No kidding, it seems like a no brainer, still wondering why Canada hasn’t figured this out.
PowderPills on
> The new requirement would make it easier to withdraw residence permits for migrants.
> “Following laws and rules is a given, but it must also be a given that we do our best to live responsibly and not harm our country,” Migration Minister Johan Forssell told a press conference.
> “If, for example, you ignore paying your debts, if you don’t comply with decisions from Swedish authorities, if you cheat the benefits system, if you cheat your way to a Swedish residence permit… then you do not have the right to be here,” Forssell said.
> Other examples the government cited as examples included working without paying taxes or not paying fines.
> “Statements — that is, things a person says or expresses — should not in themselves be regarded as evidence of lack of honest living, but they may be an indication of, for example, links to violent extremism, which can then be a sign of deficient character,” Ludvig Aspling, migration policy spokesman for the anti-immigration Sweden Democrats which is propping up the government, told reporters.
> The government was also proposing that residence permits could be revoked in more unrelated situations, such as in cases of migrants being considered a threat or if they were discovered to have lied on their applications.
> If passed by parliament, the changes would go into effect on July 13.
Assuming you can trust the government there, it seems reasonable? Although things are usually not so black and white.
William_T_Wanker on
we need to follow suit
Pitzy0 on
Keeping people honest, knowing people are doing their part when immigrating builds respect and trust.
This is a good strategy on many fronts.
GarnetOblivion1 on
So it’s fine for other countries to do this.
river_tree_nut on
This is not a radical position. We need more conversations like these to kneecap the anti-immigrant rhetoric. The expectation that immigrants will assimilate and adopt social rules and norms is a key piece of any immigration policy. Sweden is actually doing something productive about it.
Tiny-Run5590 on
Go back a decade or two and they called us danes racists for not blindly letting in everyone from the middle east lmao.
dearbokeh on
Immigration is not a right.
Helping in place is better.
intelligentx5 on
I know folks are very much in an anti-deportation mode in the US but if you have individuals that are truly not adding value to the economy, this is a good option.
I wish we had a point based immigration system that focuses on competency and education. With examinations to prove capacity and capability.
_ii_ on
Yeah, I’d like my house guests to be honest and polite too.
RoleTall2025 on
People who migrate to other countries need to assimilate and adhere to the cultural norms of the host – period.
Was naive to think people from war torn countries would suddenly be “western” and, i dont know, not piss on the pavement.
RadioFieldCorner on
Good. If you can’t assimilate, get out. Europe cooked themselves by opening their borders, this is the least they can do to mitigate the problem.
God forbid a western country wants to keep its culture and heritage alive. It’s okay for all other countries to do it, but not Western apparently. Thankfully this toxic mindset of being called a racist for challenging anything related to immigration is going away. This new generation is changing, for the better.
Their ancestors fought for thousands of years to defend their borders against countless different empires/barbarians/literal evil like Nazi Germany, only for them to be taken over internally by people who don’t even respect their host.
A lot of these European cities aren’t even recognizable from what they were 20 years ago.
poorat8686 on
The western people don’t need immigrants snd are only harmed by their presence. It’s morally wrong to endanger your neighbors by importing backwards and inferior cultures and the awful seeds of humanity that created them.
Gentleman_Nosferatu on
This is good.
CisseV on
Election year in Sweden so of course everyone is gonna try and propose shit that they know they’re not going to be able to pass due to either constitutional or EU law.
Motor-Region-1011 on
All of Europe needs to do this before it’s to late.
woo2fly21 on
This should not be controversial in the slightest.
dougisnotabitch on
Well now the question will be, “what will you do with those deemed deportable?” Will you wait and allow them to self deport? Or shut off any social welfare programs once allotted to them? Or will local police turn them over to immigration authorities if they commit criminal acts? Or will half of your country fight tooth against nail against all of the above?
Smackolol on
Damn I wish Canada would figure this out.
BillianForsee94 on
This is objectively a good thing. Immigration itself is *not* a bad thing, but immigrants should be adding value to a country rather than draining resources. This is common sense.
Edit: generally this is getting upvoted, but sometimes I wonder how something like this possibly receives *any* downvotes. What is there to disagree with?
PubTrain77 on
Make this mainstream!
