Not surprised to be perfectly honest, I don’t really see why they’re voting against it, but here we are I suppose.
Party-Dig2309 on
Fucking unbelievable.
People will continue to suffer until they die of their illness/driven to DIY suicide or else can afford and have the capacity to somehow get to Switzerland for a peaceful death instead.
If you were one of the idiots on social media claiming this bill was designed to ‘murder’ the disabled people then go fuck yourself for twisting this bill and trapping terminally ill people in a state of unbearable suffering.
Darrenb209 on
57 backed it, 69 voted against and there was one abstention.
Decisive. Considering how many swapped I have to wonder if there was something blatantly wrong with the final version.
Sky_Ninja1997 on
People rather watch their loved ones rot away painfully, good to know
ByteSizedGenius on
It’s impressive that people could be so concerned about safeguards while they casually allow with minimal qualms tens of thousands every year to have undignified, painful and unfair deaths.
SuspiciousAnt2508 on
It was a terrible bill. A bill probably does exist that gets it right but it isn’t that one. Given how many MSPs changed their view, it looks as if they realised this.
It would also help if palliative care was funded first and not left to charitable donations.
it00 on
People will continue suffering for the sake of a load of BS and ‘what ifs’ that have never happened in any other jurisdiction with virtually identical legislation.
And since when did some politicians have a conscience anyway?
mashed666 on
The way we treat humans that are about to die is diabolical…. No compassion just suffering everyday until most of us just choke to death on our own saliva…
existentialgoof on
This is a truly disgraceful act of cowardice from our political establishment, here in Scotland.
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Party-Dig2309 on
I don’t understand what the damn problem is if the bill is literally for people with a terminal illness anyway?
thesnootbooper9000 on
I hope none of them ever have to witness a loved one going through the kind of slow, messy, and inevitable death that makes this bill necessary. However, maybe a few of them could at least go and witness it happening to someone they don’t know so they could maybe begin to understand.
Chlorophilia on
And so we continue to treat our pets with more dignity than our parents. Great job guys, very cool.
boringfantasy on
Can’t wait to be terrminally ill and have to enjoy a final few months of needless suffering cause of this
Better_Concert1106 on
Fucking ridiculous and cowardly decision. We give dogs a more dignified death for fuck sake than what we force some people to go through against their will.
To be blunt the disabled argument is utter bollocks. People, especially idiots on social media, talk about it like there will be death squads going round murdering disabled people. It’s ridiculous. Humza Yousaf was talking about even one disabled person being too many to give rights to a “few”. It’s hardly a few who have to go through undignified, painful and untimely deaths.
Absolute spineless bottle jobs. People who can afford Switzerland will still do it, while others who can’t have to continue to suffer. What a wasted opportunity.
Signal_Neck9314 on
Cowards that are choosing to let nature take its course with the vulnerable and terminally ill. A shameful missed opportunity.
thebrowncanary on
It’s not going to pass in Westminster either. The bills proponents have destroyed any chance of that
Choccokels on
Someone who is not for the bill… please can you explain why?
douggieball1312 on
Never understood why we euthanise terminally ill animals because it’s ‘the kindest thing to do’ but we can’t do the same with fully consenting adult humans in the same position.
Green_Twist4983 on
Great news! We all know they will abuse the system so it’s right that this hasn’t passed.
ArcherVisible5866 on
Such a great result. Doctors are here to keep people alive not to carry the burden of murdering you.
Parkatine on
So I expect massive funding for pallative care tomorrow then right? How about those people who voted against the bill make an example and donate their salaries to palative care funds?
TS040 on
we allow our pets to pass away peacefully and with dignity if faced with terminal illness so I’m confused why we can’t extend that same grace to human beings
ridiculous.
