Shocker. The plan that actively spits in the face of working people is unpopular. If only those morons who believe their bullshit could see that they’re being grifted…
Codydoc4 on
Well of course, reform are in the pocket of the billionaires and US multinational corporations. They are not a party that supports working people.
TheOnlyGaming3 on
I just don’t understand how anyone could be on board with this policy
Snaidheadair on
Because Reform are anti-worker amongst other things.
Aeceus on
British public listen to evidence challenge: impossible
Anxious_Virus8843 on
Only people for this are CEOs and people on the dole say drinking on a weekday
peareauxThoughts on
People love these sorts of policies and then complain that their salaries aren’t like America’s.
BasisOk4268 on
Your mistake is thinking people that will vote reform will look at polling or research that goes against their views and doesn’t immediately label it as propaganda.
trmetroidmaniac on
We want less migration.
>Tear up workers rights?
No, less migration.
>War with Iran?
Migration.
>… Slash welfare?
becpuss on
What the working British public don’t want their rights removed? no shit 🤦♀️this is why reform are flailing they’ve no clue what the public wants and that’s because they are too busy pushing the agenda of their funders with foreign money
latenightbus on
Why would pensioners care about worker’s rights?
Abandon the triple lock and pin the state pension rises to the average wage. They need some skin in the game.
solobaggins on
Turkey’s voting for Christmas every day. Fucking morons
Obscure-Oracle on
With the challenges we face with the cost of living crisis, growing wealth inequality and constant wars, weakening our worker rights isn’t exactly going to make working people’s lives better right now is it?. They are asking for a lot of sacrifices from working people and the poor just to fix one single issue that their entire party is built on fixing. The truth is, they wouldn’t be able to fix it. The simplified solutions they offer will be met with complexities that they simply do not understand. You can’t run a country on one sentence solutions.
TrumpGrabbedMyCat on
Their voters don’t care. They think everyone else is lazy and they do things the “right” way so it won’t affect them personally. Then it does, and we get to post /r/leopardsatemyface content.
chicaneuk on
The biggest problem is that all these policies are being kept deliberately under the radar, and then they just promote the nationalistic policies and talking points that seem to appeal to the working classes.. it’s the classic turkeys voting for christmas scenario. I really wish people would wake up.
parkway_parkway on
“More than four-fifths (86%) support turning the minimum wage into a real living wage”
I wonder what this means?
As in minimum wage is pretty high already compared to average wages and were getting a bunch of wage compression.
Even the government who loves rights and min wages has backed off from increasing the under 21 min wage due to the economic damage it might do.
How much is “a real living wage”? 30k, 40k, 50k?
Why not just put it up to 100k so we can all be well off?
40k is definitely the worst outcome as that’s how you get Tyranids.
Jensablefur on
Just wait until they come after the minimum wage.
Theres going to be so many shocked pikachu faces and so much I told you so from the rest of us.
Ok-Employee383 on
Too scared to call in sick, even if you are at death’s door and highly infectious to others, just because you might not have a job the next day. This still happens. Reform want more of it. And lower wages, to spend on higher fossil fuel costs. Because Farage bows to climate change deniers. You know like Trumps ‘obligations’ to fossil friends.
Particular_Tough4860 on
Always interesting to see the TUC going against Reform.
The unions were against Brexit as well, which appeared to be out of step with their members. We had a union notice board at work, where one of the union reps put up a poster from the TUC, via Unite, giving the reasons to vote against Brexit.
The colleagues, who all had [leave.eu](http://leave.eu) badges, complained loudly about the “propaganda” being put on their noticeboard. A colleague pulled it down. The union rep who put it up claimed a manager had put it up.
ab00 on
We all know this but there are people out there who are still brainwashed / stupid enough to vote for him.
claggypants on
Is it possible getting elected isn’t actually the goal for Reform? They come out with stuff which is so outrageous and really not in the best interests of the electorate so I am often left wondering if they really are trying to get power or if it’s all just some sort of elaborate destabilisation exercise.
SB-121 on
Everything they’ve got other than immigration is out of step with public opinion.
Brigid-Tenenbaum on
I hope people realise the intent to divide us as a nation.
Pensioners aren’t fascists.
It’s not as if they suddenly stop caring about workers rights, or human rights, on the day they retire.
They are ignorant.
But most people are ignorant.
Its understandable to not know what the youth are facing, when you are as far removed from their lives as its possible to be.
But being old doesn’t make someone the enemy.
There is an enemy.
And they want people to blame each other.
Look at the welfare claimant, despite 40% of people on UC *being in work*.
Look at the immigrant, despite bringing countless positives to the nation and statistically being less likely to cause crime.
Look at the elderly, who seemingly had it easy and don’t seem to care about the rest of us.
Or, we all look at those who are actually stoking division and realise that we all, as basic humans, want a better and more fair life.
The fringes that have placed front centre isn’t reality.
