Grouped with the fact not as many people are turning conversative as they age like past generations have. The conservative party might have to rethink.
StupidMastiff on
Yes, time is linear and the Tories love the old mortals.
HangryScotsman on
If you look at their talking points, it’s not that surprising and the older generations tend to reliably vote Tory.
It’s the rise of reform that worries me the most, if they take the Tories place things are going to get seriously screwed up.
denyer-no1-fan on
I do not see how the Tories can fix this problem. People under the age of 40 experienced most of their adult life under austerity. It’s not an emotional scar that is easy to wipe away and many will refuse to vote Tories ever again. And they are not the only alternative to Labour now. If you’re progressive, you can vote for the Greens; if you’re centrist, you can vote Lib Dems; and if you’re right-wing, you can vote for Reform. The only reason why Labour and Tories have survived for so long in UK politics is that they are the only realistic alternatives to one other, but this election has proven that it’s no longer the case.
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Andrew1990M on
10% lost to COVID, 5% lost to electing a non-white leader, 50% lost to incompetence and another 17% dying before the next election.
>!All numbers are invented to be a smart arse!<
Moist_Farmer3548 on
>Polling from More in Common shows that Conservative voters are slightly more likely to be white, and **more than half are comfortable financially.**
Who is voting Tory when they aren’t financially comfortable?
west0ne on
For a minute there I thought Labour were planning some sort of cull.
Ok-Fox1262 on
That reads like an Onion headline but yeah, I can believe it.
Bunch of fecking cuntservatives.
Weirdly I used to be very conservative. But yeah fourteen years of hurt.
PatternRecogniser on
It just won’t be the Torys in the future. Reform will likely become the opposition and they’ve got significantly more youth support than most people would care to admit.
Ill-Apartment7457 on
Class and culture are becoming more important than age anyway, working class are moving to the right. It all depends how the conservatives rebrand. If they go the reform route they could pick up millions of old working class labour voters. If they don’t they are probably screwed in the short term and farage will take them all. Labour also have the issue of losing the immigrant vote.
mimic on
Those are rookie numbers we need to get those numbers up
nicecupparosy on
if CNN was right leaning
“Radical left plan on killing one in ever 6 conservative voters”
Meateor123 on
This sounds like a global conspiracy from the goddamn commies, who’s going around killing the tory voters?
/s
DevilsDoorbellRinger on
Weren’t there only six conservative voters in the last election?
DarthFlowers on
Gove will attempt to accept votes for a ouija board cos that’s just who he is
Humble-Client3314 on
It may only be Monday, but this is probably the best news I will hear all week. RIP, etc.
Aggravating_Media_59 on
This is probably inaccurate considering on average tory voters are richer and therefore will live longer
Dash83 on
Always nice to start the week with some good news 😀
LargePlums on
It’s true that there are very few young people whose economic politics is conservative. Probably always has been true but more pronounced given the growing inequality of wealth and in particular housing. But there is a weird and growing counter-cultural conservatism in social issues amongst the young, as exhibited by the interest in the Andrew Tates of the world. It’s still minority but it’s a worry.
CommitteeofMountains on
I look forward to More or Less having fun tearing this apart.
m0j0licious on
According to the article, the average (presumably mean) age of the 6.8m Tory voters is 62. I’m no statistician, but I can’t help feeling that a 17% five year mortality projection is incredibly high. Are 75% of Tory voters actually 80+ years old, and the average is being dragged down by a million Young Farmers?
LazyCommentator on
Those are rookie numbers. With a bit of effort I’m sure we can bump off a few more.
Caacrinolass on
They need to reinvent themselves and hope that some people forget really. The electoral situation is more fragmented than ever with all the minority parties in some kind of ascendancy which to me suggests that’s votes can be at least borrowed for certain causes.
They do of course thoroughly deserve the situation they are in.
lizardk101 on
It’s an existential crisis for the Conservatives, they are aware of. It’s why they’re getting so extreme globally, and why they’re likely to become more extreme, and try more radical acts in every way.
It’s a case where that extremism pushes away more rational people, so they get more extreme because they’re losing members, and support.
It’s not like young people don’t have any streaks of conservatism in them in a financially or social way, it’s that the tories hate young people, and caused crisis after crisis, exacerbated every problem, and made young people’s lives harder, and told them that they were not just responsible for the problem but the repairing of the damage.
The problem is that if you’re a vocal minority in politics, as conservatives are, you have to do a lot of cross party reaching to appeal to new voters, and do things for others benefit, and the Conservatives never did. In fact they made everything worse, for their own benefit, and told everyone “haha suck it!”.
Lion12341 on
Massive changes in who people are voting for could happen. Young and middle aged people are just not going to vote for the Tories after what they’ve done. And from those remaining right wing voters, almost half have switched to Reform.
However, the Tories aren’t the only ones affected. Labour actually received less votes this year than they did in 2019. They only managed to get a massive majority of seats due to the collapse of the Conservatives and SNP.
Greens and independents did far better in this election than any previous one. Throughout the UK, the Greens received the second most votes in about 40 constituencies. A few seats have also started voting for independant candidates. Lib Dems have gained more seats than they ever had, gaining 10 more than they did under Charles Kennedy in 2005 (though not quite recovered in aggregate votes).
