> In fact, videos of this nature, termed “nightlife content” or “walking tour content” and filmed covertly in public areas, tend to fall into a legal grey area with nothing prohibiting them.
That’s not a grey area, though? It’s just not illegal. It’s supremely creepy to film women like this, but it’s not ambiguous that it’s legal to do so.
LittleBigBaws on
Those videos are made with a foreign audience in mind.
The amount of likes and comments from Africa and India/Pakistan proves this.
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SmallPromiseQueen on
I didn’t know this was a thing and looked up one of the videos for a minute or two and they’re really weird. Just young women walking down the street on nights out but only young women and only those dressed for a night out. You’d think men barely went out clubbing at all!
I remember the daily mail doing similar stuff with pictures and I thought it was incredibly weird then.
I think demonetising the videos is probably the best thing to do for everyone involved.
It makes me sad that young people can’t have a wild night anymore without worrying about being filmed and publicly shamed on the internet.
Thrasy3 on
I’m not sure how I feel that this is the headline they chose for this article.
Women will become more guarded in public, and then the creeps will say “oh that’s just life” but also “why won’t girls speak to me??'”. Well you have your answer, kindness and friendliness are not always rewarded if you are a women in public these days. Not any more. This kind of public good will stuff is seen as an expectation to some, but it is an opportunity to humiliate you or make you feel unsafe or give you a lot of hassle. All for just existing. There are people who make money out of discomfort caused and there are others who encourage it. I am so glad I had my light hearted youth experiences in the 90s. I wouldn’t be young now for all the tea in China.
MachineHot3089 on
There should be a law that you can only monetise content with the permission of those in the video.
lalabadmans on
Wasn’t there that piano man who had a Camara in a public place, some Chinese woman who got captured didn’t want to be in his film, he said something along the lines of “tough love, this is GB where I have a right to film you” and everyone on Reddit sided with him? We made our bed.
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RoyalJacko on
To put it mildly, it’s very weird. But it’s one of these things where I would not want a law that you can get arrested for filming; it’s a slippery slope.
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Emergency_Slice3687 on
The fact so many men film/watch this type of content is so creepy and pathetic
Deadliftdeadlife on
Stuff like this is going to end up changing the law for the worse.
The right to film in public is a good right to have.
These guys are going to cause enough outrage that people will support having this right taken away
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Arseypoowank on
This has been going on for quite a while and it just seems to have had nothing done to combat it, I noticed it started around 2012 when camera phones started getting better. There were a few instances where I’d be out with a partner/date and I’d catch usually a group of young lads pretending to take photos/videos of each other but the cameras were clearly pointed over the shoulder/off to the side at the girls lined up at the bar or in the queue outside. However, what’s truly scary is the quality and production and forethought that seems to go into it now, it’s just so fucking gross.
thomasnash on
I read this earlier and was struck by how no one was able to put their finger on what line has been crossed.
It seems to me that the act is not the thing that people find objectionable; it’s the fact that the videos are a space where porn-brained misogynists can express themselves without censure.
If the comments were just about, say, good nights out people had had in Manchester, I think they might not have felt as violated?
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You only have to go back a few years and this was the staple of nightclubs and newspapers. The Birmingham Mail had a nightlife photographer who would go around and photograph people out on the town and then they would ask the pretty people if they could take a photo. Then the following day the pictures would be on the website and in the paper. And they would offer to sell you the picture.
Astriania on
I do think that covert cameras are creepy and weird. But being filmed in a public street isn’t illegal, and if the footage embarrasses you, maybe consider whether what you’re wearing is appropriate for the public street.
I’ll be honest, I think some of these groups of young women are borderline offending public decency, and I don’t mean in a “I’m from Dubai and you flashed an ankle” kind of way, I mean according to the norms of British culture. And their reaction to being recorded implies that they kind of think that too.
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Originzzzzzzz on
Wild to me that they can’t just grab the person making the videos and lock them up
Loreki on
It’s really very important that we don’t allow a moral panic to take hold and justify banning recording people in public.
The ability to record the conduct of the police, other public workers, political speeches and a host of other things which happen in public in plain view is very important to democracy. We see that for example in the US where members of the public recording ICE is the best defence against censorship, propaganda and outright lies about the violence they use against ordinary citizens.
Is it unsettling that men might be turned on by video of women just walking around? Yes. But the involvement of the camera isn’t really the problem, it’s the perversion of the men which should be targeted.
exa-feline on
Sexual harassment is illegal. It is just a matter of time before the law catches up to technology, and these disgusting men who are filming women with the sole purpose of uploading them to the internet so that people can mock, insult, ridicule and insult them.
OceanicFlight_815 on
This is a disturbing trend which our government should be doing more to hold the SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS to account. Let alone the perverts who are running these pages. Legislate Government. Please.
