Review says puberty blocker curb has not led to suicide rise
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9x8j5p0992o
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Review says puberty blocker curb has not led to suicide rise
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9x8j5p0992o
Posted by _Rookwood_
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>Public discussion of suicide
>Responsible reporting of suicide in the media is an important strand of suicide prevention, and a central feature of the national suicide prevention strategy in England. Guidance has been developed by Samaritans, originally for the news media but with wider applicability to any public discussion of suicide, and increasingly relevant to social media.
>The risks include:
>alarming stories about suicide causing distress to people who are themselves at risk
>identification – when someone sees in themselves a connection with a person who has died by suicide; leading to:
>**imitation and suicide clusters in people with similar characteristics**
>As a result, the media – and users of social media – are asked to:
>ensure that any claims about suicide are evidence-based and from a reliable source
>avoid alarming and dramatic language
>avoid the impression that suicide is the expected or likely outcome in certain situations
>avoid oversimplifying suicide by attributing it to a single cause which could be the basis of identification
[https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust-independent-report](https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust/review-of-suicides-and-gender-dysphoria-at-the-tavistock-and-portman-nhs-foundation-trust-independent-report)
The report author is a world leading expert on suicides
[https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/louis.appleby/publications/](https://research.manchester.ac.uk/en/persons/louis.appleby/publications/)
[https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/docs/default-source/improving-care/nccmh/suicide-prevention/monthly-clinic/ncish-nspa-2020-slides.pdf](https://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/docs/default-source/improving-care/nccmh/suicide-prevention/monthly-clinic/ncish-nspa-2020-slides.pdf)
I would strongly encourage people to take the advice of the person with the decades of leading research in this area and who is the government appointed expert on this subject. There is zero chance someone who knows more about this field is going to turn up on Reddit and have a greater understanding of this and a track record of publications.
I would encourage people to speak out when they see people breaking the suggested guidelines posted above. Some people may have taken the opinions of a lawyer in good faith, but now a domain expert has weighed in please put away the lawyers opinion.
And I would strongly encourage people to assume anyone who continues to promote this story after this intervention to be *a bad faith actor*, not a person seeking to understand a complex topic.
There are some with a growing track record in dishonesty when researchers do not produce what they want. Its now a pretty fixed pattern we can start to draw firm conclusions from.
*Covering the period between 2018-19 and 2023-24, he found there were 12 suicides – five in the three years leading up to 2020-21 and seven in the three years afterwards.*
*”This is essentially no difference,” Prof Appleby says in his report, “taking account of expected fluctuations in small numbers, and would not reach statistical significance.”*
12 children and young adults died with an open referral to the same NHS children’s department. All of the children were part of the same vanishingly small demographic. None of the children would have been able to access blockers, since before the ban blockers were functionally inaccessible on the NHS except in rare cases where after puberty was largely finished, after the ban they were completely inaccessible. But there’s no risk found because trans children unable to access blockers are killing themselves at a rate that’s increase is considered statistically steady. Brilliant.
Oh and they have the nerve to say anyone drawing attention to this spate of suicides of unsupported children risks causing further suicides. Fuck this callous government adviser. If he cared about trans youth suicide a jot he would be advising meaningful healthcare was made available now, empowering doctors and their families to make decisions rather than attacking those who blew the whistle on this. Wes Streeting said managers who silence NHS whistleblowers will never work for the NHS again – when you blow the whistle on trans kids killing themselves you get a very different treatment from this Labour government apparently!
This nightmare will be allowed to continue, anyone who draws attention to it will be attacked and so long as the growth rate of trans youth suicide is “statistically insignificant” no harm, no foul. It’s sickening to type.
If it was cisgender children open to the same NHS department killing themselves every single year you’d have completely different coverage of this and a drive to fix this horror show immediately. They’re trans so we’ll do literally nothing whilst saving our venom for those who care. When 7 more trans children kill themselves over the next 3 years remember none of them are statistically significant. This is Terf Island.
That they completely ignored this until a review came out allowing them to dismiss it is ridiculous and endemic of the way this country works, heck a single death of a detransitioner would likely create a media firestorm, Anyway i’m sure someone who follows under 100 people on twitter with 3 of the main ones being “unafraid woman, TERF, i don’t take prisoners”, rosie duffield and suzanne moore can be trusted to appropriately review the situation [and not make a mistake such as ignoring the original claims in favour of pretending the complaint was about suicides on the people being seen by the clinic, and not those on the waitinglist as was originally claimed](https://x.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1814366867940843879)
[Or suggest trans healthcare doesn’t work because of a single flawed study that showed it worked and then used a flawed control to dismiss it](https://x.com/jack_turban/status/1814446589924258276?t=QzalaZXQjkCiB2tEL43tvA&s=19)
Imagine it for another group seriously, “to review the suicide rates of young Jewish people, we asked this person who’s follows on twitter include “unafraid antisemite, open bigot” and several anti-semitic political figures. Repeated over and over every time any gov review is commissioned about anything related to Jewish people, and to object is seen as to deny science, like scientists are incapable of bias and no politician [would ever handpick experts with existing bias issues to get the result they want](https://x.com/ReactiveAshley/status/1811316869208367568) [and then brag about it](https://x.com/KemiBadenoch/status/1799509912143151611)
Also fuck the guardian for giving the LGB alliance a platform to call the dead kids “part of a homophobic ideology” for being trans, actually vile.
The BBC report’s statistics are based on patients currently or previously under the care of a GIC. The Good Law Project’s numbers were based on “people under GIC care or waiting for GIC care”.
The population being sampled is wildly different, especially now that anyone currently on a waiting list is unlikely to get a first appointment within the next five years. Given that, it is unsurprising that different results are obtained.