It’s hard to plan an uprising when you’re afraid of being hanged everyday
No-Engineer4627 on
In a way, the war might have temporarily strengthened the regime’s popularity for fighting back against foreign attacks.
jphamlore on
I hardly believe that Mossad would ever make such a promise.
Virtual-History-6099 on
The reality is more nuanced on that. This comes off as attempts to shift blame to the Mossad chief David Barnea, when it appears Netanyahu was the one being overly optimistic.
“The [Channel 12] report stressed that the Mossad chief provided disclaimers and qualifications, and noted both that the situation was developing and that achieving the desired ends could take a long time.”
“The Post understands that anyone familiar with Barnea and his major calls during the last few years of war would know that he consistently presents predictions with many qualifications and almost never talks about massive change being inevitable.”
“When Uvda reported that, on the eve of war, Barnea presented before Netanyahu his prediction that toppling the Iranian regime was possible, it was only later in the article that some of the conditions that Barnea would have placed upon his prediction were detailed.
The report vaguely noted that the Mossad chief ‘had reservations regarding a developing real-time situation and regarding the amount of time that it was likely to take.'”
“The report then blames Netanyahu and Trump for being overly optimistic about the Iran war leading to regime change, which is against predictions by US officials ‘and some other officials in other Israeli intelligence agencies.’
Next, the report goes on to portray Netanyahu as being impatient with the Mossad’s failure to bring about regime change during the early days of the war, which risks losing support from Trump.
‘No evidence of differing opinion’
Once again, there is no evidence that the Mossad expressed an opinion different from what the IDF has said publicly: that military force can, at most, create the conditions for the process of a post-war regime change.”
“In light of recent reports of Netanyahu’s frustration that protests in Iran have not resumed in recent weeks, it appears that even on the eve of the war, the political echelon was presented with a relatively cautious assessment of the regime’s collapse scenario. Mossad chief David Barnea estimated in the cabinet that the overthrow of the Iranian regime, if it occurs, is only expected at a late stage of the campaign. ‘The process of overthrowing the regime could last many months, even a year,’ he estimated before the war” – Hebrew quote from a Channel 12 article translated through my phone.
My name is Bibi. Look upon my works ye mighty and despair!
Respond7840 on
Looks like they’re not so invincible after all.
steve_ample on
Promise? That’s something like Hegseth or Miller might do to Trump, where probabilities and risks aren’t a thing.
vincedarling on
See Deadpool would call this a wishful guess
Haunting_Reflections on
The messed up part is that be starting this war now they may have destroyed any chance at social upheaval in Iran for all of our lifetimes.
They could have supported local popular uprising, but no the needed to start a war.
dianas_pool_boy on
Ukraine demonstrated what gasoline, senior citizens with nothing to lose could do. Everyone has a plan to subjugate the public until they are on fire. Deisel, sterno and a sock folks.
magicaldingus on
Really testing the loyalty of his fans on this one. Hard to believe even hardcore Bibiphiles would side with him over the motherfucking Mossad.
If only he said this right before the election.
LOHare on
Wait an organization whose very motto is to the effect of “with deception you shall wage war” deceived someone about war?!
McCoy818 on
imagine being frustrated that your intelligence agency couldnt just overthrow a government on command. like its a dinner reservation that fell through
hurdurnotavailable on
What is this nonsense. Iranian ppl are literally told not to go out and to wait until the time is right. Who says that they should’ve done this yet? They’re waiting until irgc is weakened further and air strikes mostly stop.
MostJudgment3212 on
lol Trump must be furious with Bibi so Bibi is looking for a scapegoat. The supposed regime change was definitely expected to be on Israel, and I guarantee that Trump either fired or ignored people who told him about the most likely outcomes of this affair.
lyovacain on
He did the same mistake putin made
Ranger_242 on
Watching these chickenhawks fail at playing war is the only bright spot in an otherwise very grim situation. I feel for all the soldiers on both sides having to sacrifice for these clearly inept morons.
outsidenewyork on
Nobody believes him. 100% false pretense about this pretense…
dawgblogit on
its hard to plan an uprising when the person you plan with is known to be unreliable.