DMoss67 on
MSPs who voted against the bill:
Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)
Allan, Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Balfour, Jeremy (Lothian) (Ind)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Choudhury, Foysol (Lothian) (Ind)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Dowey, Sharon (South Scotland) (Con)
Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Ind)
Eagle, Tim (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Ewing, Annabelle (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (Ind)
Findlay, Russell (West Scotland) (Con)
Forbes, Kate (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Gallacher, Meghan (Central Scotland) (Con)
Golden, Maurice (North East Scotland) (Con)
Gosal, Pam (West Scotland) (Con)
Gougeon, Mairi (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Halcro Johnston, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Haughey, Clare (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hoy, Craig (South Scotland) (Con)
Johnson, Daniel (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab)
Kerr, Stephen (Central Scotland) (Con)
Leonard, Richard (Central Scotland) (Lab)
MacGregor, Fulton (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP)
Maguire, Ruth (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Marra, Michael (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
McAllan, Màiri (Clydesdale) (SNP)
McCall, Roz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
McMillan, Stuart (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP)
McNair, Marie (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
McNeill, Pauline (Glasgow) (Lab)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Mundell, Oliver (Dumfriesshire) (Con)
Nicoll, Audrey (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
O’Kane, Paul (West Scotland) (Lab)
Regan, Ash (Edinburgh Eastern) (Ind)
Roddick, Emma (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Rowley, Alex (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Russell, Davy (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (Lab)
Sarwar, Anas (Glasgow) (Lab)
Simpson, Graham (Central Scotland) (Reform)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stevenson, Collette (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Stewart, Alexander (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Sturgeon, Nicola (Glasgow Southside) (SNP)
Sweeney, Paul (Glasgow) (Lab)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Villalba, Mercedes (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Webber, Sue (Lothian) (Con)
Wells, Annie (Glasgow) (Con)
White, Tess (North East Scotland) (Con)
Whitfield, Martin (South Scotland) (Lab)
Whittle, Brian (South Scotland) (Con)
Wishart, Beatrice (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow Pollok) (SNP)
It’s incredibly sad because there absolutely needs to be some agency for people who are in chronic pain/terminally ill and want some control over when and how they go.
With this being said, the reason it didn’t pass in England and what I imagine the reason was for Scotland is the complex case of coercive control and family/society almost burdening someone in to taking their own life – especially if someone does not have full capacity.
This is where if they were to introduce it, it would need a serious vetting process but it would also mean that we would need to make it essential we are making society and healthcare more inclusive. The government aren’t going to do the latter any time soon, so that’s why MPs vote to deny it. We simply have not built an inclusive infrastructure with enough safeguarding.
HavePicaEatMud on
Very disappointed in the Scottish politicians
They had a chance to give dignity to the suffering but they failed because they are weak cowards
Sad-Basis7411 on
Care home bosses just need that 5 weeks bed money so bad that they would watch people suffer to lobby MSP to vote against it. Perhaps the MSP’s relatives are the shareholder.
Plus-Literature-7221 on
Very glad this was voted against. This would eventually be pushed onto the disabled and elderly to cut costs, and to “save the nhs”.
Lorry_Al on
We’re never going to get assisted dying in the UK are we? There is no spectacle so ridiculous as the British in one of their periodical fits of morality.
MAXSuicide on
Pretty disgusted, and fear the same fate for the Westminster bill.
MrboboCatman on
Fingers crossed the people that voted against, beg for it one day.
MatsyLR on
I think anyone who wishes to, who is sound of mind and went through independent doctor evaluations should be able to end it. Even if nothing is wrong. I don’t think wanting to die makes you crazy.
No one chose to be here, you should be allowed to go out on your own terms when and how you wish.
Specially for those who are terminal or chronic illness.
We treat pets better than we do our loved ones.
I watched my grandma turn from the woman I loved into a husk over a year period, couldn’t even recognise her by the end, it was heartbreaking to watch.
UnlikelyBicycle1 on
Is Scotland just a lot more conservative than we realise? No to independence andnow this. Strange.
appletinicyclone on
I think that debating on euthanasia has merit even though the people against it constantly get harassed, ad hominemed and misconstrued about their position as if they want people in continuous debilitating pain.
There is already nil food/water by mouth and hospice care. And pain management through morphine and other drugs.
I think the debate has merit even though people are really activated against the anti euthanasia side like they’re trying to be monstrous.
