Do a deal with the yanks, they’ll get the best of both worlds. Protein and carbs in the same animatable.
Chictatoes! Wash, mash, watch, scotch! Perfick.
Consistent-Good2487 on
it’s almost like farms are being bought to avoid tax lmao
Ibelieveinjoehendry9 on
The population increases and every year more farmland is loss to a range of activities when it needs to be protected, especially the high quality arable land.
MarcusBlueWolf on
I guess British farms losing subsides post Brexit hasn’t helped either?
xeere on
I blame farming subsidies. We give farmers a million and one benefits that makes farming the UK totally uncompetitive. New Zealand has some of the best agriculture in the world and they only got it after they stopped subsiding farmers and let free market competition actually take hold. And yes, that includes inheritance tax on farmers.
pajamakitten on
Yet we still do not have plan in place to improve this, especially in the face of overwhelming climate change threatening food supplies worldwide.
full_metal_codpiece on
Does that include pre-WW1 when we were importing 60% of our food supply?
ItsWormAllTheWayDown on
Have we considered not using so much of our arable land to just feed animals.
Some_Attention2653 on
Nothing to worry about. Keep importing 1 million people a year, paving over greenbelts and farms.
Who needs food security when the world is so stable and there’s no risk of shocks to the global food supply. Oh wait…
Ill_Refrigerator_593 on
This article is slightly misleading, it states-
>the amount of food we consume that is grown in this country — fell from a peak of 78 per cent back in 1984 to 62 per cent in 2023, the most recent year for which we have data.
In fact domestic food production levels have been stable for around 20 years now-
78% was indeed the peak, but that had risen from around to 30-35% in the 1930s’. Domestic food production is higher now than it has been through much of recent history.
Northern Europe and North East Asia has a pretty large comparative & absolute disadvantage in agriculture compared to say the US or Canada.
MinistryOfFarming on
Farmland is under attack at the moment because the cost of growing the countries food has never been higher but farmers can not pass this cost onto consumers because of government and supermarkets.
It’s no surprise farms are being sold in record numbers when the price people will pay for solar/housing and rewilding land is more attractive than keeping the land in hand and using it to produce food.
We were renting an 8 acre field for 28 years, the owner died last year and the new owner wants to sell it, arable land in my area used to sell for £12,000/acre, now after inflation and government inheritance tax rises it will be more like £16,000/acre minimum and could even sell for up to £30,000/acre.
This rise isn’t because of farmers having money to spend on buying more land, it is all investment companies and people who have made money in other industries in the city that are prepared to buy it at any cost!
Wilsonj1966 on
Not just farms too. Britain’s can literally grow their own food and I don’t understand why more us don’t
A couple of buckets of soil in your garden and you’ll have a years worth of potatoes
You can turn a couple of bulbs of garlic from the supermarket into a years supply
Few little effort, save money and its very rewarding to pull your own food out the ground
Marble-Boy on
Is it called “growing” chickens? Because I’ve never heard it said that way before.
It’s a serious question… pretend that I’m stupid.
_Originz__ on
We’re a tiny island how are we gonna grow enough food to meet the demand lol
haribo_2016 on
I’m not sure that’s true! However, if you was to talk about scalability due to massive influx of people the UK has taken in the last decade. Then I’d suggest it’s not sustainable. However, many countries over the thousands of years have taken in refugees, settlers, or whatever terminology, years before a long fight. These places become their lands, become their worth, become themselves and their family. Our generations blood is spilled in the hope of a better future. Whether that be today or a hundred years from now. Don’t be C U Next Tuesdays. People are people and want a better life wherever they are.
chaosandturmoil on
we know. its cheaper to buy food in, than produce our own. if wwiii comes we are fked because we have lost the ability to ‘dig for britain’ at home.
NarrowCranberry2005 on
Well ya because their is no money in it, doing anything to improve it is difficult (so you can permitted development one barn every decade aye but what if you want to build a proper commercial farm and need 10? Fuck you planning will say no), our technology is old, we don’t have shit like irrigation despite the weather being inconsistent (drought atm so nothing is growing), etc, etc.