Forgotmyaccount1979 on
Why do countries, time and again, always expect to be greeted as liberators?
It is not as common as these bloated assholes think.
srout_fed on
I’m waiting for the day of Israeli elections and for the good of all for this baboon to be thrown out of power.
I hate the idea of Iran being governed by religious fanatics but the fact that Netanyahu and Trump seem to make those bastards seem saner and that makes me even more angry.
Fell short? What did you think? You’ll bomb schools and Iranians will say let’s overthrow our regime? What kind of idiotic strategy is that?
dumbnaturedude on
These things take time…. Can’t expect a politician to understand that.
BShep_OLDBSN on
Who could have imagined that bombing children’s schools and hospitals would unite iranian people against the invaders? s/
chumbubbles on
Maybe that’s because they sat back and watched while protesters got mowed down and then were like “hey do you want some help?” After the fact
Buck_Folton on
That title gave me a 40-second stroke.
FenricOllo on
Well Iran killed like 20k+ protesters not too long ago that would have probably been instrumental in an uprising.
DillDeer on
Hard to physically overthrow your government when your “support” is bombing you and your fellow citizens constantly now isn’t it?
SpliTTMark on
Why does the title read like Frankenstein is talking
Different-Fly4561 on
I’m pretty sure the Mossad delivered what was asked from them!
—Who are the heads in the Iranian government,
—where they are, and access to them,
—regime change is a completely different beast,
It requires an open line of communication with some sort of opposition group within the country, and if that existed, they were all slaughtered during the protests prior to this preemptive offensive operations.
adrkhrse on
Rumsfeld’s old fantasy has never worked.
monstersam_8 on
How does this link takes 2 GB memory just to open it on Chrome? LOL!
HNL2BOS on
– opposition suffered huge losses during protests
– being bombed by foreign nations day and night
– no actual equipment or training to mount a rebellion
– regime seems to still be in power
How is any opposition force supposed to do anything at all?
grrrown on
“We will be greeted as liberators”.
No-Low-5186 on
I legitimately cannot comprehend how Israel messed this up. They should have known the regime is incredibly deep rooted. It’s a hydra – cutting off heads just doesn’t work. They fucked up real bad
Tutorbin76 on
Like, in person, or another spokesman?
Stable_Orange_Genius on
Netanyahu knows how easy it is to manipulate Trump
r2002 on
Netanyahu loves the current situation. He doesn’t want an effective uprising from the Iranian people to establish a permanent, Democratic government.
What he actually wants is an forever war that drags in all the parties in the region so he can stay in power. Because the moment peace comes he will be prosecuted for his crimes.
PlainBread on
Both Trump and Netanyahu are dumbasses who think they can bluster other people into submission.
CabSauce on
Maybe the time to do an uprising was before the regime killed 30,000 of the people who would be most interested. Just an idea.
dontlooktothesky on
Christ had a pretty harsh judgement by you people and the Romans.
hypatianata on
You mean bombing people’s neighborhoods and causing mass panic, and then telling them to try and overthrow their government while they know officials are sitting in a bunker somewhere safely redistributing security forces didn’t work?!
And then sniping more heads off the hydra and bombing more cities didn’t work again?! Are you sure we don’t just need to try it a third time?
Who could have predicted that not caring for human life doesn’t inspire humans to die for you like lemmings “encouraged” to run off a cliff?
Look, if you’re going to set Iranians free ~~to get a friendlier government~~ then actually do it. But these molasses brains are wannabe dictators themselves – it’s like asking an abuser to help abuse victims.
RabbitCity6090 on
Speaks more about the resilience of the iranian people.
