Germany rejected a U.S. demand for military support to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz, after President Trump warned that it would be [bad for NATO](https://www.ft.com/content/1ca6d121-760b-4ec5-b6ad-514fdaa94873) if American allies did not do more to help.“This is not our war; we did not start it,” Boris Pistorius, the German defense minister, said at a news conference in Berlin on Monday. “We want diplomatic solutions and a swift end to the conflict, but sending more warships to the region will likely not help achieve that,” he said.
“What does Donald Trump expect from, say, a handful or two of European frigates in the Strait of Hormuz?” he added. “He needs them to achieve what the mighty US Navy cannot manage on its own there, is that it? That’s the question I’m asking myself.”
Big_Baker_2777 on
And they didn’t ask politely….
eucariota92 on
The Americans and the Israelis cooked the stew. Now they have to eat it
morbihann on
Good.
solomo on
Wait until the Israeli lobby finds out
CreeperCooper on
You do not have the cards, mr. President!
Trump hasn’t even said thank you yet!
Rosu_Aprins on
Should’ve said thank you and worn a suit if he wanted help
StrangerConscious637 on
The orange fascists monkey in the white house started it. He should finish it now and then finish himself.
soPe86 on
Germany and eu finally found lost spine and not going to war that USA started. PM of Spain and now Germany. I’m now a little more proud of independent baby steps of EU 🇪🇺
👍🏻
🇭🇷
DefInnit on
Upset Trump moves all US bases in Europe to Israel. Oh no! Anyway…
Samurai_GorohGX on
Trump just needs our help to minimise the number of US casualties… by having our soldiers dying instead.
Won’t anyone think of the midterms?/s
Hopeful_Sun_ on
the EU should not be involved in any war! we suffered enough during the world wars, thanks
Any_Table9811 on
I don’t get how Trump can first basically demolish the trust in Nato then demand Nato help after he starts a war.
An_Almond_Thief on
Took longer than most thought, but Trump is finally being punished for his hubris. Turns out your allies will remember when you apply economical sanctions and restrict military aid. They will repay you in kind.
Raphael1987 on
Good. Same take as rest of the world has regarding other wars.
astral34 on
Germany, UK, Italy, France and Spain all confirmed as a no to Trump’s request, any other country with apare capabilities ?
I guess the Netherlands will also confirm a no before or after the bilateral with Germany
E: Also Greece confirmed they won’t participate
jtthom on
Article 5 only applies when a nato member is attacked. Not even sure Trump et al even know what NATO is.
v_for_vegetta on
Nato is defensive alliance. not offensive. also why they want help? they said they won already
Didudidudadu737 on
Why didn’t the Trump call on Board of Peace, after all he already won and wants peace?
Affectionate_Cut3044 on
Trump Leck Eier!
SapporoBiru on
Honestly if this wasn’t about people’s lifes and didn’t affect the entire world, I’d just have an enormous amount of schadenfreude. I don’t know how many times even here on Reddit I’ve seen Americans jerk themselves about how almighty their military is and how every opponent would just fold under their power. Well looks like your orange idiot and his band of imbeciles shows that that’s not really the case. So yeah, great response from Pistorius, let them try to finish this war that they started.
Econ_Orc on
Denmark is also “waiting”
Besides the obvious reason our navy is busy defending Greenland there is also an election for parliament going on.
A majority suppurt for military involvement in a foreign nation is difficult to imagine in a time when one deciding vote can shift who rules the next for years.
Sorry Trump. We have to find all those Chinese and Russian warships around Greenland first. Protecting native soil (ice) is more important.
Glass-Ad-333 on
NATO is a defensive pact, not an offensive one.
elderrion on
I love seeing the MAGAs freak out over our denial. Their stupid little brains don’t understand that antagonising the rest of the world has consequences, and that America relied on Europe _a lot_ more than they were willing to admit.
MAGAs: “He WaS JuSt TrOlLiNg!”
Europe: “Damn, bro… That’s crazy”
US: “We Really need minesweepers!”
Europe: “Yeah, I bet. Good luck, though! 👍”
P.s.: The US long used NATO to get other armies to specialise in aspects of war best suited for their capabilities. In the case of Hormuz, the Belgian and Dutch navies are the two premiere minesweepers in the alliance. They were, in fact, so capable that the US has systematically stripped itself of minesweepers, including the four minesweepers of the ME fleet the US dismantled in 2025, because the BeNeSam just had it covered. Now, the US has to do it themselves, and, guess what? They can’t.
