I listened to the whole press conference. It sounds like permits to bring in foreign workers will be tied to investments in skills programmes. This seems entirely sensible and could be very effective if implemented correctly.
It works because it re-emphasises the fact that importing workers should be the temporary fix to a skills shortage, not the permanent state of affairs. It also adds a premium to foreign workers compared to domestic, which levels the playing field and helps prevent undercutting.
Positive_Vines on
Oligarchic overlords living in Knightsbridge, Kensington & Chelsea and Mayfair will not be happy about this, that’s for sure
PoloniumPaladin on
>Migrants will also need to reside in the UK for 10 years before they can apply for permanent residency – it’s currently five years
Gotta say, as an immigration single issue voter who was planning to vote Reform, I didn’t think they would go this far. This is a huge change because that’s far longer than most other developed countries, which means we instantly become a lot less attractive to emigrate to for millions of people trying to find a new country to live in. That should have a significant impact. Bravo.
tragic1994 on
We all know this is because of reform. But let’s see if anything actually happens give it a few weeks or months and there will be a headline saying immigration at its highest ever I bet.
Peon01 on
the reform polls really kicked their asses into gear huh
good changes though this is how it always should have been
PrrrromotionGiven1 on
The problem with this strategy is that the kinds of people Starmer is trying to win over don’t care what he does, the reality of the Labour Party doesn’t matter, only their preconceived notions and tropes like “Labour support open borders”, “Labour are marxists”, “Lefty Lawyers” etc.
He won’t win over the right wing press or echo-chambers, and these people have never been driven by policy, just narratives. Is it the right policy anyway? Maybe, but let’s be real here, the reason he’s doing this is to win votes and try to get ahead of the Tories in particular on the immigration debate (with Reform being a more wicked problem for Labour because they are a vibes choice)
Those are wild figures and it’s clear something drastic needs to happen. it also coincides with attitudes towards immigration turning more negative as it would clearly have a sizable impact on communities.
Travel-Barry on
I honestly think Labour could go full Reform on their policies, but the facile electorate would still not give a shit as long as their guy Nigel makes further gains.
Wide_Tune_8106 on
Too little too late. London has a foreign majority now and it’s not the only city like that. There’s also Birmingham, Bradford, Leicester.
AMNE5TY on
Good, let’s see if changes are actually enforced and if they make any difference.
FaceMace87 on
Still won’t be enough for some.
If Starmer proved he had cut migration down by 90% people would say “fake numbers” or “lies” because they saw one brown guy down the shop. Farage proves he has cut it by 10% and it will be “man of the people”.
I genuinely hate the British public when it comes to politics.
Zestyclose_System556 on
Honestly, I’m currently on the 5 year path. It’s already cost me £30,000 to be here and this announcement looks to double that. It’s becoming harder and harder to justify being here.
shameshame23 on
Reluctant reform voter here. This was very very effective for me.
Pragmatic and competent plan. Reduce immigration and integration without the silliness that comes with having to vote for a vibes based party? I’m in. I can get behind that.
goodvibes94 on
Okay but how does this affect employers who take on employees for the year after they complete a degree and then have constant turnover? This just means companies will use this even more no?
Ste_XD on
I appreciate the honesty in this thread from some Reform / intending to vote Reform voters.
Zealousideal_Top9939 on
Serious question: how much immigration do we need to deal with the aging population/ Brits having less children?
NuclearBreadfruit on
Conservatives prattling about starmer being untrustworthy
Yeah because they really proved themselves in 14 YEARS, including overseeing the Boris wave
TheOnlyNemesis on
Won’t fix the main issue, cheap labour. This will be a jobs cluster fuck. No cheap foreign labour and no local labour to work at that wage.
Dependent-Library602 on
From what I heard at the press conference, and have read, there’s nothing that sounds like it should be that controversial. It’s obvious something needs to change, and not for any racist or xenophobic reasons, but for sustainability and I’d argue moral reasons. Sustainable because no, building the equivalent of Birmingham every year just isn’t feasible. Moral, because importing labour to do difficult jobs that often come with a high level of responsibility (e.g. care workers) and paying them a pittance is not moral.
