*Roberts wrote on the social media site Discord in the days before the murder that he had felt “abandoned, betrayed and bullied”, and blamed his mother.*
*He said that he was killing her for “revenge, justice, vengeance”, and so that he could move forward in his life.*
*Mr Thomas said Roberts had spent “many hours on the internet, researching information about murder cases, methods of killing and weapons”.*
*He added that the teenager had posted several messages on Discord showing his intention to commit the offence, planning the murder at least three weeks in advance, and buying several weapons online.*
Yea I wanna stop hearing people moaning about intervening in how boys are growing up to become dangerous incels.
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FlaviousTiberius on
>He said that he was killing her for “revenge, justice, vengeance”, and so that he could move forward in his life.
Move forward in his life to prison? Like what life did he think he was going to be ‘moving forwards’ to?
Sinocatk on
I just don’t get these weird incel types. “Women don’t like me for who I am” well change then dumbass. You expect women to be what you think they should be. How about change yourself to be what they want?
Go out, do some exercise, be nice, look beyond women as objects. Learn to laugh and be kind. Actually treat them as people.
Briggers95 on
There has to be more to it than that, no one becomes a murderer because the internet told them too. There’s always some pre-existing mental health shit going on. In the case of incels, it’s usually a cocktail of autism and childhood trauma.
TheAstroidIsComing on
Mental illness?
I wonder what she was like as a mother, how she treated him, and what the dynamic was like – that would lead a son to hate their mother so much.
My family history has a case of matricide, this was back in the 1940s: he was 15, short, and his mother had bullied him about being short “you’ll never be a real.man” etc for his entire life. Age 15: he snaps, gets a shotgun, blows her brains out – and spends the rest of his life rotting in psychiatric care.
I was only told about it when I was 18…but mostly the sympathies are with the son, and there is a sense of shame that he was never visited and abandoned in that way.
The big family secret…the consequences of which rippled through the generations until the present day…
Confident_Drop8326 on
Where are those people that said adolescence was not a true depiction of real life.
mokoe101 on
So this guy is obviously an absolute lunatic, and driven by the rising incel culture. I do wonder how much the lockdown had an effect on people like this. A generation that were already not socialising were then shut inside for 2 of their formative years. I’m sure he would’ve been dangerous anyway, I’m just curious if that period of time has exacerbated this problem in society
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I grew up as an undiagnosed ADHD and autism having kid. My mother was a politically motivated narcissist who could never let me have my own win, my own time to myself, or to ever do less than absolutely perfect. When I struggled with maths due to my disability, I wasn’t taken seriously to be helped, I was put in remedial classes that just concentrated the mental dismay and confusion.
I was doing bad and started acting out in school, stealing cash to emotionally eat, not doing work, and generally being distracted by disability until she had enough and tried to ‘remove’ me.
I went to some very dark places in those times and my mind sometimes wasn’t far off some of what that guy imagined. To try and free myself from being tormented to the point I would have total breakdowns.
I dread to imagine what a kid in my position would be like now, surrounded by the most toxic, the most extreme, because social media is based on shock value for clicks. It’s always the best and worst of humanity blasted into our minds.
I can possibly understand this kid without condoning his actions, but I definitely see how that pathway could exploit someone in a dark place.
We need to recalibrate our values away from profit and instead to focus value on the improvement of lives. If we can do that, then everything else can fall into place. Without profit driving us all to act like crabs in a bucket, we can have time, space, equity and actually not need all this alarmist shit designed to turn us against eachother to fight over scraps.
No-Signature8815 on
What an evil cretin, how could one end the life of their own mother?! May she rest in peace, and may he spend his life behind bars.
MeckityM00 on
My son is in the age range for incels and I’ve been quietly terrified for years.
One thing that I talked about with him was that there are all these podcasts, blogs and courses about being alpha or sigma or whatever else they’re promoting, but very few of the young men buying these courses, or supporting the ads on the blogs and podcats, are having a better life with lots of female attention, but the people *selling* those courses or profitting from the ads on the blogs and podcasts are making a fortune.
There are so many good men in my life, and it hurts me to see young lads turned away from what could be good lives to some very cold and unpleasant paths.
micre8tive on
Weirdly written article that keeps repeating itself and giving unnecessary info at weird points – he was deranged and clearly had a fantasy to kill someone he could take advantage of.
Like planning and researching the murder…announcing it on discord….recording (on a dictaphone no less) 4hrs of narrating the whole thing for an invisible ‘audience’, talking through the moments before, during and _after_ the murder of his poor mother?
No, that shit is far beyond any trending group or topic like incel or toxic masculinity (though 2 things can be true). That’s just pure sickness and malevolence.
22yrs isn’t enough time. Hopefully he comes to realise what he’s actually done in those dark moments in a cell – solitary ideally.
Budget_Stomach1633 on
I read this earlier on the bbc who didn’t explain a lot like why his mum needed a crutch.
Anyway it’s heart breaking.
