When did this country become so cruel to innocent minorities?
Actual-Photograph794 on
If the threat of trans girls is severe enough to force their removal from the Girl Guides, why are they not immediately ejected? Surely that puts cis girl guides in danger until September.
It’s almost as if this is entirely ideological and nothing to do with safety at all
Anyales on
So we are literally picking on little girls now, i absolutely hate this entire movement.
Let people live their lives and keep your intolerance to yourself.
clickityclickk on
just being hateful for the sake of it. surely there are much bigger problems.
Archistotle on
The woodcraft folk, however, remains both gender neutral and more deserving of support.
Just saying.
I_am_legend-ary on
Absolutely absurd that they didn’t stick to their principles
They should exclude anyone that has shown to be a risk to the safety of the other guides irrespective of their genitalia
dewittless on
Utterly despicable. As a former Scout I’m horrified and deeply saddened by this. I was looking forward to sending my own daughter one day, will not until they reverse this decision.
EDIT: It does appear that Scouts and Girl guides are actually different organisations, Scouts remain trans inclusive.
circleribbey on
Seems so bizzare to me that girls and boys, whether trans or cis, are allowed in the scouts, but the guides are only for cis girls. But at the same time, the girl guides association was opposed to the scouts becoming more inclusive. Do these women simply want trans people excluded from society?
0_f2 on
I wonder how many troops will just go by ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’? Apparently the Women’s Institutes will be ‘enforcing’ their trans ban by simply asking for sex at birth without actually asking for proof, which would mean groups that want to be trans inclusive can just turn a blind eye and play ignorant.
It’s similar for the Labour Women’s Conference this year, they’ll apparently just check your ID, which is trivial to change in this country.
pipopipopipop on
The mad thing is, when I was a kid in the 90s there were some boys in my Girl Guides group. I hindsight they were likely trans or questioning their identity, but I didn’t really think anything about it at all. They were just other kids who wanted to get a First Aid badge or go camping. There’s never been uproar about this until now and it’s completely manufactured.
FuzzBuket on
Can Joanne just go back to her mouldy fucking castle and glinner can contine not seeing his kids.
Cause it’s absurd how the threat of a few wealthy folk can just bully organisations like this. Sure at the Olympics being on any drug or any physical differences may matter. But there’s gotta be like less than a dozen trans girl guides in this country.
We are depriving little girls of some joy and friendship for what, a competitive edge at hopscotch? If any girl, trans or no was being a creep at guides they’d get kicked anyway, so it’s clearly not about safety.
Why are a few rich lunatics (and a lot of well funded think tanks) able to scapegoat and bully such a small minority for fun. It’s just cruel.
LuinAelin on
That’s probably like 3 girls. Just seems pointless
jeanclaudebrowncloud on
Pathetic, would rather pander to hateful people than actually care for kids wellbeing. Yankification is ruining the UK.
jenny_905 on
All this because a shitty children’s author can’t put her glass down.
Catherine_S1234 on
How many trans people is even being asked to leave? Is it even more than 10?
All this fuss, attention, fear mongering and hatred ultimately just to make the lives of a handful of people worse off for no reason
It’s like when there is a debate about trans women in women’s prisons in Scotland when there was 7 total in the entire country
supermegaburt on
Should open the Guides up to both boys and girls. The Scouts have why shouldn’t the Guides do it as well
ZebraShark on
My wife works with Women’s Institute which has also announced that they’ve had to remove trans women from groups across the UK. Understandably many groups oppose this and it’s led to either splinter orgs or many local groups being disbanded, and members walking away.
I don’t see how ‘protecting women’ aligns with seeing one of the biggest orgs supporting women in the country being damaged by this decision. It’s why I’m sceptical of a lot of the anti-trans arguments as think it’s masking a lot of people who want to strip rights from women more widely.
Y-Bob on
This makes me cross.
There’s no need to be cruel, I should imagine the numbers aren’t massive but even if it only hurts one kid it’s terribly wrong.
Anyone can join cubs, quite why this mean spirited decision was made is quite unfathomable.
They’re kids. Horrible adults.
oharu on
Trans people bad
Immigrants bad
Your daily UK news cycle
swoopstheowl on
I have been a leader / volunteer with Girl Guiding for most of my adult life, and I stopped last year when they made this decision, alongside a number of others. It’s such a deep shame.
icantbearsed on
Why is the scouts open to people of all genders but not the guides?