I do understand that some sectors, especially social care, are especially dependent upon immigration, but what this should tell us is that we need a fundamental retooling of our economic systems. The labour to do these jobs does exist already, and the barriers for why these people are not doing these jobs need addressing.
I’m broadly pro-immigration, and I’ve been an immigrant myself in several countries, teaching in international schools. These have been very positive experiences. I think global mobility is a positive thing, but so is sustainability.
jayjones35 on
If you believe kier starmer about anything you are out of your mind. This life long Labour voter is now politically homeless because you can explain what kiers done but you can never align it with Labour values
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Regardless of my position on the matter. This is just a settled issue for the country at this point. Nothing else to do but do it. It’s pretty clearly the majority position that has been ignored for a long time.
RoyalJacko on
For all Reform Supporters, you will not get zero immigration. Even if your own party was in power you would still least have 200,000 a year Net Migration according to your own policies.
gaynorg on
Does anyone have a link to any study or studies or anything justifying this anti imigration thing? Or is it just pure unjustified xenophobia?
GoochBlender on
It still baffles me how we ended up in this timeline where Labour is the right wing half of the uniparty.
Zephinism on
>Refugee charity Care4Calais, who provide humanitarian aid in northern France and the UK, accuse the prime minister of “fanning the fire of the far-right” by using language like “an island of strangers” to discuss immigration.
>Care4Calais CEO, Steve Smith, said: “This is dangerous language for any Prime Minister to use. Has Starmer forgotten last year’s far-right riots?
>”Shameful language like this will only inflame the fire of the far-right and risks further race riots that endanger survivors of horrors such as war, torture and modern slavery. Starmer must apologise
Hilariously out of touch. No way this CEO isn’t making a fortune on other people’s misery.
newdrago on
Just curious,does this apply only to future immigrants, or to all immigrants who are already living in the country as well?
madding247 on
And the people who currently reside in the uk who don’t meet these terms?
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I listened to the whole press conference. It sounds like permits to bring in foreign workers will be tied to investments in skills programmes. This seems entirely sensible and could be very effective if implemented correctly.
It works because it re-emphasises the fact that importing workers should be the temporary fix to a skills shortage, not the permanent state of affairs. It also adds a premium to foreign workers compared to domestic, which levels the playing field and helps prevent undercutting.
Oligarchic overlords living in Knightsbridge, Kensington & Chelsea and Mayfair will not be happy about this, that’s for sure
>Migrants will also need to reside in the UK for 10 years before they can apply for permanent residency – it’s currently five years
Gotta say, as an immigration single issue voter who was planning to vote Reform, I didn’t think they would go this far. This is a huge change because that’s far longer than most other developed countries, which means we instantly become a lot less attractive to emigrate to for millions of people trying to find a new country to live in. That should have a significant impact. Bravo.
We all know this is because of reform. But let’s see if anything actually happens give it a few weeks or months and there will be a headline saying immigration at its highest ever I bet.
the reform polls really kicked their asses into gear huh
good changes though this is how it always should have been
The problem with this strategy is that the kinds of people Starmer is trying to win over don’t care what he does, the reality of the Labour Party doesn’t matter, only their preconceived notions and tropes like “Labour support open borders”, “Labour are marxists”, “Lefty Lawyers” etc.
He won’t win over the right wing press or echo-chambers, and these people have never been driven by policy, just narratives. Is it the right policy anyway? Maybe, but let’s be real here, the reason he’s doing this is to win votes and try to get ahead of the Tories in particular on the immigration debate (with Reform being a more wicked problem for Labour because they are a vibes choice)
It all sounds quite good?
This [graph on the BBC is quite telling](https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2025/5/12/272cd1fd-7d18-4178-8911-ae88eeda8878.png.webp). It shows how EU migration has reduced form 300k a year in 2017 to negative numbers of late, whilst non-eu migration has surged from 90k to almost a million in the same time period.