FacetiousInvective2 on
Yea this makes sense. I would also ban people working without contracts (and punish the contractors who do this)
disisathrowaway on
I fail to find an issue here.
The only way immigration works is if those coming to a new country do so with the intent of being honest, productive members of their newly adopted home and assimilate *to a degree*.
Keep your music, your food, your art, your god(s) and traditions. But moving to a modern, tolerant democracy and wanting to subvert or change or ignore it is not acceptable.
Being good migrants also means helping to curb much of the anti-immigration rhetoric. Showing up to a new country and then acting up will only hurt you.
CanadianControlsTech on
More countries should adopt this.
Reload-Ferret995 on
Good job swedes! Keep it up.
EliselD on
As an immigrant myself: this is the way to do it. Immigration itself isn’t bad. The bad thing is the immigrants not willing to integrate in the communities and choosing instead to take advantage of the system and the people’s kindness. You either follow the rules and respect the society you chose to be part of or you get the fuck back to whatever place you came from.
dew_chiggi on
Shouldn’t this be the bare minimum? Why do people migrate anyway? If not for employment and better living, there is no reason these guys can reap the benefits of tax payers money in a developed country.
whobla10 on
This is what we need to do in Canada. However anytime a Canadian makes a comment they’re suddenly a bigot
Ardalev on
I doubt much will, or can, be done about the harder criminal elements involved in those “less than honestly living” immigrants, but even just admitting that there is a discussion to be had might be the first needed step forward.
Time will tell.
IceManbrrr on
“If, for example, you ignore paying your debts, if you don’t comply with decisions from Swedish authorities, if you cheat the benefits system, if you cheat your way to a Swedish residence permit… then you do not have the right to be here,” Forssell said.”
I mean this is beyond reasonable. Imagine i invite you into my house but you go around changing things when you’re simply a ‘guest’. Clearly i would kick you out ASAP.
vapodgaming on
The model that should be followed
big-papito on
As is their right. If you are taken in from the cold, at least do your part and TRY to assimilate. This country is doing you a favor. Return it.
ratkingdds on
Sweden finally wants to be safe again lol. What took them so long
SquishGUTS on
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Standard-Stock-5912 on
First world countries finally waking up
CyanConatus on
The title makes it sound like right wing extremism. But it’s not immigrants and the listed issues are literally migrants that are breaking the law or intentionally circumventing taxes.
This is actually completely fair. If I were to visit Sweden on a work visa. I would expect myself to follow their laws. Or lose my work visa
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No kidding, it seems like a no brainer, still wondering why Canada hasn’t figured this out.
> The new requirement would make it easier to withdraw residence permits for migrants.
> “Following laws and rules is a given, but it must also be a given that we do our best to live responsibly and not harm our country,” Migration Minister Johan Forssell told a press conference.
> “If, for example, you ignore paying your debts, if you don’t comply with decisions from Swedish authorities, if you cheat the benefits system, if you cheat your way to a Swedish residence permit… then you do not have the right to be here,” Forssell said.
> Other examples the government cited as examples included working without paying taxes or not paying fines.
> “Statements — that is, things a person says or expresses — should not in themselves be regarded as evidence of lack of honest living, but they may be an indication of, for example, links to violent extremism, which can then be a sign of deficient character,” Ludvig Aspling, migration policy spokesman for the anti-immigration Sweden Democrats which is propping up the government, told reporters.
> The government was also proposing that residence permits could be revoked in more unrelated situations, such as in cases of migrants being considered a threat or if they were discovered to have lied on their applications.
> If passed by parliament, the changes would go into effect on July 13.
Assuming you can trust the government there, it seems reasonable? Although things are usually not so black and white.
we need to follow suit
Keeping people honest, knowing people are doing their part when immigrating builds respect and trust.
This is a good strategy on many fronts.
So it’s fine for other countries to do this.
This is not a radical position. We need more conversations like these to kneecap the anti-immigrant rhetoric. The expectation that immigrants will assimilate and adopt social rules and norms is a key piece of any immigration policy. Sweden is actually doing something productive about it.
Go back a decade or two and they called us danes racists for not blindly letting in everyone from the middle east lmao.
Immigration is not a right.
Helping in place is better.