Mjukplister on
Im genuinely curious exactly how many little trans girls are in the GG and will be booted out as a result of this ? Are we looking at a small handful here ? Seems like such a small issue to warrant such a drastic move .
indianajoes on
It’s deranged how much these fuckers care about making life harder for such a small group of the population who just want to live their lives as equals
smity31 on
Honestly, I think Girlguiding went the wrong way about this, in that they should have just started allowing boys to join.
Not only would it completely nullify the supposed “issues” with trans girls wanting to be guides, but as a Cub and Scout leader myself I have had a number of cis boys come through scouts through the years that frankly would have probably enjoyed the stuff the local Guides got up to more than what we did in Scouts.
Merpedy on
The [article](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7n921wyzvo) from when the decision was originally made mentions that the organisation was reportedly facing legal action from a parent for failing to follow the law following that one ruling
Which is insane.
I can sort of entertain some discussion about toilets and other single sex spaces – though it’s very limited discussion as I feel that the issue is mainly overblown – but this is insane.
Old_Housing3989 on
Remember when they told us that legal ruling was “merely a technicality of interpretation” and nothing would change.
Bartellomio on
I don’t regret voting Labour – the only alternative in my constituency was the Tories. But when did they become so *cruel?* I really don’t get the obsession with fucking over trans people. There’s so few of them, and they just want to get on with their lives.
mancunian101 on
They could just change the name to the Guides and let anyone male or female join.
Anyone male or female can join the Beavers, Cubs, and Scouts.
I don’t think there are any girls in my son’s Beavers group, but all the adult staff are women.
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asjonesy99 on
Unnecessarily cruel for the sake of being cruel.
Not even comparable to something like sports where there’s a legitimate debate to be had over fairness.
No little girls are missing out on anything because a little trans girl has joined their girl guides group.
pepperino132 on
Right. Great. What a relief that disaster is averted. (/S)
What the fuck are we doing?
mittfh on
What’s ideally needed is for someone to set up an inclusive (unisex) alternative to the Guides, that transplants as much of the ethos / activities etc as can be without treading on any Scouting / Guiding IP; ideally with a backer who can help get nationwide / International groups established.
Volotor on
I swear when the High Court ruling was made people said this sort of thing wouldn’t be happening, but then when the Cass Review came out people said it wouldn’t lead to a denial of care and an expansion in conversion therapy.
appletinicyclone on
If we were a sensible country you could just have a bio gender for anything NHS related and on bare minimum formal documentation where it’s super important to know the genetic sex of the person
And then for everything else just have it as preferred gender, and as for when it gets to NB I don’t know
But atleast for transgirls and transboys they could get some sense of stability instead of whatever mess this is where we are pulling teens out of guides just because of the court ruling and jk Rowling
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When did this country become so cruel to innocent minorities?
If the threat of trans girls is severe enough to force their removal from the Girl Guides, why are they not immediately ejected? Surely that puts cis girl guides in danger until September.
It’s almost as if this is entirely ideological and nothing to do with safety at all
So we are literally picking on little girls now, i absolutely hate this entire movement.
Let people live their lives and keep your intolerance to yourself.
just being hateful for the sake of it. surely there are much bigger problems.
The woodcraft folk, however, remains both gender neutral and more deserving of support.
Just saying.
Absolutely absurd that they didn’t stick to their principles
They should exclude anyone that has shown to be a risk to the safety of the other guides irrespective of their genitalia
Utterly despicable. As a former Scout I’m horrified and deeply saddened by this. I was looking forward to sending my own daughter one day, will not until they reverse this decision.
EDIT: It does appear that Scouts and Girl guides are actually different organisations, Scouts remain trans inclusive.
Seems so bizzare to me that girls and boys, whether trans or cis, are allowed in the scouts, but the guides are only for cis girls. But at the same time, the girl guides association was opposed to the scouts becoming more inclusive. Do these women simply want trans people excluded from society?
I wonder how many troops will just go by ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’? Apparently the Women’s Institutes will be ‘enforcing’ their trans ban by simply asking for sex at birth without actually asking for proof, which would mean groups that want to be trans inclusive can just turn a blind eye and play ignorant.
It’s similar for the Labour Women’s Conference this year, they’ll apparently just check your ID, which is trivial to change in this country.
The mad thing is, when I was a kid in the 90s there were some boys in my Girl Guides group. I hindsight they were likely trans or questioning their identity, but I didn’t really think anything about it at all. They were just other kids who wanted to get a First Aid badge or go camping. There’s never been uproar about this until now and it’s completely manufactured.
Can Joanne just go back to her mouldy fucking castle and glinner can contine not seeing his kids.