Those are wild figures and it’s clear something drastic needs to happen. it also coincides with attitudes towards immigration turning more negative as it would clearly have a sizable impact on communities.
I honestly think Labour could go full Reform on their policies, but the facile electorate would still not give a shit as long as their guy Nigel makes further gains.
Too little too late. London has a foreign majority now and it’s not the only city like that. There’s also Birmingham, Bradford, Leicester.
Good, let’s see if changes are actually enforced and if they make any difference.
Still won’t be enough for some.
If Starmer proved he had cut migration down by 90% people would say “fake numbers” or “lies” because they saw one brown guy down the shop. Farage proves he has cut it by 10% and it will be “man of the people”.
I genuinely hate the British public when it comes to politics.
Honestly, I’m currently on the 5 year path. It’s already cost me £30,000 to be here and this announcement looks to double that. It’s becoming harder and harder to justify being here.
Reluctant reform voter here. This was very very effective for me.
Pragmatic and competent plan. Reduce immigration and integration without the silliness that comes with having to vote for a vibes based party? I’m in. I can get behind that.
Okay but how does this affect employers who take on employees for the year after they complete a degree and then have constant turnover? This just means companies will use this even more no?
I appreciate the honesty in this thread from some Reform / intending to vote Reform voters.
Serious question: how much immigration do we need to deal with the aging population/ Brits having less children?
Conservatives prattling about starmer being untrustworthy
Yeah because they really proved themselves in 14 YEARS, including overseeing the Boris wave
Won’t fix the main issue, cheap labour. This will be a jobs cluster fuck. No cheap foreign labour and no local labour to work at that wage.
From what I heard at the press conference, and have read, there’s nothing that sounds like it should be that controversial. It’s obvious something needs to change, and not for any racist or xenophobic reasons, but for sustainability and I’d argue moral reasons. Sustainable because no, building the equivalent of Birmingham every year just isn’t feasible. Moral, because importing labour to do difficult jobs that often come with a high level of responsibility (e.g. care workers) and paying them a pittance is not moral.
I do understand that some sectors, especially social care, are especially dependent upon immigration, but what this should tell us is that we need a fundamental retooling of our economic systems. The labour to do these jobs does exist already, and the barriers for why these people are not doing these jobs need addressing.
I’m broadly pro-immigration, and I’ve been an immigrant myself in several countries, teaching in international schools. These have been very positive experiences. I think global mobility is a positive thing, but so is sustainability.
If you believe kier starmer about anything you are out of your mind. This life long Labour voter is now politically homeless because you can explain what kiers done but you can never align it with Labour values
Regardless of my position on the matter. This is just a settled issue for the country at this point. Nothing else to do but do it. It’s pretty clearly the majority position that has been ignored for a long time.
For all Reform Supporters, you will not get zero immigration. Even if your own party was in power you would still least have 200,000 a year Net Migration according to your own policies.
Does anyone have a link to any study or studies or anything justifying this anti imigration thing? Or is it just pure unjustified xenophobia?
It still baffles me how we ended up in this timeline where Labour is the right wing half of the uniparty.
>Refugee charity Care4Calais, who provide humanitarian aid in northern France and the UK, accuse the prime minister of “fanning the fire of the far-right” by using language like “an island of strangers” to discuss immigration.
>Care4Calais CEO, Steve Smith, said: “This is dangerous language for any Prime Minister to use. Has Starmer forgotten last year’s far-right riots?
>”Shameful language like this will only inflame the fire of the far-right and risks further race riots that endanger survivors of horrors such as war, torture and modern slavery. Starmer must apologise
Hilariously out of touch. No way this CEO isn’t making a fortune on other people’s misery.
Just curious,does this apply only to future immigrants, or to all immigrants who are already living in the country as well?
And the people who currently reside in the uk who don’t meet these terms?