It’s best to steel man positions then strawman them.
Imo euthanasia breaks the Hippocratic oath. I would support every other option over it if possible (including nil food/water by mouth, turning off life support)
But I do recognise and understand why the pro euthanasia lot are in favour of it. I know someone that has trigeminal neuralgia and I mean I absolutely get why someone would be in favour of it. I just think it goes too far when it comes to medical institutions and institutionalising it
We don’t have the death penalty for prisoners even if they were to ask for it.
Also before anyone tries to bring this up as a whatabout , I am okay with pro choice for the first 4 months of the pregnancy and I think the UK laws are probably in the reasonable place for that.
Basically people should steel man things not straw man it when they’re trying to portray the opposite position.
cocobarax on
This is fucking awful. My Mum has Motor Neurone Disease and of course I want her here as long as possible but my gosh, with how awful that disease is, I’d want her (and anybody else) to have a choice on when and how they die instead of suffering to the bitter end.
Important-Finger-903 on
Religion especially Christianity probably put this planet back 500 years. I see it continues to hold court over people’s choices, abortions yes, but assisted death, no? It makes no sense. The people should get to vote on it.
SoulStuckInAthens on
We put down dogs if they have simple infections that can be treated with a pill at an old age. But we can’t let Margaret, 87, go peacefully after dealing with chronic illness her whole life and now cancer on top of it, we have to make sure she dies slowly and painfully because ‘her daughter might manipulate her into dying early’.
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Not surprised to be perfectly honest, I don’t really see why they’re voting against it, but here we are I suppose.
Fucking unbelievable.
People will continue to suffer until they die of their illness/driven to DIY suicide or else can afford and have the capacity to somehow get to Switzerland for a peaceful death instead.
If you were one of the idiots on social media claiming this bill was designed to ‘murder’ the disabled people then go fuck yourself for twisting this bill and trapping terminally ill people in a state of unbearable suffering.
57 backed it, 69 voted against and there was one abstention.
Decisive. Considering how many swapped I have to wonder if there was something blatantly wrong with the final version.
People rather watch their loved ones rot away painfully, good to know
It’s impressive that people could be so concerned about safeguards while they casually allow with minimal qualms tens of thousands every year to have undignified, painful and unfair deaths.
It was a terrible bill. A bill probably does exist that gets it right but it isn’t that one. Given how many MSPs changed their view, it looks as if they realised this.
It would also help if palliative care was funded first and not left to charitable donations.
People will continue suffering for the sake of a load of BS and ‘what ifs’ that have never happened in any other jurisdiction with virtually identical legislation.
And since when did some politicians have a conscience anyway?
The way we treat humans that are about to die is diabolical…. No compassion just suffering everyday until most of us just choke to death on our own saliva…
This is a truly disgraceful act of cowardice from our political establishment, here in Scotland.
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I don’t understand what the damn problem is if the bill is literally for people with a terminal illness anyway?
I hope none of them ever have to witness a loved one going through the kind of slow, messy, and inevitable death that makes this bill necessary. However, maybe a few of them could at least go and witness it happening to someone they don’t know so they could maybe begin to understand.
And so we continue to treat our pets with more dignity than our parents. Great job guys, very cool.
Can’t wait to be terrminally ill and have to enjoy a final few months of needless suffering cause of this
Fucking ridiculous and cowardly decision. We give dogs a more dignified death for fuck sake than what we force some people to go through against their will.
To be blunt the disabled argument is utter bollocks. People, especially idiots on social media, talk about it like there will be death squads going round murdering disabled people. It’s ridiculous. Humza Yousaf was talking about even one disabled person being too many to give rights to a “few”. It’s hardly a few who have to go through undignified, painful and untimely deaths.
Absolute spineless bottle jobs. People who can afford Switzerland will still do it, while others who can’t have to continue to suffer. What a wasted opportunity.
Cowards that are choosing to let nature take its course with the vulnerable and terminally ill. A shameful missed opportunity.
It’s not going to pass in Westminster either. The bills proponents have destroyed any chance of that
Someone who is not for the bill… please can you explain why?