Cause it’s absurd how the threat of a few wealthy folk can just bully organisations like this. Sure at the Olympics being on any drug or any physical differences may matter. But there’s gotta be like less than a dozen trans girl guides in this country.
We are depriving little girls of some joy and friendship for what, a competitive edge at hopscotch? If any girl, trans or no was being a creep at guides they’d get kicked anyway, so it’s clearly not about safety.
Why are a few rich lunatics (and a lot of well funded think tanks) able to scapegoat and bully such a small minority for fun. It’s just cruel.
That’s probably like 3 girls. Just seems pointless
Pathetic, would rather pander to hateful people than actually care for kids wellbeing. Yankification is ruining the UK.
All this because a shitty children’s author can’t put her glass down.
How many trans people is even being asked to leave? Is it even more than 10?
All this fuss, attention, fear mongering and hatred ultimately just to make the lives of a handful of people worse off for no reason
It’s like when there is a debate about trans women in women’s prisons in Scotland when there was 7 total in the entire country
Should open the Guides up to both boys and girls. The Scouts have why shouldn’t the Guides do it as well
My wife works with Women’s Institute which has also announced that they’ve had to remove trans women from groups across the UK. Understandably many groups oppose this and it’s led to either splinter orgs or many local groups being disbanded, and members walking away.
I don’t see how ‘protecting women’ aligns with seeing one of the biggest orgs supporting women in the country being damaged by this decision. It’s why I’m sceptical of a lot of the anti-trans arguments as think it’s masking a lot of people who want to strip rights from women more widely.
This makes me cross.
There’s no need to be cruel, I should imagine the numbers aren’t massive but even if it only hurts one kid it’s terribly wrong.
Anyone can join cubs, quite why this mean spirited decision was made is quite unfathomable.
They’re kids. Horrible adults.
Trans people bad
Immigrants bad
Your daily UK news cycle
I have been a leader / volunteer with Girl Guiding for most of my adult life, and I stopped last year when they made this decision, alongside a number of others. It’s such a deep shame.
Why is the scouts open to people of all genders but not the guides?
Im genuinely curious exactly how many little trans girls are in the GG and will be booted out as a result of this ? Are we looking at a small handful here ? Seems like such a small issue to warrant such a drastic move .
It’s deranged how much these fuckers care about making life harder for such a small group of the population who just want to live their lives as equals
Honestly, I think Girlguiding went the wrong way about this, in that they should have just started allowing boys to join.
Not only would it completely nullify the supposed “issues” with trans girls wanting to be guides, but as a Cub and Scout leader myself I have had a number of cis boys come through scouts through the years that frankly would have probably enjoyed the stuff the local Guides got up to more than what we did in Scouts.
The [article](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cz7n921wyzvo) from when the decision was originally made mentions that the organisation was reportedly facing legal action from a parent for failing to follow the law following that one ruling
Which is insane.
I can sort of entertain some discussion about toilets and other single sex spaces – though it’s very limited discussion as I feel that the issue is mainly overblown – but this is insane.
Remember when they told us that legal ruling was “merely a technicality of interpretation” and nothing would change.
I don’t regret voting Labour – the only alternative in my constituency was the Tories. But when did they become so *cruel?* I really don’t get the obsession with fucking over trans people. There’s so few of them, and they just want to get on with their lives.
They could just change the name to the Guides and let anyone male or female join.
Anyone male or female can join the Beavers, Cubs, and Scouts.
I don’t think there are any girls in my son’s Beavers group, but all the adult staff are women.
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Unnecessarily cruel for the sake of being cruel.
Not even comparable to something like sports where there’s a legitimate debate to be had over fairness.
No little girls are missing out on anything because a little trans girl has joined their girl guides group.
Right. Great. What a relief that disaster is averted. (/S)
What the fuck are we doing?
What’s ideally needed is for someone to set up an inclusive (unisex) alternative to the Guides, that transplants as much of the ethos / activities etc as can be without treading on any Scouting / Guiding IP; ideally with a backer who can help get nationwide / International groups established.
I swear when the High Court ruling was made people said this sort of thing wouldn’t be happening, but then when the Cass Review came out people said it wouldn’t lead to a denial of care and an expansion in conversion therapy.
If we were a sensible country you could just have a bio gender for anything NHS related and on bare minimum formal documentation where it’s super important to know the genetic sex of the person
And then for everything else just have it as preferred gender, and as for when it gets to NB I don’t know
But atleast for transgirls and transboys they could get some sense of stability instead of whatever mess this is where we are pulling teens out of guides just because of the court ruling and jk Rowling