Been hearing these headlines for almost 2 decades now. What will be done about it? Fuck all.
judochop1 on
A conservative MP can stfu for all the damage they did to working class people, white or otherwise.
You can’t bitch about this whilst also calling them all benefit cheats.
According-Secret9516 on
This has been the case for many years.
Black, Pakistani and white boys tend to fall behind. Indian and Chinese boys excel.
MultiMidden on
Tory MP, this isn’t anything new, the Tories had 15 years to do something about this but instead they cut Sure Start centres (something that helped working class families).
wijm02 on
Well maybe if Tory MPs like him hadn’t underfunded education for 14 years…
Thin_Pin2863 on
The MP is right, but from the wrong party to be talking about it given their culpability.
PreFuturism-0 on
Some drag others down, so that’s one reason that should be dealt with more.
caeseron on
Its been like this for years now. Nothing is being done about it though.
forzafoggia85 on
All working class and put it back 20 years if not more
Electric-Lamb on
The left abandoning the working class to focus on social justice for migrant communities is one of the biggest unforced errors in British politics.
Jensablefur on
Its wild to think how there are millions of people on minimum wage going back to their horrible mould infested rental flats, getting scalped 40-50% of income on rent… they’re doing 40+ hours of graft a week and its just hopeless.
And then you think about the fact that there basically isn’t a political party for this person.
Thats the real working class, not a cartoon character in a flat cap with braces, but these people. And nobody seems to give a shit.
wijm02 on
Here is the full comparison of performance by ethnicity. It’s always the case that those cultures which have a reputation for parents pushing their kids to study apparently perform better.
Wonder what data the mp brought up to support his claim.
Optimal-Teaching7527 on
The ***entirety*** of the working class is being left behind that’s the entire point of the conservative economic policy.
Aggravating_Pizza592 on
Well yeah a lot of it comes down to culture. Immigrants on average have a better work ethic as a result of having to build themselves from bottom up, and this gets passed down to their children.
AcanthaceaeNew9639 on
I’m not sure English working class people realise just how underfunded the schools are vs Scotland
the Barnett formula is untouched as English mps hate English people and want to leech off them whilst saying they are helping.
Barnett himself said it was unjust to engkand
StreetCarp665 on
*”But what about middle class girls, should they be asked to go back to the kitchen?”*
– An unhelpful Your Party or Greens voter showing their political literacy skills off.
Bolvaettur on
>How Charlie Dewhirst voted on Education
>For votes held while they were in office:
>Generally voted against nationalising teacher pay and the curriculum for academies, tightening child-protection duties, free breakfast clubs (Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill).
What are the statistics for this? Who counts as white?
Given that the majority of the UK is white, it would nice to see the spread of data rather than white nationalists pricks banging on about it every few years whilst our government partake in illegal wars, funnell away national infrastructure to private companies and let their rich friends get all government contracts/ opportunities.
AttemptFlashy669 on
They could solve this overnight, but the middle and upper classes would never allow it. Until we treat social class like race or disability nothing will change.
You can’t pick these boys up through race, protect the white boys- white public school males are in rude health as are good middle class white boys from grammar schools in Surrey.
It has to be, its all about CLASS.
HeadBat1863 on
Funny how the Conservatives only care about this when they aren’t in government.Â
geniusgravity on
This sub, honestly. Ypu can scream and wail about Tories all you like (as ypu always do), but if you aren’t focusing on fixing this now then you are no better thann they are. You look like you are making excuses yo leave them behind.
cagemeplenty on
Everyone’s being left behind, the country is a crap hole with huge wealth inequality. That’s what happens.
soggyarsonist on
Maybe the parents should care more about their sons education. A lot of the parents of kids who go to my children’s majority white British school don’t appear to care in the slightest.
GhostRiders on
They are and have been for over a decade now, the issue is that it is a very difficult problem to solve.
What I would do is stop telling young boys that they are basically the cause of everything that is wrong in society for starters.
My son is in high school and when they have covered topics in PSHE such as Understanding Deepfakes and manipulating images online, Belonging and Community, Racism, Discrimination, Knife Crime, Not just Flirting and the real kicker Tackling Violence against Women it is geared towards Boys are evil, terrible, a danger to society etc etc etc..
It is never Violence against People, Anybody can commit knife crime or be part of a gang etc.. It is always Boys do not do this, Boys do not do that, be careful of boys etc..
If you spend the most important years of a boys life teaching them that they are the problem then they will ultimately not only believe that but resent society for blaming them for literally everything.
We spend so much time in School, In the media, both visual and print telling young boys that they are causes of many of the problems we have in society today, constantly knocking them and never building them them up then don’t be surprised when they turn to the likes of Andrew Tate.
EponymousHoward on
I thought the Tory solution was for people to get on their bikes…
AttemptImpossible111 on
Having gone to school with working class white boys, its because their parents care the least about school plus the usual reasons girls make better students, which is the reason lower class white girls do better.
PluckyPheasant on
I absolutely guarantee you, as a WWC boy who went to a WWC school, if there are students who want to learn, they won’t get left behind.
But most of my peers were incredibly content not to learn or engage with school much at all. The idea that WWC boys are chomping at the bit to be educated and schools are refusing to is ridiculous.
And before you say “they need more help” the ones who misbehaved and fucked around and struggled in class got the most help. At a certain point you have to start looking at the culture and attitudes to education.
You can lead a horse to water…
penguin62 on
Yes. You’ve been saying this for decades. What’s your actual plan.
ISO_3103_ on
Just punishment for being responsible for adolescence /s
RichterScaleSnorer on
In terms of the racial element, how much of this divides down to rural vs. urban?
With Minorities living in higher density locations that benefit from larger economies of scale when investing into education. Large city schools are struggling, can only imagine how bad smaller rural schools are doing.