They are a problem.
They aren’t *the* problem.
By blaming each other, we remove any notion of truthful understanding. That we all want better lives. A fairer share of the pie.
Pensioners. Immigrants. Welfare claimants.
They aren’t the ruling elite laughing all the way to the off shore bank.
liamxf on
It’s a almost suicidal policy like if reforms voters learn to read reform polices it could be the end
puppymint on
Reform working actively against the interests of the people as always. I hope to God people come to their senses by the next election…
Cozimo128 on
> It doesn’t make them dim. It makes them often misinformed and not really sure where to look.
You’re being incredibly charitable. The prevailing response from them is most often “look it up” and “do your research”. They put themselves across as research experts.
Google, aka where most things are looked up, is a pretty good source for everything. Hell, even asking AI for basic answers puts on a decent start.
The issue is they lack critical thinking skills coupled with hosting a surplus of arrogance, being unwilling to open their minds to the possibility of being wrong or admitting to being misled in the first place, and that’s what right-wing grifters capitalise on.
duxwontobey on
Literally everything that Reform wants will make Britain poorer for 99% of people to enrich the 1%.
Massive_Teach_5166 on
Everyone’s terribly pleased with themselves for opposing Reform’s proposals. Round of applause.
Britain’s productivity has been flatlining for sixteen years. Sixteen. Since the financial crisis we’ve essentially achieved nothing in terms of real economic growth per capita. Meanwhile France has youth unemployment that makes our figures look quaint. Over 20% last I checked. And why? Because when you make it prohibitively expensive and legally Byzantine to hire someone, employers simply… don’t.
The fetishization of “workers’ rights” has become this cargo cult. People genuinely believe that if you legislate enough protections, mandate enough benefits, create enough tribunals and complaints procedures, somehow prosperity will manifest. It won’t. It doesn’t. The evidence is clear.
What actually constitutes a meaningful right for workers? A job market deep enough that if your employer is rubbish you can leave. Wage growth that outpaces inflation so you’re not getting perpetually poorer while being told you’re “protected.” Economic dynamism that creates opportunities rather than hoarding existing positions for those already in them. A comfortable retirement and nest egg.
Instead we get this theater. More regulations, more compliance costs for businesses, more barriers to entry for new firms. And then we scratch our heads wondering why we can’t compete, why investment goes elsewhere, why living standards keep declining even as we congratulate ourselves on having the “right” policies.
The workplace isn’t a therapy session or some social club. It’s a commercial arrangement. You provide value, you get compensated. The employer takes risk, they capture returns. When you distort that equation too heavily in one direction, you get sclerosis. You get France. Enjoy your protected rights in the unemployment queue.
Nearly two decades of economic failure and everyone’s still pretending the solution is more of what hasn’t worked. Time for something new, perhaps?
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Shocker. The plan that actively spits in the face of working people is unpopular. If only those morons who believe their bullshit could see that they’re being grifted…
Well of course, reform are in the pocket of the billionaires and US multinational corporations. They are not a party that supports working people.
I just don’t understand how anyone could be on board with this policy
Because Reform are anti-worker amongst other things.
British public listen to evidence challenge: impossible
Only people for this are CEOs and people on the dole say drinking on a weekday
People love these sorts of policies and then complain that their salaries aren’t like America’s.
Your mistake is thinking people that will vote reform will look at polling or research that goes against their views and doesn’t immediately label it as propaganda.
We want less migration.
>Tear up workers rights?
No, less migration.
>War with Iran?
Migration.
>… Slash welfare?
What the working British public don’t want their rights removed? no shit 🤦♀️this is why reform are flailing they’ve no clue what the public wants and that’s because they are too busy pushing the agenda of their funders with foreign money
Why would pensioners care about worker’s rights?
Abandon the triple lock and pin the state pension rises to the average wage. They need some skin in the game.
Turkey’s voting for Christmas every day. Fucking morons
With the challenges we face with the cost of living crisis, growing wealth inequality and constant wars, weakening our worker rights isn’t exactly going to make working people’s lives better right now is it?. They are asking for a lot of sacrifices from working people and the poor just to fix one single issue that their entire party is built on fixing. The truth is, they wouldn’t be able to fix it. The simplified solutions they offer will be met with complexities that they simply do not understand. You can’t run a country on one sentence solutions.
Their voters don’t care. They think everyone else is lazy and they do things the “right” way so it won’t affect them personally. Then it does, and we get to post /r/leopardsatemyface content.
The biggest problem is that all these policies are being kept deliberately under the radar, and then they just promote the nationalistic policies and talking points that seem to appeal to the working classes.. it’s the classic turkeys voting for christmas scenario. I really wish people would wake up.
“More than four-fifths (86%) support turning the minimum wage into a real living wage”
I wonder what this means?
As in minimum wage is pretty high already compared to average wages and were getting a bunch of wage compression.
