So we are seeing drone swarms before Ukrainian assaults leading to territory changes. Is this just a matter of time until the Russians adapt and do the same thing? Are we getting to a point where drones are the air support? And if so what is next?
So we are seeing drone swarms before Ukrainian assaults leading to territory changes. Is this just a matter of time until the Russians adapt and do the same thing? Are we getting to a point where drones are the air support? And if so what is next?
Russian Adapting, yes, this might take a little longer because their communication system has been stripped from them internally and externally and it is very hard for them to fix that and that is an important part of coordinating the drone swarms.
It is also starting to look like drones are not going to replace air dominance, air support, but it will supplement it. It’s another layer just like how during World War I, aircraft became a new area that you had to worry about. We’re just seeing another one.
StrongOldDude on
Yes, that is how long wars go. But hopefully Russia collapses before then.
maverick_labs_ca on
We now know that Russia is trying to build a new 100k strong drone force instead of recruiting meat. So the answer is probably yes.
12coldest on
A drone taking out air units is what is next. If Ukraine can do that and deep behind enemy lines, it would take the launch platform for FABs away and also perhaps some missile attacks. Attack helicopters would also be less than useful. Sometime soon, I would bet. A DronePAD perhaps. The biggest issue is the weight of the units required and the need for deep penetration as well as multiple units to attack as there is chaff and other anti-air to air defense mechanisms.
Sargent_Duck85 on
Ukraine has been hitting Russia’s drone production plants and semi-conducting manufacturing plants.
Russia may adapt, but it will be much more challenging for Russia.
So in the meantime, they will likely continue till use meat wave assaults to bridge the gap.
Snakebird11 on
What’s next is russia half-assing an evolution of warfare and getting their next 250,000 recruits filleted like trout in a barren, rubble-filled wasteland of their own creation, because the stupid sons of bitches didn’t value anyone’s lives, including their own.
Texas_Sam2002 on
Not that the legacy media pays attention, and I certainly don’t trust CBS anymore, but anyone who is paying attention can see that the Ukrainians are focusing on degrading Russian air defenses and the last few days with the swarm of Ukrainian drones around Moscow (many of which were likely decoys) was an effort to gauge the effectiveness or Ukraine’s strategy.
amitym on
>**Are we getting to a point where drones are the air support?**
Tbf drones have been the air support since the turn of the century. Anyone who’s just hearing about it now might want to do a bit of catching up.
>**Is this just a matter of time until the Russians adapt and do the same thing?**
More like a matter of resources. Russia’s ability to stage drones way ahead of their lines has recently degraded a lot. Russia can manufacture all the drones they want but until they resolve this loss of capability Ukraine is going to retain a drone advantage over them and probably use it to press on into the Donbas.
>**And if so what is next?**
What’s next is continued developments in electronic warfare, continued heavy Russian losses, and massive “political front” warfare in allied countries to try to cut off support for Ukraine.
Ultimately, I believe that a new generation of anti-drone weapons will emerge that will make the present generation of rapid improvised drone development seem like a fun but quaint little interlude. These systems will be designed to matter-of-factly shoot down unknown drones immediately on detection, and will become standard squad or platoon equipment. And they will put the entire class of low-cost improvised explosive drones pretty much out of business.
SpaceAdventureCobraX on
What’s next. Blow the dust off your Terminator 2 VHS and have a watch
OrganicBasis8223 on
I have seen comments and a video of a larger drone with a laser that can sever fiber optic lines and knock out guidance. Is that happening?
Elektrycerz on
Imagine platoon-level birdshot CIWS in 10 years. On four legs. Wouldn’t that be something.
TheSolarExpansionist on
It is an infantry war so yeah. Unless Russia uses jukes it has a stalemate
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Russian Adapting, yes, this might take a little longer because their communication system has been stripped from them internally and externally and it is very hard for them to fix that and that is an important part of coordinating the drone swarms.
It is also starting to look like drones are not going to replace air dominance, air support, but it will supplement it. It’s another layer just like how during World War I, aircraft became a new area that you had to worry about. We’re just seeing another one.
Yes, that is how long wars go. But hopefully Russia collapses before then.
We now know that Russia is trying to build a new 100k strong drone force instead of recruiting meat. So the answer is probably yes.
A drone taking out air units is what is next. If Ukraine can do that and deep behind enemy lines, it would take the launch platform for FABs away and also perhaps some missile attacks. Attack helicopters would also be less than useful. Sometime soon, I would bet. A DronePAD perhaps. The biggest issue is the weight of the units required and the need for deep penetration as well as multiple units to attack as there is chaff and other anti-air to air defense mechanisms.
Ukraine has been hitting Russia’s drone production plants and semi-conducting manufacturing plants.
Russia may adapt, but it will be much more challenging for Russia.
So in the meantime, they will likely continue till use meat wave assaults to bridge the gap.
What’s next is russia half-assing an evolution of warfare and getting their next 250,000 recruits filleted like trout in a barren, rubble-filled wasteland of their own creation, because the stupid sons of bitches didn’t value anyone’s lives, including their own.
Not that the legacy media pays attention, and I certainly don’t trust CBS anymore, but anyone who is paying attention can see that the Ukrainians are focusing on degrading Russian air defenses and the last few days with the swarm of Ukrainian drones around Moscow (many of which were likely decoys) was an effort to gauge the effectiveness or Ukraine’s strategy.
>**Are we getting to a point where drones are the air support?**
Tbf drones have been the air support since the turn of the century. Anyone who’s just hearing about it now might want to do a bit of catching up.
>**Is this just a matter of time until the Russians adapt and do the same thing?**
More like a matter of resources. Russia’s ability to stage drones way ahead of their lines has recently degraded a lot. Russia can manufacture all the drones they want but until they resolve this loss of capability Ukraine is going to retain a drone advantage over them and probably use it to press on into the Donbas.
>**And if so what is next?**
What’s next is continued developments in electronic warfare, continued heavy Russian losses, and massive “political front” warfare in allied countries to try to cut off support for Ukraine.
Ultimately, I believe that a new generation of anti-drone weapons will emerge that will make the present generation of rapid improvised drone development seem like a fun but quaint little interlude. These systems will be designed to matter-of-factly shoot down unknown drones immediately on detection, and will become standard squad or platoon equipment. And they will put the entire class of low-cost improvised explosive drones pretty much out of business.
What’s next. Blow the dust off your Terminator 2 VHS and have a watch
I have seen comments and a video of a larger drone with a laser that can sever fiber optic lines and knock out guidance. Is that happening?
Imagine platoon-level birdshot CIWS in 10 years. On four legs. Wouldn’t that be something.
It is an infantry war so yeah. Unless Russia uses jukes it has a stalemate