I know folks are very much in an anti-deportation mode in the US but if you have individuals that are truly not adding value to the economy, this is a good option.
I wish we had a point based immigration system that focuses on competency and education. With examinations to prove capacity and capability.
Yeah, I’d like my house guests to be honest and polite too.
People who migrate to other countries need to assimilate and adhere to the cultural norms of the host – period.
Was naive to think people from war torn countries would suddenly be “western” and, i dont know, not piss on the pavement.
Good. If you can’t assimilate, get out. Europe cooked themselves by opening their borders, this is the least they can do to mitigate the problem.
God forbid a western country wants to keep its culture and heritage alive. It’s okay for all other countries to do it, but not Western apparently. Thankfully this toxic mindset of being called a racist for challenging anything related to immigration is going away. This new generation is changing, for the better.
Their ancestors fought for thousands of years to defend their borders against countless different empires/barbarians/literal evil like Nazi Germany, only for them to be taken over internally by people who don’t even respect their host.
A lot of these European cities aren’t even recognizable from what they were 20 years ago.
The western people don’t need immigrants snd are only harmed by their presence. It’s morally wrong to endanger your neighbors by importing backwards and inferior cultures and the awful seeds of humanity that created them.
This is good.
Election year in Sweden so of course everyone is gonna try and propose shit that they know they’re not going to be able to pass due to either constitutional or EU law.
All of Europe needs to do this before it’s to late.
This should not be controversial in the slightest.
Well now the question will be, “what will you do with those deemed deportable?” Will you wait and allow them to self deport? Or shut off any social welfare programs once allotted to them? Or will local police turn them over to immigration authorities if they commit criminal acts? Or will half of your country fight tooth against nail against all of the above?
Damn I wish Canada would figure this out.
This is objectively a good thing. Immigration itself is *not* a bad thing, but immigrants should be adding value to a country rather than draining resources. This is common sense.
Edit: generally this is getting upvoted, but sometimes I wonder how something like this possibly receives *any* downvotes. What is there to disagree with?
Make this mainstream!
Yea this makes sense. I would also ban people working without contracts (and punish the contractors who do this)
I fail to find an issue here.
The only way immigration works is if those coming to a new country do so with the intent of being honest, productive members of their newly adopted home and assimilate *to a degree*.
Keep your music, your food, your art, your god(s) and traditions. But moving to a modern, tolerant democracy and wanting to subvert or change or ignore it is not acceptable.
Being good migrants also means helping to curb much of the anti-immigration rhetoric. Showing up to a new country and then acting up will only hurt you.
More countries should adopt this.
Good job swedes! Keep it up.
As an immigrant myself: this is the way to do it. Immigration itself isn’t bad. The bad thing is the immigrants not willing to integrate in the communities and choosing instead to take advantage of the system and the people’s kindness. You either follow the rules and respect the society you chose to be part of or you get the fuck back to whatever place you came from.
Shouldn’t this be the bare minimum? Why do people migrate anyway? If not for employment and better living, there is no reason these guys can reap the benefits of tax payers money in a developed country.
This is what we need to do in Canada. However anytime a Canadian makes a comment they’re suddenly a bigot
I doubt much will, or can, be done about the harder criminal elements involved in those “less than honestly living” immigrants, but even just admitting that there is a discussion to be had might be the first needed step forward.
Time will tell.
“If, for example, you ignore paying your debts, if you don’t comply with decisions from Swedish authorities, if you cheat the benefits system, if you cheat your way to a Swedish residence permit… then you do not have the right to be here,” Forssell said.”
I mean this is beyond reasonable. Imagine i invite you into my house but you go around changing things when you’re simply a ‘guest’. Clearly i would kick you out ASAP.
The model that should be followed
As is their right. If you are taken in from the cold, at least do your part and TRY to assimilate. This country is doing you a favor. Return it.
Sweden finally wants to be safe again lol. What took them so long
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First world countries finally waking up
The title makes it sound like right wing extremism. But it’s not immigrants and the listed issues are literally migrants that are breaking the law or intentionally circumventing taxes.
This is actually completely fair. If I were to visit Sweden on a work visa. I would expect myself to follow their laws. Or lose my work visa
Sounds similar to complaints in America
Do they mean vibe coders and tictoc influencers?