Even the government who loves rights and min wages has backed off from increasing the under 21 min wage due to the economic damage it might do.
How much is “a real living wage”? 30k, 40k, 50k?
Why not just put it up to 100k so we can all be well off?
40k is definitely the worst outcome as that’s how you get Tyranids.
Just wait until they come after the minimum wage.
Theres going to be so many shocked pikachu faces and so much I told you so from the rest of us.
Too scared to call in sick, even if you are at death’s door and highly infectious to others, just because you might not have a job the next day. This still happens. Reform want more of it. And lower wages, to spend on higher fossil fuel costs. Because Farage bows to climate change deniers. You know like Trumps ‘obligations’ to fossil friends.
Always interesting to see the TUC going against Reform.
The unions were against Brexit as well, which appeared to be out of step with their members. We had a union notice board at work, where one of the union reps put up a poster from the TUC, via Unite, giving the reasons to vote against Brexit.
The colleagues, who all had [leave.eu](http://leave.eu) badges, complained loudly about the “propaganda” being put on their noticeboard. A colleague pulled it down. The union rep who put it up claimed a manager had put it up.
We all know this but there are people out there who are still brainwashed / stupid enough to vote for him.
Is it possible getting elected isn’t actually the goal for Reform? They come out with stuff which is so outrageous and really not in the best interests of the electorate so I am often left wondering if they really are trying to get power or if it’s all just some sort of elaborate destabilisation exercise.
Everything they’ve got other than immigration is out of step with public opinion.
I hope people realise the intent to divide us as a nation.
Pensioners aren’t fascists.
It’s not as if they suddenly stop caring about workers rights, or human rights, on the day they retire.
They are ignorant.
But most people are ignorant.
Its understandable to not know what the youth are facing, when you are as far removed from their lives as its possible to be.
But being old doesn’t make someone the enemy.
There is an enemy.
And they want people to blame each other.
Look at the welfare claimant, despite 40% of people on UC *being in work*.
Look at the immigrant, despite bringing countless positives to the nation and statistically being less likely to cause crime.
Look at the elderly, who seemingly had it easy and don’t seem to care about the rest of us.
Or, we all look at those who are actually stoking division and realise that we all, as basic humans, want a better and more fair life.
The fringes that have placed front centre isn’t reality.
They are a problem.
They aren’t *the* problem.
By blaming each other, we remove any notion of truthful understanding. That we all want better lives. A fairer share of the pie.
Pensioners. Immigrants. Welfare claimants.
They aren’t the ruling elite laughing all the way to the off shore bank.
It’s a almost suicidal policy like if reforms voters learn to read reform polices it could be the end
Reform working actively against the interests of the people as always. I hope to God people come to their senses by the next election…
> It doesn’t make them dim. It makes them often misinformed and not really sure where to look.
You’re being incredibly charitable. The prevailing response from them is most often “look it up” and “do your research”. They put themselves across as research experts.
Google, aka where most things are looked up, is a pretty good source for everything. Hell, even asking AI for basic answers puts on a decent start.
The issue is they lack critical thinking skills coupled with hosting a surplus of arrogance, being unwilling to open their minds to the possibility of being wrong or admitting to being misled in the first place, and that’s what right-wing grifters capitalise on.
Literally everything that Reform wants will make Britain poorer for 99% of people to enrich the 1%.
Everyone’s terribly pleased with themselves for opposing Reform’s proposals. Round of applause.
Britain’s productivity has been flatlining for sixteen years. Sixteen. Since the financial crisis we’ve essentially achieved nothing in terms of real economic growth per capita. Meanwhile France has youth unemployment that makes our figures look quaint. Over 20% last I checked. And why? Because when you make it prohibitively expensive and legally Byzantine to hire someone, employers simply… don’t.
The fetishization of “workers’ rights” has become this cargo cult. People genuinely believe that if you legislate enough protections, mandate enough benefits, create enough tribunals and complaints procedures, somehow prosperity will manifest. It won’t. It doesn’t. The evidence is clear.
What actually constitutes a meaningful right for workers? A job market deep enough that if your employer is rubbish you can leave. Wage growth that outpaces inflation so you’re not getting perpetually poorer while being told you’re “protected.” Economic dynamism that creates opportunities rather than hoarding existing positions for those already in them. A comfortable retirement and nest egg.
Instead we get this theater. More regulations, more compliance costs for businesses, more barriers to entry for new firms. And then we scratch our heads wondering why we can’t compete, why investment goes elsewhere, why living standards keep declining even as we congratulate ourselves on having the “right” policies.
The workplace isn’t a therapy session or some social club. It’s a commercial arrangement. You provide value, you get compensated. The employer takes risk, they capture returns. When you distort that equation too heavily in one direction, you get sclerosis. You get France. Enjoy your protected rights in the unemployment queue.
Nearly two decades of economic failure and everyone’s still pretending the solution is more of what hasn’t worked. Time for something new, perhaps?