment then it’s just an expense.
in9ram on
They should not own the ai if what makes it is stolen from other people.
SackFace on
You wouldn’t steal a library, would you?
mizezslo on
Something will get them, eventually. Nearly happened with Cambridge Analytica and the 30 year FTC consent decree that I’m sure MAGA isn’t enforcing fully. You can’t be this nasty on so many fronts and get away with it forever.
splendiferous-finch_ on
If I register a LLC with my name and appoint myself as CEO does that make me above the law???? Sweet…
__redruM on
Assuming they paid for the books, maybe, but they didn’t.
goronmask on
Never forget Aaron Swartz
MouseJiggler on
“Intellectual property” is a scam.
ComfortableBuyer2902 on
They are walking where Google tried to walk a few years back.
Testing the waters of the digital millennium copyright act.
persononfire on
“I know buying and selling hard drugs is illegal, but it’s okay because I’m just using it to train AI.”
MisterReigns on
In a world where the corporations took everything from you only to force you to pay for various services to get the media you want along with commercials, I say AHOY! 🏴☠️
Ferrocile on
Aka we’ve been pirating all the books and it would be really annoying to have to pay for it…
diegoeripley on
I think that Picard image perfectly captures how a significant amount of people feel about that argument being used. I don’t think Meta will win.
Riversntallbuildings on
I’m hoping that Donald Trumps hatred of Jeff Bezos makes him expand the digital library system in the U.S. nationally. There is zero reason that we can’t provide access to books older than 7 years old for everyone.
Shen_ishere on
If they win doed it make piracy legal
WarpmanAstro on
Huh. Where’d those authors who tried to burn down The Internet Archive go to? Surely *they* would be very mad and rally all the major book publishers together again to put a stop to this, right?
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From the article:
In order to help train its AI models, Meta (and others) have been using pirated versions of copyrighted books, without the consent of authors or publishers. The company behind Facebook and Instagram faces an ongoing class-action lawsuit brought by authors including Richard Kadrey, Sarah Silverman, and Christopher Golden, and one in which it has already scored a major (and surprising) victory: The Californian court concluded last year that using pirated books to train its Llama LLM did qualify as fair use.
The theft of the century, and no one cares.
Pirating for personal use 😡
Pirating to resell the content to users 🤗
So pirating things is fine now? Sweet.
Rules for thee, not for me
Cool.. as long as I can do it too then kanyeShrug.gif
In that case, downloading ROMs is fair game.
Everything looks like fair use when you’re training AI models.
guess using pirated books and media to train ourselves is fair use too…
Now now guys, hear me out. Let them cook. We might end up with copyright laws that aren’t fucking ridiculous.
“But if YOU do it, we will sue your family into oblivion and ruin your life!”
If they didn’t pay for a copy, it’s theft.
If they paid for a single copy, personally for me that’s a gray area.
Should have worked out a deal with the publisher and author for use as training data, that would be the best solution.
Yeah. Let book writers thrive. Imagine saying that about movies.
Time to pirate all books, music & movies, apparently it’s legal when you use it for AI
You guys don’t get it. It’s morally acceptable if you have a lot of money. It’s only evil when you don’t.
If you can afford the punishment then it’s just an expense.
They should not own the ai if what makes it is stolen from other people.
You wouldn’t steal a library, would you?
Something will get them, eventually. Nearly happened with Cambridge Analytica and the 30 year FTC consent decree that I’m sure MAGA isn’t enforcing fully. You can’t be this nasty on so many fronts and get away with it forever.
If I register a LLC with my name and appoint myself as CEO does that make me above the law???? Sweet…
Assuming they paid for the books, maybe, but they didn’t.
Never forget Aaron Swartz
“Intellectual property” is a scam.
They are walking where Google tried to walk a few years back.
Testing the waters of the digital millennium copyright act.
“I know buying and selling hard drugs is illegal, but it’s okay because I’m just using it to train AI.”
In a world where the corporations took everything from you only to force you to pay for various services to get the media you want along with commercials, I say AHOY! 🏴☠️
Aka we’ve been pirating all the books and it would be really annoying to have to pay for it…
I think that Picard image perfectly captures how a significant amount of people feel about that argument being used. I don’t think Meta will win.
I’m hoping that Donald Trumps hatred of Jeff Bezos makes him expand the digital library system in the U.S. nationally. There is zero reason that we can’t provide access to books older than 7 years old for everyone.
If they win doed it make piracy legal
Huh. Where’d those authors who tried to burn down The Internet Archive go to? Surely *they* would be very mad and rally all the major book publishers together again to put a stop to this, right?