JesusWuta40oz on
I don’t believe a word that man says. This crisis is manufactured. “Two weeks away from a nuke” FOR. THE. LAST. TWENTY. F-ING. YEARS.
This is called kids, “shifting the blame”. Done by weasel faced rat f*cks.
Razzler1973 on
Trump name checked ‘advisors’ that informed him and now Netanyahu is looking for a scapegoat
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man makes plans and god laughs
It’s hard to plan an uprising when you’re afraid of being hanged everyday
In a way, the war might have temporarily strengthened the regime’s popularity for fighting back against foreign attacks.
I hardly believe that Mossad would ever make such a promise.
The reality is more nuanced on that. This comes off as attempts to shift blame to the Mossad chief David Barnea, when it appears Netanyahu was the one being overly optimistic.
“The [Channel 12] report stressed that the Mossad chief provided disclaimers and qualifications, and noted both that the situation was developing and that achieving the desired ends could take a long time.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/mossad-chief-told-pm-before-war-that-he-thought-irans-regime-could-be-toppled-report/
“The Post understands that anyone familiar with Barnea and his major calls during the last few years of war would know that he consistently presents predictions with many qualifications and almost never talks about massive change being inevitable.”
“When Uvda reported that, on the eve of war, Barnea presented before Netanyahu his prediction that toppling the Iranian regime was possible, it was only later in the article that some of the conditions that Barnea would have placed upon his prediction were detailed.
The report vaguely noted that the Mossad chief ‘had reservations regarding a developing real-time situation and regarding the amount of time that it was likely to take.'”
“The report then blames Netanyahu and Trump for being overly optimistic about the Iran war leading to regime change, which is against predictions by US officials ‘and some other officials in other Israeli intelligence agencies.’
Next, the report goes on to portray Netanyahu as being impatient with the Mossad’s failure to bring about regime change during the early days of the war, which risks losing support from Trump.
‘No evidence of differing opinion’
Once again, there is no evidence that the Mossad expressed an opinion different from what the IDF has said publicly: that military force can, at most, create the conditions for the process of a post-war regime change.”
https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-890936
“In light of recent reports of Netanyahu’s frustration that protests in Iran have not resumed in recent weeks, it appears that even on the eve of the war, the political echelon was presented with a relatively cautious assessment of the regime’s collapse scenario. Mossad chief David Barnea estimated in the cabinet that the overthrow of the Iranian regime, if it occurs, is only expected at a late stage of the campaign. ‘The process of overthrowing the regime could last many months, even a year,’ he estimated before the war” – Hebrew quote from a Channel 12 article translated through my phone.
https://www.mako.co.il/news-military/Israel_iran_war/Article-846a5fee69b1d91026.htm
My name is Bibi. Look upon my works ye mighty and despair!
Looks like they’re not so invincible after all.
Promise? That’s something like Hegseth or Miller might do to Trump, where probabilities and risks aren’t a thing.
See Deadpool would call this a wishful guess
The messed up part is that be starting this war now they may have destroyed any chance at social upheaval in Iran for all of our lifetimes.
They could have supported local popular uprising, but no the needed to start a war.
Ukraine demonstrated what gasoline, senior citizens with nothing to lose could do. Everyone has a plan to subjugate the public until they are on fire. Deisel, sterno and a sock folks.
Really testing the loyalty of his fans on this one. Hard to believe even hardcore Bibiphiles would side with him over the motherfucking Mossad.
If only he said this right before the election.
Wait an organization whose very motto is to the effect of “with deception you shall wage war” deceived someone about war?!
imagine being frustrated that your intelligence agency couldnt just overthrow a government on command. like its a dinner reservation that fell through
What is this nonsense. Iranian ppl are literally told not to go out and to wait until the time is right. Who says that they should’ve done this yet? They’re waiting until irgc is weakened further and air strikes mostly stop.
lol Trump must be furious with Bibi so Bibi is looking for a scapegoat. The supposed regime change was definitely expected to be on Israel, and I guarantee that Trump either fired or ignored people who told him about the most likely outcomes of this affair.