NonagoonInfinity on
I don’t think *anyone* in Bridlington is doing well.
happybaby00 on
council or other tax reductions during the school term for families whose children are getting bad grades will go far.
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Been hearing these headlines for almost 2 decades now. What will be done about it? Fuck all.
A conservative MP can stfu for all the damage they did to working class people, white or otherwise.
You can’t bitch about this whilst also calling them all benefit cheats.
This has been the case for many years.
Black, Pakistani and white boys tend to fall behind. Indian and Chinese boys excel.
Tory MP, this isn’t anything new, the Tories had 15 years to do something about this but instead they cut Sure Start centres (something that helped working class families).
Well maybe if Tory MPs like him hadn’t underfunded education for 14 years…
The MP is right, but from the wrong party to be talking about it given their culpability.
Some drag others down, so that’s one reason that should be dealt with more.
Its been like this for years now. Nothing is being done about it though.
All working class and put it back 20 years if not more
The left abandoning the working class to focus on social justice for migrant communities is one of the biggest unforced errors in British politics.
Its wild to think how there are millions of people on minimum wage going back to their horrible mould infested rental flats, getting scalped 40-50% of income on rent… they’re doing 40+ hours of graft a week and its just hopeless.
And then you think about the fact that there basically isn’t a political party for this person.
Thats the real working class, not a cartoon character in a flat cap with braces, but these people. And nobody seems to give a shit.
Here is the full comparison of performance by ethnicity. It’s always the case that those cultures which have a reputation for parents pushing their kids to study apparently perform better.
[https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest/](https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/education-skills-and-training/11-to-16-years-old/gcse-results-attainment-8-for-children-aged-14-to-16-key-stage-4/latest/)
Wonder what data the mp brought up to support his claim.
The ***entirety*** of the working class is being left behind that’s the entire point of the conservative economic policy.
Well yeah a lot of it comes down to culture. Immigrants on average have a better work ethic as a result of having to build themselves from bottom up, and this gets passed down to their children.
I’m not sure English working class people realise just how underfunded the schools are vs Scotland
the Barnett formula is untouched as English mps hate English people and want to leech off them whilst saying they are helping.
Barnett himself said it was unjust to engkand
*”But what about middle class girls, should they be asked to go back to the kitchen?”*
– An unhelpful Your Party or Greens voter showing their political literacy skills off.
>How Charlie Dewhirst voted on Education
>For votes held while they were in office:
>Generally voted against nationalising teacher pay and the curriculum for academies, tightening child-protection duties, free breakfast clubs (Children’s Wellbeing and Schools Bill).
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/26461/charlie_dewhirst/bridlington_and_the_wolds/votes#education
What are the statistics for this? Who counts as white?
Given that the majority of the UK is white, it would nice to see the spread of data rather than white nationalists pricks banging on about it every few years whilst our government partake in illegal wars, funnell away national infrastructure to private companies and let their rich friends get all government contracts/ opportunities.
They could solve this overnight, but the middle and upper classes would never allow it. Until we treat social class like race or disability nothing will change.
You can’t pick these boys up through race, protect the white boys- white public school males are in rude health as are good middle class white boys from grammar schools in Surrey.
It has to be, its all about CLASS.
Funny how the Conservatives only care about this when they aren’t in government.Â
This sub, honestly. Ypu can scream and wail about Tories all you like (as ypu always do), but if you aren’t focusing on fixing this now then you are no better thann they are. You look like you are making excuses yo leave them behind.
Everyone’s being left behind, the country is a crap hole with huge wealth inequality. That’s what happens.
Maybe the parents should care more about their sons education. A lot of the parents of kids who go to my children’s majority white British school don’t appear to care in the slightest.
They are and have been for over a decade now, the issue is that it is a very difficult problem to solve.
What I would do is stop telling young boys that they are basically the cause of everything that is wrong in society for starters.
My son is in high school and when they have covered topics in PSHE such as Understanding Deepfakes and manipulating images online, Belonging and Community, Racism, Discrimination, Knife Crime, Not just Flirting and the real kicker Tackling Violence against Women it is geared towards Boys are evil, terrible, a danger to society etc etc etc..
It is never Violence against People, Anybody can commit knife crime or be part of a gang etc.. It is always Boys do not do this, Boys do not do that, be careful of boys etc..
If you spend the most important years of a boys life teaching them that they are the problem then they will ultimately not only believe that but resent society for blaming them for literally everything.
We spend so much time in School, In the media, both visual and print telling young boys that they are causes of many of the problems we have in society today, constantly knocking them and never building them them up then don’t be surprised when they turn to the likes of Andrew Tate.
I thought the Tory solution was for people to get on their bikes…
Having gone to school with working class white boys, its because their parents care the least about school plus the usual reasons girls make better students, which is the reason lower class white girls do better.
I absolutely guarantee you, as a WWC boy who went to a WWC school, if there are students who want to learn, they won’t get left behind.
But most of my peers were incredibly content not to learn or engage with school much at all. The idea that WWC boys are chomping at the bit to be educated and schools are refusing to is ridiculous.
And before you say “they need more help” the ones who misbehaved and fucked around and struggled in class got the most help. At a certain point you have to start looking at the culture and attitudes to education.
You can lead a horse to water…
Yes. You’ve been saying this for decades. What’s your actual plan.
Just punishment for being responsible for adolescence /s
In terms of the racial element, how much of this divides down to rural vs. urban?
With Minorities living in higher density locations that benefit from larger economies of scale when investing into education. Large city schools are struggling, can only imagine how bad smaller rural schools are doing.
I don’t think *anyone* in Bridlington is doing well.
council or other tax reductions during the school term for families whose children are getting bad grades will go far.