That marks a change. Man I’d love to be a fly in the wall for some of these phone calls.
kinetic_honda on
Oh no….. Reddit will probably now hate Zelensky…. Zelensky wants something Trump wants?
Edit: or I guess, reddit will now be FOR the war in Iran
Lost_Example4631 on
Not surprising as Iran supplies drones and other weapons to Russia for the Ukraine war.
Europe entering the Iran war will pull more of these weapons and materials to the Iran war and away from Russi. So of course he’s advocating for other allies to enter in Iran – it benefits a country that already has the odds stacked against them
HotTubMike on
The Iranian regime has been supplying arms to Russia.
Of course Zelensky wants to see such a regime toppled/weakened.
very_bad_advice on
Zelenskyy not last week said that – do not look at rhetoric look at action when queried about Trumps insistence that they never sought Ukraine help with drones.
So just ignore rhetoric because clearly what he is doing is just pandering to trump to ensure that US doesn’t turn against Ukraine
opinelmavric on
dudes getting desperate
No ones butting boots on the ground against Iran or Russia
downvotes are funny btw, you’d all be happy seeing your boys at the end of a fpv drone strike videos I guess?
griffoberwald69 on
Zelensky is right that Iran is a major backer of Russia and now that the war has started, we need to finish it in a way that benefits the West, not weakens it.
However, neither Zelensky nor Trump have articulated any sort of coherent plan for how we get from here to there, and responsible leaders are not super keen to just send their young men and women into another open-ended Middle Eastern war with ill defined goals and no “off-ramp”.
Not to mention that most Prime Ministers in NATO don’t have the unfettered executive branch powers of POTUS. They need to go to the legislature for permission to embark on a war of choice.
I actually think that many or most NATO allies would be willing to assist if Washington was able to articulate a war plan they can put in front of their (ie the NATO allies’) various parliaments for approval. One that opens the Straight of Hormuz by some other means than either (1) running the gauntlet of IRGC missiles and suicide boats or (2) occupying western Iran.
Hypnoti_q on
Ill sit back and watch europe cry for help when russia start knocking on their door with iranian supplied cheap drones, history will always repeat
HandsomeCostanza on
I know I’ll probably get shit for this because anything remotely negative about Zelensky sort of does around here but I’m starting to think that Zelensky just straight up doesn’t get US politics. From his desire to “Stay out of it” during the election to his repeated attempts to get on Trump’s good side even though Trump will never give a shit, and now this. This war is immensely unpopular both within the US and around the world and it would be a mistake to attach yourself to it even if Iran has helped Russia in it’s war against ukraine, especially considering the US is doing to Iran something very similar to what Russia did to them. Trump will never give anything in return for Zelensky’s help here, it will just be more resources diverted from where they need to go in Ukraine, whatever form those resources may take.
It’s just one tone deaf mis step after another. Now has the US failed him and Ukraine? Yes, especially now but even during Biden and Obama we didn’t do enough early enough. What we are allowing to happen to the Ukrainian people is inexcusable and it’s nobody’s fault but our own. Nothing will change that. But Zelensky’s handling of Russian interference in US politics and just Trump in general has been absolutely disastrous.
Edit: you can see it in the comments even now with the “oh hes masterfully playing 3D chess with trump” sentiments. Well if he is then he’s playing terribly and getting his ass beat I’m sorry to say. I think leaders outside of the US and especially in Europe havent been subjected to Trump’s insanity for very long as they were largely shielded from the worst of him during his first term and theyre all playing by a playbook that doesnt work anymore. You have to go for the throat (metaphorically.. in minecraft) with Trump, you can’t finesse him any more than you can finesse a raving lunatic on bath salts. He looks at gratitude and generosity as weaknesses to be exploited. By going along with his bullshit you only prolong and exacerbate the problems he will cause. Zelensky won’t get shit for helping here except fir a deteriorating political environment
CyclopsNut on
Love this, I know this is leaving a lot of Reddit users confused with what side to take
WittyAndOriginal on
As much as I love Zelensky, and I agree with this message of his, this sounds like a formal kickoff of WW3
free_username_ on
Well, irans leaders are the only ones prepared to die defending their country from an unwarranted invasion …
I haven’t seen any key figure deaths in Russia, Ukraine or the USA as a result of these unnecessary wars
SpungyDanglin69 on
Now watch Trump condemn any coalition… oh wait
Eazy-Eid on
Hopefully this makes the left stop rooting for the US to fail in this war, but I’m not holding my breath.
Cozybear110494 on
Despite how much I hate dictatorship, but no need to talk for Trump, mr Zelensky.
Necessary-Reading605 on
So a war between regions and blocks?
leon_alistair on
I dont see Iran mess get sorted anytime soon. It could take years. Ukraine better prepare for the worst.
Ambitious-Upstairs90 on
Oh yes, and US & Israel are spreading love across globe by attacking countries every few years?
Chuterito99 on
So now Zelensky thinks invading those you dont like is right if it aligns with your principles?