EgoCity on
We need a bunch of lads going around finding these guys and beating the crap outs them while filming it. Some people are such losers
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> In fact, videos of this nature, termed “nightlife content” or “walking tour content” and filmed covertly in public areas, tend to fall into a legal grey area with nothing prohibiting them.
That’s not a grey area, though? It’s just not illegal. It’s supremely creepy to film women like this, but it’s not ambiguous that it’s legal to do so.
Those videos are made with a foreign audience in mind.
The amount of likes and comments from Africa and India/Pakistan proves this.
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I didn’t know this was a thing and looked up one of the videos for a minute or two and they’re really weird. Just young women walking down the street on nights out but only young women and only those dressed for a night out. You’d think men barely went out clubbing at all!
I remember the daily mail doing similar stuff with pictures and I thought it was incredibly weird then.
I think demonetising the videos is probably the best thing to do for everyone involved.
It makes me sad that young people can’t have a wild night anymore without worrying about being filmed and publicly shamed on the internet.
I’m not sure how I feel that this is the headline they chose for this article.
This is useful for women to know
https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1rdl9dm/this_app_warns_you_if_someone_is_wearing_smart/
Women will become more guarded in public, and then the creeps will say “oh that’s just life” but also “why won’t girls speak to me??'”. Well you have your answer, kindness and friendliness are not always rewarded if you are a women in public these days. Not any more. This kind of public good will stuff is seen as an expectation to some, but it is an opportunity to humiliate you or make you feel unsafe or give you a lot of hassle. All for just existing. There are people who make money out of discomfort caused and there are others who encourage it. I am so glad I had my light hearted youth experiences in the 90s. I wouldn’t be young now for all the tea in China.
There should be a law that you can only monetise content with the permission of those in the video.
Wasn’t there that piano man who had a Camara in a public place, some Chinese woman who got captured didn’t want to be in his film, he said something along the lines of “tough love, this is GB where I have a right to film you” and everyone on Reddit sided with him? We made our bed.
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To put it mildly, it’s very weird. But it’s one of these things where I would not want a law that you can get arrested for filming; it’s a slippery slope.
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The fact so many men film/watch this type of content is so creepy and pathetic
Stuff like this is going to end up changing the law for the worse.
The right to film in public is a good right to have.
These guys are going to cause enough outrage that people will support having this right taken away
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This has been going on for quite a while and it just seems to have had nothing done to combat it, I noticed it started around 2012 when camera phones started getting better. There were a few instances where I’d be out with a partner/date and I’d catch usually a group of young lads pretending to take photos/videos of each other but the cameras were clearly pointed over the shoulder/off to the side at the girls lined up at the bar or in the queue outside. However, what’s truly scary is the quality and production and forethought that seems to go into it now, it’s just so fucking gross.
I read this earlier and was struck by how no one was able to put their finger on what line has been crossed.
It seems to me that the act is not the thing that people find objectionable; it’s the fact that the videos are a space where porn-brained misogynists can express themselves without censure.
If the comments were just about, say, good nights out people had had in Manchester, I think they might not have felt as violated?
You only have to go back a few years and this was the staple of nightclubs and newspapers. The Birmingham Mail had a nightlife photographer who would go around and photograph people out on the town and then they would ask the pretty people if they could take a photo. Then the following day the pictures would be on the website and in the paper. And they would offer to sell you the picture.
I do think that covert cameras are creepy and weird. But being filmed in a public street isn’t illegal, and if the footage embarrasses you, maybe consider whether what you’re wearing is appropriate for the public street.
I’ll be honest, I think some of these groups of young women are borderline offending public decency, and I don’t mean in a “I’m from Dubai and you flashed an ankle” kind of way, I mean according to the norms of British culture. And their reaction to being recorded implies that they kind of think that too.
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Wild to me that they can’t just grab the person making the videos and lock them up
It’s really very important that we don’t allow a moral panic to take hold and justify banning recording people in public.
The ability to record the conduct of the police, other public workers, political speeches and a host of other things which happen in public in plain view is very important to democracy. We see that for example in the US where members of the public recording ICE is the best defence against censorship, propaganda and outright lies about the violence they use against ordinary citizens.
Is it unsettling that men might be turned on by video of women just walking around? Yes. But the involvement of the camera isn’t really the problem, it’s the perversion of the men which should be targeted.
Sexual harassment is illegal. It is just a matter of time before the law catches up to technology, and these disgusting men who are filming women with the sole purpose of uploading them to the internet so that people can mock, insult, ridicule and insult them.
This is a disturbing trend which our government should be doing more to hold the SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS to account. Let alone the perverts who are running these pages. Legislate Government. Please.
We need a bunch of lads going around finding these guys and beating the crap outs them while filming it. Some people are such losers