Herr_Demurone on
I fucking never thought I’d say Boris Pistorius is a freaking baller right now, WOW!
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Germany rejected a U.S. demand for military support to help reopen the Strait of Hormuz, after President Trump warned that it would be [bad for NATO](https://www.ft.com/content/1ca6d121-760b-4ec5-b6ad-514fdaa94873) if American allies did not do more to help.“This is not our war; we did not start it,” Boris Pistorius, the German defense minister, said at a news conference in Berlin on Monday. “We want diplomatic solutions and a swift end to the conflict, but sending more warships to the region will likely not help achieve that,” he said.
“What does Donald Trump expect from, say, a handful or two of European frigates in the Strait of Hormuz?” he added. “He needs them to achieve what the mighty US Navy cannot manage on its own there, is that it? That’s the question I’m asking myself.”
And they didn’t ask politely….
The Americans and the Israelis cooked the stew. Now they have to eat it
Good.
Wait until the Israeli lobby finds out
You do not have the cards, mr. President!
Trump hasn’t even said thank you yet!
Should’ve said thank you and worn a suit if he wanted help
The orange fascists monkey in the white house started it. He should finish it now and then finish himself.
Germany and eu finally found lost spine and not going to war that USA started. PM of Spain and now Germany. I’m now a little more proud of independent baby steps of EU 🇪🇺
👍🏻
🇭🇷
Upset Trump moves all US bases in Europe to Israel. Oh no! Anyway…
Trump just needs our help to minimise the number of US casualties… by having our soldiers dying instead.
Won’t anyone think of the midterms?/s
the EU should not be involved in any war! we suffered enough during the world wars, thanks
I don’t get how Trump can first basically demolish the trust in Nato then demand Nato help after he starts a war.
Took longer than most thought, but Trump is finally being punished for his hubris. Turns out your allies will remember when you apply economical sanctions and restrict military aid. They will repay you in kind.
Good. Same take as rest of the world has regarding other wars.
Germany, UK, Italy, France and Spain all confirmed as a no to Trump’s request, any other country with apare capabilities ?
I guess the Netherlands will also confirm a no before or after the bilateral with Germany
E: Also Greece confirmed they won’t participate
Article 5 only applies when a nato member is attacked. Not even sure Trump et al even know what NATO is.
Nato is defensive alliance. not offensive. also why they want help? they said they won already
Why didn’t the Trump call on Board of Peace, after all he already won and wants peace?
Trump Leck Eier!
Honestly if this wasn’t about people’s lifes and didn’t affect the entire world, I’d just have an enormous amount of schadenfreude. I don’t know how many times even here on Reddit I’ve seen Americans jerk themselves about how almighty their military is and how every opponent would just fold under their power. Well looks like your orange idiot and his band of imbeciles shows that that’s not really the case. So yeah, great response from Pistorius, let them try to finish this war that they started.
Denmark is also “waiting”
Besides the obvious reason our navy is busy defending Greenland there is also an election for parliament going on.
A majority suppurt for military involvement in a foreign nation is difficult to imagine in a time when one deciding vote can shift who rules the next for years.
Sorry Trump. We have to find all those Chinese and Russian warships around Greenland first. Protecting native soil (ice) is more important.
NATO is a defensive pact, not an offensive one.
I love seeing the MAGAs freak out over our denial. Their stupid little brains don’t understand that antagonising the rest of the world has consequences, and that America relied on Europe _a lot_ more than they were willing to admit.
MAGAs: “He WaS JuSt TrOlLiNg!”
Europe: “Damn, bro… That’s crazy”
US: “We Really need minesweepers!”
Europe: “Yeah, I bet. Good luck, though! 👍”
P.s.: The US long used NATO to get other armies to specialise in aspects of war best suited for their capabilities. In the case of Hormuz, the Belgian and Dutch navies are the two premiere minesweepers in the alliance. They were, in fact, so capable that the US has systematically stripped itself of minesweepers, including the four minesweepers of the ME fleet the US dismantled in 2025, because the BeNeSam just had it covered. Now, the US has to do it themselves, and, guess what? They can’t.
I fucking never thought I’d say Boris Pistorius is a freaking baller right now, WOW!