CompleteScholar4714 on
Europe can help weakening Iran by supporting Ukraine against Russia instead of directly go to war with iran.
Mistriever on
Americans don’t care that Iran has been arming Russia. Orange man bad. Iran is the good guy and a victim of capitalist propaganda, no matter how many people they kill and no matter who the victims are. /s
GuyD427 on
Zelensky looking to wet his beak again. It’s a damn Shane the US didn’t elect someone like Zelensky instead of that orange turd hairball we ended up with.
Otherwise_Ask_9542 on
“War comes when you are weak or alone. Enemies see when alliances are divided.” -Zelenskyy
Wise words.
Hope_Justice on
I am just here for the comments.
FromPepeWithLove on
They can’t even get united against Russia. Everyone knows Putin has to be stopped but no one wants to pay the prices. They can’t bear inflation that may risk losing their seats. They keep a blind eye on Russia rerouting their oils so that they can still buy cheap oils even if it means funding Putin for the Ukrainian war. They just do the safest options and let Ukrainians bleed for them.
zealousshad on
This is a deconstructed world war. Like a deconstructed burger, you know, all the pieces unassembled on a plate.
snower88 on
Happy to help, but not if Trump is still the president
ZasdfUnreal on
Combining two regional wars could trigger the start of a world war.
blitzzo on
Zelensky isn’t wrong but this whole Iran thing is already a giant convoluted mess, just a minor refresher for everyone:
>Russia invades Crimea, Iran refuses to recognize the annexation due to domestic concerns
>Russia later brokers the Obama-Iran deal (JCPOA), successfully wedges Crimea as a condition of brokering the deal, sets an expiration of JCPOA agreement to 2025
>Trump warns the EU against the nordstream pipeline, saying it will deepen dependence on Russia to their own demise, they go through with it anyway then (likely Biden) blows it up after seeing the EU refusing to end it’s dependence after the Ukraine invasion
>In 2024 Russia surges training of Iranian scientists to learn more about nuclear development and sign agreement for dual use materials, in 2025 right after operation midnight hammer they surge even more support, an estimated 700 Russian advisors in Iran + $25 billion for new facilities
I’ll skip over the Russia buying Iranian drones, now Iran getting drones from Russia to use against the US, Russia providing targeting info to Iran, etc since it’s all recent or well known stuff but IMO it’s not a reach to say Russia wants a nuclear Iran for the same reason they wanted a nuclear North Korea – to keep the US and therefor the majority of NATO distracted while they move on Europe.
Throwing the EU into the mix with Iran suddenly starts to align something along the lines of WW3 or the cold war when the solution is much easier, Trump needs to get over his deep hatred of Zelensky over the Hunter Biden/Burisma/impeachment fiasco and just hand Zelensky some tomahawks to strike Russia’s drone factories.
ZehTorres on
The war on Ukraine is illegal and so is the war on Iran
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He wants to make a world war or what?
That marks a change. Man I’d love to be a fly in the wall for some of these phone calls.
Oh no….. Reddit will probably now hate Zelensky…. Zelensky wants something Trump wants?
Edit: or I guess, reddit will now be FOR the war in Iran
Not surprising as Iran supplies drones and other weapons to Russia for the Ukraine war.
Europe entering the Iran war will pull more of these weapons and materials to the Iran war and away from Russi. So of course he’s advocating for other allies to enter in Iran – it benefits a country that already has the odds stacked against them
The Iranian regime has been supplying arms to Russia.
Of course Zelensky wants to see such a regime toppled/weakened.
Zelenskyy not last week said that – do not look at rhetoric look at action when queried about Trumps insistence that they never sought Ukraine help with drones.
So just ignore rhetoric because clearly what he is doing is just pandering to trump to ensure that US doesn’t turn against Ukraine
dudes getting desperate
No ones butting boots on the ground against Iran or Russia
downvotes are funny btw, you’d all be happy seeing your boys at the end of a fpv drone strike videos I guess?
Zelensky is right that Iran is a major backer of Russia and now that the war has started, we need to finish it in a way that benefits the West, not weakens it.
However, neither Zelensky nor Trump have articulated any sort of coherent plan for how we get from here to there, and responsible leaders are not super keen to just send their young men and women into another open-ended Middle Eastern war with ill defined goals and no “off-ramp”.
Not to mention that most Prime Ministers in NATO don’t have the unfettered executive branch powers of POTUS. They need to go to the legislature for permission to embark on a war of choice.
I actually think that many or most NATO allies would be willing to assist if Washington was able to articulate a war plan they can put in front of their (ie the NATO allies’) various parliaments for approval. One that opens the Straight of Hormuz by some other means than either (1) running the gauntlet of IRGC missiles and suicide boats or (2) occupying western Iran.