Never understood why we euthanise terminally ill animals because it’s ‘the kindest thing to do’ but we can’t do the same with fully consenting adult humans in the same position.
Great news! We all know they will abuse the system so it’s right that this hasn’t passed.
Such a great result. Doctors are here to keep people alive not to carry the burden of murdering you.
So I expect massive funding for pallative care tomorrow then right? How about those people who voted against the bill make an example and donate their salaries to palative care funds?
we allow our pets to pass away peacefully and with dignity if faced with terminal illness so I’m confused why we can’t extend that same grace to human beings
ridiculous.
MSPs who voted against the bill:
Adamson, Clare (Motherwell and Wishaw) (SNP)
Allan, Alasdair (Na h-Eileanan an Iar) (SNP)
Baillie, Jackie (Dumbarton) (Lab)
Baker, Claire (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Balfour, Jeremy (Lothian) (Ind)
Bibby, Neil (West Scotland) (Lab)
Boyack, Sarah (Lothian) (Lab)
Briggs, Miles (Lothian) (Con)
Brown, Keith (Clackmannanshire and Dunblane) (SNP)
Carson, Finlay (Galloway and West Dumfries) (Con)
Choudhury, Foysol (Lothian) (Ind)
Constance, Angela (Almond Valley) (SNP)
Doris, Bob (Glasgow Maryhill and Springburn) (SNP)
Dowey, Sharon (South Scotland) (Con)
Duncan-Glancy, Pam (Glasgow) (Ind)
Eagle, Tim (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Ewing, Annabelle (Cowdenbeath) (SNP)
Ewing, Fergus (Inverness and Nairn) (Ind)
Findlay, Russell (West Scotland) (Con)
Forbes, Kate (Skye, Lochaber and Badenoch) (SNP)
Fraser, Murdo (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Gallacher, Meghan (Central Scotland) (Con)
Golden, Maurice (North East Scotland) (Con)
Gosal, Pam (West Scotland) (Con)
Gougeon, Mairi (Angus North and Mearns) (SNP)
Grant, Rhoda (Highlands and Islands) (Lab)
Griffin, Mark (Central Scotland) (Lab)
Halcro Johnston, Jamie (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Haughey, Clare (Rutherglen) (SNP)
Hepburn, Jamie (Cumbernauld and Kilsyth) (SNP)
Hoy, Craig (South Scotland) (Con)
Johnson, Daniel (Edinburgh Southern) (Lab)
Kerr, Stephen (Central Scotland) (Con)
Leonard, Richard (Central Scotland) (Lab)
MacGregor, Fulton (Coatbridge and Chryston) (SNP)
Maguire, Ruth (Cunninghame South) (SNP)
Marra, Michael (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Mason, John (Glasgow Shettleston) (Ind)
Matheson, Michael (Falkirk West) (SNP)
McAllan, Màiri (Clydesdale) (SNP)
McCall, Roz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
McMillan, Stuart (Greenock and Inverclyde) (SNP)
McNair, Marie (Clydebank and Milngavie) (SNP)
McNeill, Pauline (Glasgow) (Lab)
Mountain, Edward (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Mundell, Oliver (Dumfriesshire) (Con)
Nicoll, Audrey (Aberdeen South and North Kincardine) (SNP)
O’Kane, Paul (West Scotland) (Lab)
Regan, Ash (Edinburgh Eastern) (Ind)
Roddick, Emma (Highlands and Islands) (SNP)
Ross, Douglas (Highlands and Islands) (Con)
Rowley, Alex (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Lab)
Russell, Davy (Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse) (Lab)
Sarwar, Anas (Glasgow) (Lab)
Simpson, Graham (Central Scotland) (Reform)
Smith, Liz (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Stevenson, Collette (East Kilbride) (SNP)
Stewart, Alexander (Mid Scotland and Fife) (Con)
Sturgeon, Nicola (Glasgow Southside) (SNP)
Sweeney, Paul (Glasgow) (Lab)
Swinney, John (Perthshire North) (SNP)
Villalba, Mercedes (North East Scotland) (Lab)
Webber, Sue (Lothian) (Con)
Wells, Annie (Glasgow) (Con)
White, Tess (North East Scotland) (Con)
Whitfield, Martin (South Scotland) (Lab)
Whittle, Brian (South Scotland) (Con)
Wishart, Beatrice (Shetland Islands) (LD)
Yousaf, Humza (Glasgow Pollok) (SNP)
As per https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2grl77j47t?post=asset%3Ad1135e49-5cb7-4bb2-9421-ab6b807a8f40#post
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It’s incredibly sad because there absolutely needs to be some agency for people who are in chronic pain/terminally ill and want some control over when and how they go.