He did the same mistake putin made
Watching these chickenhawks fail at playing war is the only bright spot in an otherwise very grim situation. I feel for all the soldiers on both sides having to sacrifice for these clearly inept morons.
Nobody believes him. 100% false pretense about this pretense…
its hard to plan an uprising when the person you plan with is known to be unreliable.
Why do countries, time and again, always expect to be greeted as liberators?
It is not as common as these bloated assholes think.
I’m waiting for the day of Israeli elections and for the good of all for this baboon to be thrown out of power.
I hate the idea of Iran being governed by religious fanatics but the fact that Netanyahu and Trump seem to make those bastards seem saner and that makes me even more angry.
Fell short? What did you think? You’ll bomb schools and Iranians will say let’s overthrow our regime? What kind of idiotic strategy is that?
These things take time…. Can’t expect a politician to understand that.
Who could have imagined that bombing children’s schools and hospitals would unite iranian people against the invaders? s/
Maybe that’s because they sat back and watched while protesters got mowed down and then were like “hey do you want some help?” After the fact
That title gave me a 40-second stroke.
Well Iran killed like 20k+ protesters not too long ago that would have probably been instrumental in an uprising.
Hard to physically overthrow your government when your “support” is bombing you and your fellow citizens constantly now isn’t it?
Why does the title read like Frankenstein is talking
I’m pretty sure the Mossad delivered what was asked from them!
—Who are the heads in the Iranian government,
—where they are, and access to them,
—regime change is a completely different beast,
It requires an open line of communication with some sort of opposition group within the country, and if that existed, they were all slaughtered during the protests prior to this preemptive offensive operations.
Rumsfeld’s old fantasy has never worked.
How does this link takes 2 GB memory just to open it on Chrome? LOL!
– opposition suffered huge losses during protests
– being bombed by foreign nations day and night
– no actual equipment or training to mount a rebellion
– regime seems to still be in power
How is any opposition force supposed to do anything at all?
“We will be greeted as liberators”.
I legitimately cannot comprehend how Israel messed this up. They should have known the regime is incredibly deep rooted. It’s a hydra – cutting off heads just doesn’t work. They fucked up real bad
Like, in person, or another spokesman?
Netanyahu knows how easy it is to manipulate Trump
Netanyahu loves the current situation. He doesn’t want an effective uprising from the Iranian people to establish a permanent, Democratic government.
What he actually wants is an forever war that drags in all the parties in the region so he can stay in power. Because the moment peace comes he will be prosecuted for his crimes.
Both Trump and Netanyahu are dumbasses who think they can bluster other people into submission.
Maybe the time to do an uprising was before the regime killed 30,000 of the people who would be most interested. Just an idea.
Christ had a pretty harsh judgement by you people and the Romans.
You mean bombing people’s neighborhoods and causing mass panic, and then telling them to try and overthrow their government while they know officials are sitting in a bunker somewhere safely redistributing security forces didn’t work?!
And then sniping more heads off the hydra and bombing more cities didn’t work again?! Are you sure we don’t just need to try it a third time?
Who could have predicted that not caring for human life doesn’t inspire humans to die for you like lemmings “encouraged” to run off a cliff?
Look, if you’re going to set Iranians free ~~to get a friendlier government~~ then actually do it. But these molasses brains are wannabe dictators themselves – it’s like asking an abuser to help abuse victims.
Speaks more about the resilience of the iranian people.
I don’t believe a word that man says. This crisis is manufactured. “Two weeks away from a nuke” FOR. THE. LAST. TWENTY. F-ING. YEARS.
This is called kids, “shifting the blame”. Done by weasel faced rat f*cks.
Trump name checked ‘advisors’ that informed him and now Netanyahu is looking for a scapegoat