08ovi on
Coincidentally I’ve personally never grown more of my own food, whether that’s an age thing or just a general disappointment in the state of things…. probably both.
Polysticks on
We have some of the highest food prices in the world, if you can’t make money as a farmer in the UK just do something else.
This idea that farmers should always make money (subsidised by the state when they don’t) and their entire lineage is entitled to be farmers is insane.
You’d think the land farmers have would be swallowed up by the earth if anyone but them farms it.
Rare_Walk_4845 on
From sneakers, to flipflops, Britain’s never cobbled less of their own shoes!
Yes, because industrial products can be produced cheaper elsewhere, economics of scale rely on leveraging countries with lower standards of living and generous exchange rates.
NeonFaced on
I think people should be encouraged more to grow their own food again in their gardens and allotments, it was so common until recently.
YesAmAThrowaway on
If only there was a nearby trade bloc with easy barrier free access to foodstuffs that has great health and quality regulation…
brntuk on
I would be curious to know how much food we produce now, and how much we could produce in the future with up to date techniques.
I was reading about food production during the Second World War and apparently even with every bit of land turned over to food production it could only feed the country for 48 days of the year, and at absolute maximum 60 days. (I appreciate there are variables – population size, types of food etc.) Is the country able to fully feed itself even a basic diet?
TheBBP on
And yet they still keep putting solar panels over fields instead of on top of warehouses.
BroodLord1962 on
We haven’t been self sufficient for a long time. The UK only has the capacity to produce 50% of what we need, but with climate change and Labours plans to build on green land, things are only going to get worse
omgu8mynewt on
So we have an obesity problem and a food production deficit problem at the same time?
Cabrakan on
This is a good thing?
Why are people so obsessed with FACTORIES, with FARMS, with RAW MATERIALS
we’re first worl country, we don’t need to be farming and making widgets and gizmos, we make CARS, we make MEDICINE, we are a final stage assembly nation and we make big money, we won’t by being a feudal society competing with the likes of ukraine and latvia for the grains and dried veges
SufficientBox7169 on
Get rid of the fields of barley for making whiskey. Grow some actual food
Torco2 on
Eh?
They talking percentages or overall tonnages?
Because if it’s the former, then the fact the population has shot up and working farms haven’t. Would account for most of the shortfall.
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Mash ’em together and you get Chictatoes.
Do a deal with the yanks, they’ll get the best of both worlds. Protein and carbs in the same animatable.
Chictatoes! Wash, mash, watch, scotch! Perfick.
it’s almost like farms are being bought to avoid tax lmao
The population increases and every year more farmland is loss to a range of activities when it needs to be protected, especially the high quality arable land.
I guess British farms losing subsides post Brexit hasn’t helped either?
I blame farming subsidies. We give farmers a million and one benefits that makes farming the UK totally uncompetitive. New Zealand has some of the best agriculture in the world and they only got it after they stopped subsiding farmers and let free market competition actually take hold. And yes, that includes inheritance tax on farmers.
Yet we still do not have plan in place to improve this, especially in the face of overwhelming climate change threatening food supplies worldwide.
Does that include pre-WW1 when we were importing 60% of our food supply?
Have we considered not using so much of our arable land to just feed animals.
Nothing to worry about. Keep importing 1 million people a year, paving over greenbelts and farms.
Who needs food security when the world is so stable and there’s no risk of shocks to the global food supply. Oh wait…
This article is slightly misleading, it states-
>the amount of food we consume that is grown in this country — fell from a peak of 78 per cent back in 1984 to 62 per cent in 2023, the most recent year for which we have data.
In fact domestic food production levels have been stable for around 20 years now-
[https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/8963/production/_130717153_optimised-uk_food_supply-nc.png.webp](https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/8963/production/_130717153_optimised-uk_food_supply-nc.png.webp)
78% was indeed the peak, but that had risen from around to 30-35% in the 1930s’. Domestic food production is higher now than it has been through much of recent history.
[https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1939register/britain-food-1930s](https://www.findmypast.co.uk/1939register/britain-food-1930s)
Northern Europe and North East Asia has a pretty large comparative & absolute disadvantage in agriculture compared to say the US or Canada.