Both constituencies in my city were labour safe seats, but in the last election Labour lost 10,000 votes in each constituency, losing half of them to an independent, and the rest to the Workers Party and the Greens.
If this trend continues, we might get a more diverse parliament rather than the status quo of picking between Labour and the Conservatives.
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Grouped with the fact not as many people are turning conversative as they age like past generations have. The conservative party might have to rethink.
Yes, time is linear and the Tories love the old mortals.
If you look at their talking points, it’s not that surprising and the older generations tend to reliably vote Tory.
It’s the rise of reform that worries me the most, if they take the Tories place things are going to get seriously screwed up.
I do not see how the Tories can fix this problem. People under the age of 40 experienced most of their adult life under austerity. It’s not an emotional scar that is easy to wipe away and many will refuse to vote Tories ever again. And they are not the only alternative to Labour now. If you’re progressive, you can vote for the Greens; if you’re centrist, you can vote Lib Dems; and if you’re right-wing, you can vote for Reform. The only reason why Labour and Tories have survived for so long in UK politics is that they are the only realistic alternatives to one other, but this election has proven that it’s no longer the case.
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10% lost to COVID, 5% lost to electing a non-white leader, 50% lost to incompetence and another 17% dying before the next election.
>!All numbers are invented to be a smart arse!<
>Polling from More in Common shows that Conservative voters are slightly more likely to be white, and **more than half are comfortable financially.**
Who is voting Tory when they aren’t financially comfortable?
For a minute there I thought Labour were planning some sort of cull.
That reads like an Onion headline but yeah, I can believe it.
Bunch of fecking cuntservatives.
Weirdly I used to be very conservative. But yeah fourteen years of hurt.
It just won’t be the Torys in the future. Reform will likely become the opposition and they’ve got significantly more youth support than most people would care to admit.
Class and culture are becoming more important than age anyway, working class are moving to the right. It all depends how the conservatives rebrand. If they go the reform route they could pick up millions of old working class labour voters. If they don’t they are probably screwed in the short term and farage will take them all. Labour also have the issue of losing the immigrant vote.
Those are rookie numbers we need to get those numbers up
if CNN was right leaning
“Radical left plan on killing one in ever 6 conservative voters”
This sounds like a global conspiracy from the goddamn commies, who’s going around killing the tory voters?
/s
Weren’t there only six conservative voters in the last election?
Gove will attempt to accept votes for a ouija board cos that’s just who he is
It may only be Monday, but this is probably the best news I will hear all week. RIP, etc.
This is probably inaccurate considering on average tory voters are richer and therefore will live longer
Always nice to start the week with some good news 😀
It’s true that there are very few young people whose economic politics is conservative. Probably always has been true but more pronounced given the growing inequality of wealth and in particular housing. But there is a weird and growing counter-cultural conservatism in social issues amongst the young, as exhibited by the interest in the Andrew Tates of the world. It’s still minority but it’s a worry.
I look forward to More or Less having fun tearing this apart.
According to the article, the average (presumably mean) age of the 6.8m Tory voters is 62. I’m no statistician, but I can’t help feeling that a 17% five year mortality projection is incredibly high. Are 75% of Tory voters actually 80+ years old, and the average is being dragged down by a million Young Farmers?
Those are rookie numbers. With a bit of effort I’m sure we can bump off a few more.
They need to reinvent themselves and hope that some people forget really. The electoral situation is more fragmented than ever with all the minority parties in some kind of ascendancy which to me suggests that’s votes can be at least borrowed for certain causes.
They do of course thoroughly deserve the situation they are in.
It’s an existential crisis for the Conservatives, they are aware of. It’s why they’re getting so extreme globally, and why they’re likely to become more extreme, and try more radical acts in every way.
It’s a case where that extremism pushes away more rational people, so they get more extreme because they’re losing members, and support.
It’s not like young people don’t have any streaks of conservatism in them in a financially or social way, it’s that the tories hate young people, and caused crisis after crisis, exacerbated every problem, and made young people’s lives harder, and told them that they were not just responsible for the problem but the repairing of the damage.
The problem is that if you’re a vocal minority in politics, as conservatives are, you have to do a lot of cross party reaching to appeal to new voters, and do things for others benefit, and the Conservatives never did. In fact they made everything worse, for their own benefit, and told everyone “haha suck it!”.
Massive changes in who people are voting for could happen. Young and middle aged people are just not going to vote for the Tories after what they’ve done. And from those remaining right wing voters, almost half have switched to Reform.
However, the Tories aren’t the only ones affected. Labour actually received less votes this year than they did in 2019. They only managed to get a massive majority of seats due to the collapse of the Conservatives and SNP.
Greens and independents did far better in this election than any previous one. Throughout the UK, the Greens received the second most votes in about 40 constituencies. A few seats have also started voting for independant candidates. Lib Dems have gained more seats than they ever had, gaining 10 more than they did under Charles Kennedy in 2005 (though not quite recovered in aggregate votes).
Both constituencies in my city were labour safe seats, but in the last election Labour lost 10,000 votes in each constituency, losing half of them to an independent, and the rest to the Workers Party and the Greens.
If this trend continues, we might get a more diverse parliament rather than the status quo of picking between Labour and the Conservatives.