She found his hammer and stuff in his room and he attacked her at home and talked her into walking to the local pub where he said was help at 3 am, she was either knocked silly or believed was good left and walked the park knowing probably.
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*Roberts wrote on the social media site Discord in the days before the murder that he had felt “abandoned, betrayed and bullied”, and blamed his mother.*
*He said that he was killing her for “revenge, justice, vengeance”, and so that he could move forward in his life.*
*Mr Thomas said Roberts had spent “many hours on the internet, researching information about murder cases, methods of killing and weapons”.*
*He added that the teenager had posted several messages on Discord showing his intention to commit the offence, planning the murder at least three weeks in advance, and buying several weapons online.*
Yea I wanna stop hearing people moaning about intervening in how boys are growing up to become dangerous incels.
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>He said that he was killing her for “revenge, justice, vengeance”, and so that he could move forward in his life.
Move forward in his life to prison? Like what life did he think he was going to be ‘moving forwards’ to?
I just don’t get these weird incel types. “Women don’t like me for who I am” well change then dumbass. You expect women to be what you think they should be. How about change yourself to be what they want?
Go out, do some exercise, be nice, look beyond women as objects. Learn to laugh and be kind. Actually treat them as people.
There has to be more to it than that, no one becomes a murderer because the internet told them too. There’s always some pre-existing mental health shit going on. In the case of incels, it’s usually a cocktail of autism and childhood trauma.
Mental illness?
I wonder what she was like as a mother, how she treated him, and what the dynamic was like – that would lead a son to hate their mother so much.
My family history has a case of matricide, this was back in the 1940s: he was 15, short, and his mother had bullied him about being short “you’ll never be a real.man” etc for his entire life. Age 15: he snaps, gets a shotgun, blows her brains out – and spends the rest of his life rotting in psychiatric care.
I was only told about it when I was 18…but mostly the sympathies are with the son, and there is a sense of shame that he was never visited and abandoned in that way.
The big family secret…the consequences of which rippled through the generations until the present day…
Where are those people that said adolescence was not a true depiction of real life.
So this guy is obviously an absolute lunatic, and driven by the rising incel culture. I do wonder how much the lockdown had an effect on people like this. A generation that were already not socialising were then shut inside for 2 of their formative years. I’m sure he would’ve been dangerous anyway, I’m just curious if that period of time has exacerbated this problem in society
I grew up as an undiagnosed ADHD and autism having kid. My mother was a politically motivated narcissist who could never let me have my own win, my own time to myself, or to ever do less than absolutely perfect. When I struggled with maths due to my disability, I wasn’t taken seriously to be helped, I was put in remedial classes that just concentrated the mental dismay and confusion.
I was doing bad and started acting out in school, stealing cash to emotionally eat, not doing work, and generally being distracted by disability until she had enough and tried to ‘remove’ me.
I went to some very dark places in those times and my mind sometimes wasn’t far off some of what that guy imagined. To try and free myself from being tormented to the point I would have total breakdowns.
I dread to imagine what a kid in my position would be like now, surrounded by the most toxic, the most extreme, because social media is based on shock value for clicks. It’s always the best and worst of humanity blasted into our minds.
I can possibly understand this kid without condoning his actions, but I definitely see how that pathway could exploit someone in a dark place.
We need to recalibrate our values away from profit and instead to focus value on the improvement of lives. If we can do that, then everything else can fall into place. Without profit driving us all to act like crabs in a bucket, we can have time, space, equity and actually not need all this alarmist shit designed to turn us against eachother to fight over scraps.
What an evil cretin, how could one end the life of their own mother?! May she rest in peace, and may he spend his life behind bars.
My son is in the age range for incels and I’ve been quietly terrified for years.
One thing that I talked about with him was that there are all these podcasts, blogs and courses about being alpha or sigma or whatever else they’re promoting, but very few of the young men buying these courses, or supporting the ads on the blogs and podcats, are having a better life with lots of female attention, but the people *selling* those courses or profitting from the ads on the blogs and podcasts are making a fortune.
There are so many good men in my life, and it hurts me to see young lads turned away from what could be good lives to some very cold and unpleasant paths.
Weirdly written article that keeps repeating itself and giving unnecessary info at weird points – he was deranged and clearly had a fantasy to kill someone he could take advantage of.
Like planning and researching the murder…announcing it on discord….recording (on a dictaphone no less) 4hrs of narrating the whole thing for an invisible ‘audience’, talking through the moments before, during and _after_ the murder of his poor mother?
No, that shit is far beyond any trending group or topic like incel or toxic masculinity (though 2 things can be true). That’s just pure sickness and malevolence.
22yrs isn’t enough time. Hopefully he comes to realise what he’s actually done in those dark moments in a cell – solitary ideally.
I read this earlier on the bbc who didn’t explain a lot like why his mum needed a crutch.
Anyway it’s heart breaking.
She found his hammer and stuff in his room and he attacked her at home and talked her into walking to the local pub where he said was help at 3 am, she was either knocked silly or believed was good left and walked the park knowing probably.
Made sad to read.