Farmland is under attack at the moment because the cost of growing the countries food has never been higher but farmers can not pass this cost onto consumers because of government and supermarkets.
It’s no surprise farms are being sold in record numbers when the price people will pay for solar/housing and rewilding land is more attractive than keeping the land in hand and using it to produce food.
We were renting an 8 acre field for 28 years, the owner died last year and the new owner wants to sell it, arable land in my area used to sell for £12,000/acre, now after inflation and government inheritance tax rises it will be more like £16,000/acre minimum and could even sell for up to £30,000/acre.
This rise isn’t because of farmers having money to spend on buying more land, it is all investment companies and people who have made money in other industries in the city that are prepared to buy it at any cost!
Not just farms too. Britain’s can literally grow their own food and I don’t understand why more us don’t
A couple of buckets of soil in your garden and you’ll have a years worth of potatoes
You can turn a couple of bulbs of garlic from the supermarket into a years supply
Few little effort, save money and its very rewarding to pull your own food out the ground
Is it called “growing” chickens? Because I’ve never heard it said that way before.
It’s a serious question… pretend that I’m stupid.
We’re a tiny island how are we gonna grow enough food to meet the demand lol
I’m not sure that’s true! However, if you was to talk about scalability due to massive influx of people the UK has taken in the last decade. Then I’d suggest it’s not sustainable. However, many countries over the thousands of years have taken in refugees, settlers, or whatever terminology, years before a long fight. These places become their lands, become their worth, become themselves and their family. Our generations blood is spilled in the hope of a better future. Whether that be today or a hundred years from now. Don’t be C U Next Tuesdays. People are people and want a better life wherever they are.
we know. its cheaper to buy food in, than produce our own. if wwiii comes we are fked because we have lost the ability to ‘dig for britain’ at home.
Well ya because their is no money in it, doing anything to improve it is difficult (so you can permitted development one barn every decade aye but what if you want to build a proper commercial farm and need 10? Fuck you planning will say no), our technology is old, we don’t have shit like irrigation despite the weather being inconsistent (drought atm so nothing is growing), etc, etc.
Coincidentally I’ve personally never grown more of my own food, whether that’s an age thing or just a general disappointment in the state of things…. probably both.
We have some of the highest food prices in the world, if you can’t make money as a farmer in the UK just do something else.
This idea that farmers should always make money (subsidised by the state when they don’t) and their entire lineage is entitled to be farmers is insane.
You’d think the land farmers have would be swallowed up by the earth if anyone but them farms it.
From sneakers, to flipflops, Britain’s never cobbled less of their own shoes!
Yes, because industrial products can be produced cheaper elsewhere, economics of scale rely on leveraging countries with lower standards of living and generous exchange rates.
I think people should be encouraged more to grow their own food again in their gardens and allotments, it was so common until recently.
If only there was a nearby trade bloc with easy barrier free access to foodstuffs that has great health and quality regulation…
I would be curious to know how much food we produce now, and how much we could produce in the future with up to date techniques.
I was reading about food production during the Second World War and apparently even with every bit of land turned over to food production it could only feed the country for 48 days of the year, and at absolute maximum 60 days. (I appreciate there are variables – population size, types of food etc.) Is the country able to fully feed itself even a basic diet?
And yet they still keep putting solar panels over fields instead of on top of warehouses.
We haven’t been self sufficient for a long time. The UK only has the capacity to produce 50% of what we need, but with climate change and Labours plans to build on green land, things are only going to get worse
So we have an obesity problem and a food production deficit problem at the same time?
This is a good thing?
Why are people so obsessed with FACTORIES, with FARMS, with RAW MATERIALS
we’re first worl country, we don’t need to be farming and making widgets and gizmos, we make CARS, we make MEDICINE, we are a final stage assembly nation and we make big money, we won’t by being a feudal society competing with the likes of ukraine and latvia for the grains and dried veges
Get rid of the fields of barley for making whiskey. Grow some actual food
Eh?
They talking percentages or overall tonnages?
Because if it’s the former, then the fact the population has shot up and working farms haven’t. Would account for most of the shortfall.