With this being said, the reason it didn’t pass in England and what I imagine the reason was for Scotland is the complex case of coercive control and family/society almost burdening someone in to taking their own life – especially if someone does not have full capacity.
This is where if they were to introduce it, it would need a serious vetting process but it would also mean that we would need to make it essential we are making society and healthcare more inclusive. The government aren’t going to do the latter any time soon, so that’s why MPs vote to deny it. We simply have not built an inclusive infrastructure with enough safeguarding.
Very disappointed in the Scottish politicians
They had a chance to give dignity to the suffering but they failed because they are weak cowards
Care home bosses just need that 5 weeks bed money so bad that they would watch people suffer to lobby MSP to vote against it. Perhaps the MSP’s relatives are the shareholder.
Very glad this was voted against. This would eventually be pushed onto the disabled and elderly to cut costs, and to “save the nhs”.
We’re never going to get assisted dying in the UK are we? There is no spectacle so ridiculous as the British in one of their periodical fits of morality.
Pretty disgusted, and fear the same fate for the Westminster bill.
Fingers crossed the people that voted against, beg for it one day.
I think anyone who wishes to, who is sound of mind and went through independent doctor evaluations should be able to end it. Even if nothing is wrong. I don’t think wanting to die makes you crazy.
No one chose to be here, you should be allowed to go out on your own terms when and how you wish.
Specially for those who are terminal or chronic illness.
We treat pets better than we do our loved ones.
I watched my grandma turn from the woman I loved into a husk over a year period, couldn’t even recognise her by the end, it was heartbreaking to watch.
Is Scotland just a lot more conservative than we realise? No to independence andnow this. Strange.
I think that debating on euthanasia has merit even though the people against it constantly get harassed, ad hominemed and misconstrued about their position as if they want people in continuous debilitating pain.
There is already nil food/water by mouth and hospice care. And pain management through morphine and other drugs.
I think the debate has merit even though people are really activated against the anti euthanasia side like they’re trying to be monstrous.
It’s best to steel man positions then strawman them.
Imo euthanasia breaks the Hippocratic oath. I would support every other option over it if possible (including nil food/water by mouth, turning off life support)
But I do recognise and understand why the pro euthanasia lot are in favour of it. I know someone that has trigeminal neuralgia and I mean I absolutely get why someone would be in favour of it. I just think it goes too far when it comes to medical institutions and institutionalising it
We don’t have the death penalty for prisoners even if they were to ask for it.
Also before anyone tries to bring this up as a whatabout , I am okay with pro choice for the first 4 months of the pregnancy and I think the UK laws are probably in the reasonable place for that.
Basically people should steel man things not straw man it when they’re trying to portray the opposite position.
This is fucking awful. My Mum has Motor Neurone Disease and of course I want her here as long as possible but my gosh, with how awful that disease is, I’d want her (and anybody else) to have a choice on when and how they die instead of suffering to the bitter end.
Religion especially Christianity probably put this planet back 500 years. I see it continues to hold court over people’s choices, abortions yes, but assisted death, no? It makes no sense. The people should get to vote on it.
We put down dogs if they have simple infections that can be treated with a pill at an old age. But we can’t let Margaret, 87, go peacefully after dealing with chronic illness her whole life and now cancer on top of it, we have to make sure she dies slowly and painfully because ‘her daughter might manipulate her into dying early’.