Interesting choice putting it in the Hunter Valley.
Bit of a swing seat there at the moment and I could see that decision sending it Labor way.
A lot of folk are keen on nuclear until it’s in their backyard. Also the powerful vineyard groups in the area will be up in arms.
falisimoses on
> Peter Dutton has told his Coalition colleagues he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.
> Mr Dutton will promise the first two sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.
Other experts doing heavy lifting. So they don’t own all/any of the sites. Some sites already have future uses associated with them. There is state and federal legislation to be repealed and new legislation required to functionally construct, operate (including storage/disposal etc) the proposed plants. Then there is the planning phase. Training of the workforce. Then construction and development (in which nuclear is notoriously quick, simple and cheap right – Bent Flyvbjerg had analysis), then operation. Are all the sites even suitable? Right. By a party that couldn’t string a coherent policy together over a decade (partly on purpose). Right.
This is not a serious proposition, an unending kite flying exercise they’ve released on a whim. And yet it will be treated as such. What a fucking joke. Not a serious country.
Down_Blunder on
Just ridiculous; the timeframes Dutton is seeking is fantasyland thinking. Also, the costs just don’t stack up, particularly when compared against the cost of establishing renewables.
RickyHendersonGOAT on
I wish the ABC would give this the attention it deserves. Why go to a live press conference with the Opposition?
evilparagon on
For those who want to be lazy:
* Tarong, QLD
* Callide, QLD
* Liddel, NSW
* Mount Piper, NSW
* Port Augusta, SA
* Loy Yang, Vic
* Muja, WA
Throwawaydeathgrips on
Congrats to Labor for winning the seats of Flynn, Grey and O’Connor!
jdohyeah on
Would like to see some apples for apples costing comparison. Too many papers quote the cost of solar and wind vs nuclear if slotting a little into the grid.
Instead I want to understand the cost of a zero emissions grid made entirely with renewables vs one with nuclear in the mix. That is to say an entirely renewable grid will need so much overcapacity + storage to manage the periods where the sun don’t shine and the wind don’t blow in uncertain future climate conditions. There are so many variables to consider, additional poles and wires, different renewal periods. Keen to get a sense of what someone means when they say nuclear is X times more expensive.
Barmy90 on
Peter Dutton delivering a strong blow to Crisafulli’s all-but-certain election victory in Queensland, lol. I bet he’s fuming.
Not a single state leader is on board, Liberal or otherwise. They have to buy all the sites which will cost billions before construction can even begin. Some of the sites aren’t even actually suitable (apparently one of them doesn’t even have secure access to water). Anyone who thinks this will ever actually happen is unbelievably stupid.
Jazzlike-Wave-2174 on
is that like when scomo revealed seven ministries?
aGermanDownUnder on
He’s delusional. Surely this is some elaborate joke and we’re waiting for the punch line?
plutoforprez on
I’m all for nuclear power… 50 years ago. It’s way, way too late to even bother. Wind and solar are the way forward. Fairly certain they would cost less and require less technical skills and education. But whatever, if he wants to lose the election, I’m supportive of that.
Mythically_Mad on
So, how’s Dutton proposing to ship the uranium to these sites?
Because it needs to be done by rail; and he’s certainly not going to build the necessary infrastructure for that to happen.
ScoobyDoNot on
> But further funding details will not be announced today, including the total price tag.
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Interesting choice putting it in the Hunter Valley.
Bit of a swing seat there at the moment and I could see that decision sending it Labor way.
A lot of folk are keen on nuclear until it’s in their backyard. Also the powerful vineyard groups in the area will be up in arms.
> Peter Dutton has told his Coalition colleagues he will go to the next election promising to build seven nuclear power stations.
> Mr Dutton will promise the first two sites can be operational between 2035 and 2037, several years earlier than the timeframe the CSIRO and other experts believe is feasible.
Other experts doing heavy lifting. So they don’t own all/any of the sites. Some sites already have future uses associated with them. There is state and federal legislation to be repealed and new legislation required to functionally construct, operate (including storage/disposal etc) the proposed plants. Then there is the planning phase. Training of the workforce. Then construction and development (in which nuclear is notoriously quick, simple and cheap right – Bent Flyvbjerg had analysis), then operation. Are all the sites even suitable? Right. By a party that couldn’t string a coherent policy together over a decade (partly on purpose). Right.
This is not a serious proposition, an unending kite flying exercise they’ve released on a whim. And yet it will be treated as such. What a fucking joke. Not a serious country.
Just ridiculous; the timeframes Dutton is seeking is fantasyland thinking. Also, the costs just don’t stack up, particularly when compared against the cost of establishing renewables.
I wish the ABC would give this the attention it deserves. Why go to a live press conference with the Opposition?
For those who want to be lazy:
* Tarong, QLD
* Callide, QLD
* Liddel, NSW
* Mount Piper, NSW
* Port Augusta, SA
* Loy Yang, Vic
* Muja, WA
Congrats to Labor for winning the seats of Flynn, Grey and O’Connor!
Would like to see some apples for apples costing comparison. Too many papers quote the cost of solar and wind vs nuclear if slotting a little into the grid.
Instead I want to understand the cost of a zero emissions grid made entirely with renewables vs one with nuclear in the mix. That is to say an entirely renewable grid will need so much overcapacity + storage to manage the periods where the sun don’t shine and the wind don’t blow in uncertain future climate conditions. There are so many variables to consider, additional poles and wires, different renewal periods. Keen to get a sense of what someone means when they say nuclear is X times more expensive.
Peter Dutton delivering a strong blow to Crisafulli’s all-but-certain election victory in Queensland, lol. I bet he’s fuming.
Not a single state leader is on board, Liberal or otherwise. They have to buy all the sites which will cost billions before construction can even begin. Some of the sites aren’t even actually suitable (apparently one of them doesn’t even have secure access to water). Anyone who thinks this will ever actually happen is unbelievably stupid.
is that like when scomo revealed seven ministries?
He’s delusional. Surely this is some elaborate joke and we’re waiting for the punch line?
I’m all for nuclear power… 50 years ago. It’s way, way too late to even bother. Wind and solar are the way forward. Fairly certain they would cost less and require less technical skills and education. But whatever, if he wants to lose the election, I’m supportive of that.
So, how’s Dutton proposing to ship the uranium to these sites?
Because it needs to be done by rail; and he’s certainly not going to build the necessary infrastructure for that to happen.
> But further funding details will not be announced today, including the total price tag.
If you don’t know vote NO!