Ill sit back and watch europe cry for help when russia start knocking on their door with iranian supplied cheap drones, history will always repeat
I know I’ll probably get shit for this because anything remotely negative about Zelensky sort of does around here but I’m starting to think that Zelensky just straight up doesn’t get US politics. From his desire to “Stay out of it” during the election to his repeated attempts to get on Trump’s good side even though Trump will never give a shit, and now this. This war is immensely unpopular both within the US and around the world and it would be a mistake to attach yourself to it even if Iran has helped Russia in it’s war against ukraine, especially considering the US is doing to Iran something very similar to what Russia did to them. Trump will never give anything in return for Zelensky’s help here, it will just be more resources diverted from where they need to go in Ukraine, whatever form those resources may take.
It’s just one tone deaf mis step after another. Now has the US failed him and Ukraine? Yes, especially now but even during Biden and Obama we didn’t do enough early enough. What we are allowing to happen to the Ukrainian people is inexcusable and it’s nobody’s fault but our own. Nothing will change that. But Zelensky’s handling of Russian interference in US politics and just Trump in general has been absolutely disastrous.
Edit: you can see it in the comments even now with the “oh hes masterfully playing 3D chess with trump” sentiments. Well if he is then he’s playing terribly and getting his ass beat I’m sorry to say. I think leaders outside of the US and especially in Europe havent been subjected to Trump’s insanity for very long as they were largely shielded from the worst of him during his first term and theyre all playing by a playbook that doesnt work anymore. You have to go for the throat (metaphorically.. in minecraft) with Trump, you can’t finesse him any more than you can finesse a raving lunatic on bath salts. He looks at gratitude and generosity as weaknesses to be exploited. By going along with his bullshit you only prolong and exacerbate the problems he will cause. Zelensky won’t get shit for helping here except fir a deteriorating political environment
Love this, I know this is leaving a lot of Reddit users confused with what side to take
As much as I love Zelensky, and I agree with this message of his, this sounds like a formal kickoff of WW3
Well, irans leaders are the only ones prepared to die defending their country from an unwarranted invasion …
I haven’t seen any key figure deaths in Russia, Ukraine or the USA as a result of these unnecessary wars
Now watch Trump condemn any coalition… oh wait
Hopefully this makes the left stop rooting for the US to fail in this war, but I’m not holding my breath.
Despite how much I hate dictatorship, but no need to talk for Trump, mr Zelensky.
So a war between regions and blocks?
I dont see Iran mess get sorted anytime soon. It could take years. Ukraine better prepare for the worst.
Oh yes, and US & Israel are spreading love across globe by attacking countries every few years?
So now Zelensky thinks invading those you dont like is right if it aligns with your principles?
Europe can help weakening Iran by supporting Ukraine against Russia instead of directly go to war with iran.
Americans don’t care that Iran has been arming Russia. Orange man bad. Iran is the good guy and a victim of capitalist propaganda, no matter how many people they kill and no matter who the victims are. /s
Zelensky looking to wet his beak again. It’s a damn Shane the US didn’t elect someone like Zelensky instead of that orange turd hairball we ended up with.
“War comes when you are weak or alone. Enemies see when alliances are divided.” -Zelenskyy
Wise words.
I am just here for the comments.
They can’t even get united against Russia. Everyone knows Putin has to be stopped but no one wants to pay the prices. They can’t bear inflation that may risk losing their seats. They keep a blind eye on Russia rerouting their oils so that they can still buy cheap oils even if it means funding Putin for the Ukrainian war. They just do the safest options and let Ukrainians bleed for them.
This is a deconstructed world war. Like a deconstructed burger, you know, all the pieces unassembled on a plate.
Happy to help, but not if Trump is still the president
Combining two regional wars could trigger the start of a world war.
Zelensky isn’t wrong but this whole Iran thing is already a giant convoluted mess, just a minor refresher for everyone:
>Russia invades Crimea, Iran refuses to recognize the annexation due to domestic concerns
>Russia later brokers the Obama-Iran deal (JCPOA), successfully wedges Crimea as a condition of brokering the deal, sets an expiration of JCPOA agreement to 2025
>Trump warns the EU against the nordstream pipeline, saying it will deepen dependence on Russia to their own demise, they go through with it anyway then (likely Biden) blows it up after seeing the EU refusing to end it’s dependence after the Ukraine invasion
>In 2024 Russia surges training of Iranian scientists to learn more about nuclear development and sign agreement for dual use materials, in 2025 right after operation midnight hammer they surge even more support, an estimated 700 Russian advisors in Iran + $25 billion for new facilities
I’ll skip over the Russia buying Iranian drones, now Iran getting drones from Russia to use against the US, Russia providing targeting info to Iran, etc since it’s all recent or well known stuff but IMO it’s not a reach to say Russia wants a nuclear Iran for the same reason they wanted a nuclear North Korea – to keep the US and therefor the majority of NATO distracted while they move on Europe.
Throwing the EU into the mix with Iran suddenly starts to align something along the lines of WW3 or the cold war when the solution is much easier, Trump needs to get over his deep hatred of Zelensky over the Hunter Biden/Burisma/impeachment fiasco and just hand Zelensky some tomahawks to strike Russia’s drone factories.
The war on Ukraine is illegal and so is the war on Iran